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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Events => Topic started by: anarchic_teapot on June 16, 2002, 01:20:52 AM
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There will be a demonstration by Eyetech's Alan Redhouse of the AmigaOne G3-SE on Sunday 23rd June at the great summer Amigafest Amigabastringue.
This is a developer board, exactly the same as the boards that will be sold with AOS4.0
Alan also has a surprise in store. You'll have to come to the meet for details, but this is definitely a 'be there or be square' occasion.
See this site (http://perso.club-internet.fr/locotoso/amigamania/info.html) (in French) for further details and instructions on how to get to the party.
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I wonder what this time? has anyone received theyre developer boards yet? im realy starting to lose all faith in these people for my last time.
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4play wrote:
has anyone received theyre developer boards yet?
Yes.
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Whell if we dont count Hyperion or any other affiliated people?.
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Why always in France? Damn it that's too far away...
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4play wrote:
Whell if we dont count Hyperion or any other affiliated people?.
Still yes :-D
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Hmm prove it :-).
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"I find your lack of faith disturbing"
Hey, if you don't really care. Then don't worry about it. Just go on your merry way and do whatever makes you happy. Don't concern yourself so much with what may or will happen and only take interest in what has or did happen.
We'll know in a week. Until then, not much to talk about. Probably, just a look it's real, it works.
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"I find your lack of faith disturbing"
Oi! That's my joke! Gizzit back.
Signed,
Darth Teapot
Anyway, Mr 4play, who said Alan Redhouse was taking the mobo away afterwards? It gets handed over to the person who ordered it. Who will be at the meet. Nyah
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yes.
Are you even half-heartedly suggesting that more than 200 developer boards have gone out and no one has openly admitted to receiving them, let alone creating tutorials on building a dev system.
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Are you even half-heartedly suggesting that more than 200 developer boards have gone out and no one has openly admitted to receiving them, let alone creating tutorials on building a dev system.
Over 200? That's probably high. Develper boards have shipped though.
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Do we have a reliable source on the number of boards sold?
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I think demostrations such as these are becoming un neccessary. Amiga computers un that thrilling as they used to be. Now they use standard parts that everyone is well aware of (or will be) and well aware of what they can do. So while this is the new Amiga, every other amiga will be fairly similar so i would think Amiga showcasing will start to die in the near future.
That is of course when their not showing AmigaOS. This i believe would be the only reason they would show case the Amiga computers in the future. The AmigaOS will be new with ever revision and be improved by something. The hardware wont need to be showcased by Amiga companies, they'll prolly be showcased at the manufactorers own hardware shows.
I hope they could run a beta of AmigaOS4 or even Alpha :) - But thats right, AmigaOS for Blizzard is com'n out first (or was that cyberstorm?) so i doubt it would be able to.
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Wayne wrote:
yes.
Are you even half-heartedly suggesting that more than 200 developer boards have gone out and no one has openly admitted to receiving them, let alone creating tutorials on building a dev system.
That's a hell of a lot to read into one little word.
Précision: Yes, there are developer boards out there.
Yes, no-one has openly admitted to receiving them - except Computer City. They don't want to be harassed by email (or any other medium).
No, I'm not saying how many, either ordered or delivered.
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Hmm i bet there is not more then perhaps 50? boards out there! and since NO ONE (i dont count computer city) has admitted to receiving them i guess no end users have received any! and then its back to me having doubts about the whole thing again.
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I'm sure you can find contact information to eyetech on their website. They know all about this issue ;o)
/Björn
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Hehe why waste my time? ive already spoken to the 3 last amiga "shops" in norway they all tried several times to order AmigaOnes from Eyetech! and didnt even get any reply back so im not getting my hopes up for this thing.
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I see ;o)
/Björn
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Quite frankly, the only surprise i want is OS4.0 beta running on a dev board. All the rest isn't important.
I've got the impression that they are dev boards out there as it seems some ppl have been really silent the last weeks (like Ole-gil). Dunno what the secrecy is good for though? :-?
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Quite frankly, the only surprise i want is OS4.0 beta running on a dev board. All the rest isn't important.
I don't think you'll get to see that in Toulouse. I'm not sure whether the AOS4 kernel is ready yet - though I suspect not - and unless everything has also been ported to PPC and the new kernel, you'd need the 68k emulation in place, whcih would be a problem because Petunia is unlikely to be anywhere near a state of completion to perform that role.
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I don't think you'll get to see that in Toulouse.
I doubt it to, however it is a nice dream:-)
Petunia is unlikely to be anywhere near a state of completion to perform that role.
No? I thought Petunia(I hate that name) was pretty complete.
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No? I thought Petunia(I hate that name) was pretty complete.
To reply, I'd first have to point you to The Petunia benchmark thread on ANN (http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1021365638&category=news&start=1&43). Read comments 17, 20 and 25 from Bernd Meyer, and the reply in comment 38 from Álmos Rajnai.
Based on his own previous experience, Mr. Meyer privately thinks it unlikely that Petunia will be fully functional before the end of this year at the earliest, and while neither he or I know exactly how Petunia is progressing, I'm tempted to trust in his experience and assume that he won't be far wrong. (Notice that this is his private opinion, and should not be used to start another FUD flamefest,)
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Well, it is hardly a "private opinion" if he is posting it on a public message board.
Fact is, the software appears to be running integer-only binaries reasonably fine right now. FPU emulation can be safely missed out as well as most Amiga software was available with both FPU and non-FPU versions. That functionality can come with an OS update like 4.2. As long as the JIT emulator gets a majority of 68k OS-compliant software to run, it will suffice for the initial release.
I don't know when OS4 will be available, it appears to be at least around August as far as I can see. Since that thread there will have been a couple more months to get Petunia integrated into OS4 and solving any remaining problems not related to the dual-CPU architecture of the test boards.
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Hattig wrote:Well, it is hardly a "private opinion" if he is posting it on a public message board.
Ah the wonders of the English language. Bill H meant Bernd Meyer was posting his personal opinion as a private individual.
As long as the JIT emulator gets a majority of 68k OS-compliant software to run, it will suffice for the initial release.
I just hope we don't get something too buggy at the outset and then wait ages for a patch or update.
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Ah the wonders of the English language. Bill H meant Bernd Meyer was posting his personal opinion as a private individual.
Slight correction: I was posting Bernd Meyer's personal opinion, so if anyone is to be flamed for it, it's me.
For me, the fact that this was his personal opinion mentioned in private e-mailand not posted to the Net, only serves to strengthen my belief that it is a honest assessment, and not a politically motivated one.
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Well, it is hardly a "private opinion" if he is posting it on a public message board.
He isn't. See my reply to Rose.
Fact is, the software appears to be running integer-only binaries reasonably fine right now.
It runs some integer only binaries now, binaries which have a certain type of code. That's what the thread on ANN was about, and why I posted those references.
As long as the JIT emulator gets a majority of 68k OS-compliant software to run, it will suffice for the initial release.
Absolutely, but I don't believe it has reached that stage yet, nor does Mr. Meyer. You are free to believe whatever you want, of course.
I don't know when OS4 will be available, it appears to be at least around August as far as I can see.
If you think you will get AOS4 in August, be my guest. In my view, even if AOS4 was fully functional now, a proper OS beta-testing cycle would mean an autumn release at best. Since I don't believe that the kernel is finished yet, I suspect AOS4 will take even longer to be released, not even counting any Petunia induced delays. And that is my personal opinion, of course. ;-)
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According to our Finnish dealer, AmigaOne developer boards heading here have been delayed. A notice of "a few weeks of delay" was posted on June 10th. This would mean a delay of over one month of the promised April-May shipping.
But I'm glad some boards our out there. I'd be happy to hear why the delay, though. My question on the official AmigaOne mailing list seemed to go unanswered.
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I do wonder what the 'surprise' is?
I'm sure it's not a Beta OS 4 so perhaps..
a) A G4, socketed board prototype?
b) A price reduction on the A1G3-SE
Cheers,
J
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cause those people got a dev-board along with an early alpha AOS4, that's why they are so silent, no wonder, i'll be silent aswell!!