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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Software News => Topic started by: redrumloa on May 28, 2002, 08:06:12 PM
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Screenshots of the HDToolbox replacement is online! :-o
http://os.amiga.com/os4/OS4HDPrep.php
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Looking good! :-)
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WOW!!
That's a lot of options!
Watch out Partition Magic :-P
Cheers and Beers,
Graham C
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It looks realy good :-D
I realy look forward to see/feel the end product 8-)
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Now Thats what I call updated
I can't WAIIIIIT for OS4 to be finished :-) :-)
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i can't wait anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I like HDTB preview but the GUI window are old.... Why don't take the screenshot from an amigaOS4 with new GUI? So if you don't see gui preview you can taste anyway the new look of the OS.
:-)
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WOW!! That's a lot of options!
No wonder they needed help with writing a new manual .
Its looking good !! :-)
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Looks nothing short of fantastic! That's gotta be the most useable and complete GUI FS/disk config tool I've seen included with any OS. Thanks Joanne Dow et al!
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Gimmie!!!
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WOW!!
That's a lot of options!
Watch out Partition Magic
Cheers and Beers,
I agree, and the best thing about this (i assume) its included in the default install right? Or at least comes on the OS4 disks. Which i think is a great thing, because normaly the only thing you can find for windows is fsk and the same goes for anytype of free OS, linux, bsd etc...
This not only seems like a partition tool, but a HDD diagnostic and tuning program. Very nice!!! Im impressed, the gadgets seem to be comeing along nicely too...
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That's more features than I'll ever need... and
that is a good thing! It's very nice to see some
serious thought and upgrading going into out new
OS. Wish they had put something else than jpg:s
on the site though. On my screen the pictures are
rather blurry. Detracts from the enjoyment somewhat :-)
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SlimJim
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Looks good: support for non-Amiga filesystems (well, at least one), extra tools... Very nice.
Now all we need is a way to resize/move/merge partitions without losing data, à la Partition Magic, and we're riding high.
Good work, lads.
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anarchic_teapot wrote:
Now all we need is a way to resize/move/merge partitions without losing data, à la Partition Magic, and we're riding high.
Yup, and a rescue/defrag utility.
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>Yup, and a rescue/defrag utility.
Actually Seehund, there will be a very comprehensive Salvage and Recovery suite included with OS 4 by Jörg Ströhmayer.
(I believe that was part of the Executive update)
It will do anything you would care to think of.
The HDToolbox replacement is by Andrea Vallinotto.
Since the feature-set of OS 4 is now frozen, I will release the final feature-set in the next few days.
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Actually Seehund, there will be a very comprehensive Salvage and Recovery suite included with OS 4 by Jörg Ströhmayer.
Excelent!
Since the feature-set of OS 4 is now frozen, I will release the final feature-set in the next few days.
I'm on the edge of my seat (http://www.plauder-smilies.de/happy/bigok.gif)
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>Since the feature-set of OS 4 is now frozen, I will release the final feature-set in the next few days.
WOW, if this wasn't may, I would think it was my birthday :-o
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And the mOS ppl where saying that OS4.0 wouldnt have ANY new features..... :-D
:-P
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> And the mOS ppl where saying that OS4.0 wouldnt have ANY new features.....
Yes, what do they know :roll:
They got all Morphed (Brainwashed), may the force bring them back :-D
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And the mOS ppl where saying that OS4.0 wouldnt have ANY new features.....
SSSHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! You'll wake up Kronos!! ;-)
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Well, that looks very professional.
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Actually Seehund, there will be a very comprehensive Salvage and Recovery suite included with OS 4 by Jörg Ströhmayer.
Excellent! (BTW, isn't it Strohmayer? ;))
Since the feature-set of OS 4 is now frozen, I will release the final feature-set in the next few days.
Goodie. Hope the release version will be frozen as well in a not too distant future...
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You are right: it is Strohmayer.
Typo.
His recovery and salvage tools are already finished and there is support for them in the new HDToolbox replacement which is based on a client/server model so other coders can use the functionality from their programs.
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SSSHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! You'll wake up Kronos!!
No.
Yoooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuu did :-P
O.k since you brought me in here, I have to add my 2 cents.
Hmmm screenshoots ............... again :-(
But when will they show (by a beta or public demonstration)
the important part of any OS ?
When will we see Amiga-apps on-top of ExecSG without the
need for an 68k (except booting), or when will we see it for the
first time on the A1 ?
Question, question so many questions, and no answers :-x
Back to the screenshots:
Looks o.k. (but that isn't what counts), maybe usefull, but I
never had any problems surviving on HDToolBox and fdisk(linux)
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@HyperionMP
Actually Seehund, there will be a very comprehensive Salvage and Recovery suite included with OS 4 by Jörg Ströhmayer.
How about a Defrag utility ???
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Yoooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuu did
OOPS!
Hmmm screenshoots ............... again
Yes and they are sweeeet!
When will we see Amiga-apps on-top of ExecSG without the need for an 68k (except booting),
"When it's ready" I'm sure
Looks o.k. (but that isn't what counts), maybe usefull, but I never had any problems surviving on HDToolBox and fdisk(linux)
Come on now Kronos, be honest ;-) You were drooling buckets :-D
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Come on now Kronos, be honest You were drooling buckets
Why should I ?
When I get a new HD I set it up (and actually I can do it faster in
fdisk then in HDToolBox), add some partitions and I'm done.
Sure this thingy looks like it lets you toy around with your HD
in all sensible (or stupid :-o ) way you want but...
Eh wait a minute .... "toy around"
Mmm an OS that lets you toy around...
Toy OS.... eh
T O S 4 !!!! :-P
gggggggggrrrrrrrr
argh sh** I signed that damned thing about flaming and
trolling....
Why oh why was I so foolish :-x :-x
I think I'll better stop here ;-)
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Lots of options and stuff but I sure hope they do something about ReAction in OS4. It's just awful-looking!
Something like GadTools with MCP's GadToolsPatch would be much nicer.
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T O S 4
Too late there is already a TOS, see Atari :-P
One of these days you'll come back from the dark side. :-D
(http://www.plauder-smilies.de/poke2.gif)
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Too late there is already a TOS, see Atari
And why do you think I used a "T" this time ?
I could have come around with a different letter, but somehow
I thought, it has to be that "T".........
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>His recovery and salvage tools are already finished >and there is support for them in the new HDToolbox >replacement which is based on a client/server >model so other coders can use the functionality >from their programs.
But are you going to be able to change size of partitions without loosing data?
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T O S 4 !!!!
What ?? Tramiel Operating System ?? Wow.... :-o
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http://flyingmice.com/squid/moobunny/amiga/messages/73016.shtml (http://flyingmice.com/squid/moobunny/amiga/messages/73016.shtml)
/me wonders why not on his own site....
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Same here Kronos. And it was rather negative too. But that is a personal opinion and there is nothing wrong with that. (I mean his posting)
Coder
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@Kronos
Good lord is that negative! (http://www.plauder-smilies.de/eek7.gif)
Yes I think this HDToolBox is pretty neat and much nicer than fdisk any day.
Wayne and I see things entirely different! It's like my view of the 'Amiga' world is seen as a mirror image(reversed that is) of what Wayne see's. That's ok though, to each his own.
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me wonders why not on his own site....
You guys sure it is from Wayne ? I mean, everybody can post;
Wayne Hunt, wayne@amiga.org
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You guys sure it is from Wayne ? I mean, everybody can post;
It probably is. This sounds like Wayne's viewpoint as of recently (http://www.plauder-smilies.de/sad/schmoll2.gif)
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This sounds like Wayne's viewpoint as of recently
I guess I don't blame Wayne for being a little negative.. It's not like things have been easy for him website wise, sometimes I wonder why he still bothers with it (Must cost a small fortune) (Eh, Wayne, no, please don't stop ! ) getting part of the blame (IIRC Wayne was blamed for his own site being hacked/destroyed)..
Hope his personal problems are eh.. getting better..
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Excuse me??
Thats a good looking? am I the only one who thinks that Amiga should license some fonts? at least according to the screenshots - the fonts are nothing short of BUTT UGLY!..
And what about some more color usage? man, the days where you had a pallette of 32 colors out of 4096 are way behind us, why aren't they using more colors?
I'm very pleased that Amiga OS 4 is being written and we finally see some screenshots (dare I say that I wish that some more tech info would be available please?), but unfortunately the GUI simply sucks..
Sorry for the critisism..
Hetz (HeUnique) :-o
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Looking good so far ... :-D
I've missed a few things on the Amiga scene the last four days because my HP PC hung, clobbering a KERNEL~~.DLL file ... :-x
Cheers
redfox
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reply to heunique:
It was just a demo of the features, not the show its looks... You can change the colors, fonts to whatever you like, this was just using the standard WB fonts + colors....
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Now all we need is a way to resize/move/merge partitions without losing data, à la Partition Magic
Or changing filesystems without losing data :-? ?
Actually, i wouldnt trust the data after that (resizing/merging), I'd rather make a backup and do a complete format, even one lost .icon file would be annoying. Especially if it had a lot of custom settings.
This looks exactly like what i want from a good ui :-) . More options than i know what it is ( but going to try changing anyway :-)) and none of that special 'waste_of_space' buttons /wizards in partition magic on Ms teletubbie eXPerience.
In the partitioning window i see sfs, pfs and dos (..?) filesystem :-)
From the other screens i see ofs/ffs/dc-ffs too. wasn't there supposed to be a new ffs or is that sfs?
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I like it!
I really miss being able to mess with HD's in the GUI.
I think Amiga is doing the right thing. showing future functionality. I don't really give a rats south end what it looks like now. The issue is it's on the way. OS4 is a go between OS. With OS5 they can make all the fancy FOO FOO stuff.
By the way I have been sending posts to the folks that run winimages ( Imagemaster RT ) Letting them now the Amiga is still on the way. http://www.crystalpixels.com/cgi-bin/general/viewmsgs.pl?THREAD=NO
The more of us doing this will help get some GREAT software for the new Amiga.
Spiffy
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
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"We don't do Mac software for that very reason - the market has grown too small. " and you want AmigaOS software from them when they wont even support Mac wich is much bigger then Amiga will be in a long time if ever.
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But when will they show (by a beta or public demonstration) the important part of any OS ?
When will we see Amiga-apps on-top of ExecSG without the need for an 68k (except booting), or when will we see it for the first time on the A1 ?
Kronos, i think your expecting far too much... Truly the best part about AmigaOS4 is that it actualy exists and is improving.
The second best part about AmigaOS4 is that its running on new hardware - or at least WILL run on new hardware when its done.
Yes, theres a third best thing, and that is, its just the start, its pathing the way for future versions of AmigaOS. From the very start of this project, we were told now to expect to much, already my expectations have been blown. Maybe their too low?
Its not important if AmigaOS4 does not capture the sigh of consumers out side of our niche market, not doubt thats what OS5 aims to do. OS4 is to only satisfy us, not make the hords of linux geeks, MOS geeks or anyother type of geeks drop their jaws in one large gasp... Its only to modernise the OS - which means, they're only trying to please the current community.
Surly OS4 will bring back some people who disearted the Amiga a while ago, but its only to help the current Amiga market keep interested and realise that our OS is getting better, slowly.
It wont happen over night, but it will happen :-D
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I dont think waynes personal (or public :)) problems are effecting his judgment when it comes to AmigaOS. I can see where he is coming from, and his problem is that he may be expecting too much, or he is expecting so little and he is prolly getting it.
The fact is, he doesnt find any reason to get too excited about this, and when you think about it, why would we?
I think its pretty cool there is something like this on the Amiga. I know windows doesnt distribute on of these by default, unless you include fsk. But thats a pretty stupid program and its hard to operate for beginers.
This HDPrep thing is looking a bit like Partition Magic which is a fantastic program, and if this one is just as easy to use, it'll be a great tool.
But again, wayne just is comparing AmigaOS to other OSes such as Windows and Mac, and when you do that, your bound to think about what exactly is everyone getting excited over...
I dont blame people for being overly excited, even if they are only getting some modern everyday features. They are stillfeatures they havnt had before.
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What's happening to evrything EyeAm has posted??? :-(
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I think its pretty cool there is something like this on the Amiga. I know windows doesnt distribute on of these by default, unless you include fsk. But thats a pretty stupid program and its hard to operate for beginers.
In "Windows XP Pro" -> Control Panel -> Administrative Tools -> Computer Management -> Storage -> Disk Management. One can find Window’s equivalent of HDTool Box((it may not be as good) style utility.
You can fine it as "%SystemRoot%\system32\compmgmt.msc".
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What is worth being excited about is that Amiga functionality
is moving forward at last - this is just one illustration.
Rather than being stuck in the dark ages of 1992.
I dont see anyone creaming their pants about the actual application in
fact its nice to give credit where credit is due.
The Amiga market is littered with hardened cynics, extremists
and total knob-ends and I dont want to be counted as one of them
because I dont see the Amiga market as something to get
religous about - just to enjoy if and when it progresses.
If you cant handle it grow thicker skin. ;-)
Dave.
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Hi hnl_dk,
Go to this (http://amiga.org/forums/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1117&forum=1)
Coder
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Hi Coder ;o)
Thanks for the link ;o)
I hope it's just a phase :-?
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About the look of the new GUI, what does it matter in a tool like this?
I'd like to have the option of still using the old GUI for other things too, and not waste resources. OS3.1 GUI is fine for me:) Good looking GUI is cool but, option is more important. A set of themes (hate that word, maybe it's from where it comes) then, is all needed to satisfy all. Hmm me wants 3.1 theme to not waste resources if I want to.
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[color=0000FF]About the look of the new GUI, what does it matter in a tool like this? [/color]
There's a big difference between a fancy GUI and a good-looking GUI.
Nothing's wrong with the 3.1 GUI, even the default Commodore look of GadTools can be configured pretty nicely just with the use of colours.
But the problem is that those who see these screenshots, and those who see screenshots of ReAction in general will think "Wow, AmigaOS sure has one ugly interface".
Look at the difference between this grab:
http://www.sasg.com/mwb/gallery/stuntzi.gif
and this grab:
http://www.amiga.com/3.9/aos39_screen_1.jpg
I think Screen #1 looks way better than Screen #2 -- and #1 is from 1995! It's bloody AGA for crying out loud!
The scrollbars and gadgets in screenshot #2 are strangely disproportioned, the look of the scrollbar knobs have the same frame as the common button gadgets (which to my knowledge can't be altered in ReAction - one frame look for everything).
Even a patched GadTools looks better than Screenshot #2! So all I'm saying is: I hope they make ReAction just a tad better-looking.
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There's a big difference between a fancy GUI and a good-looking GUI.
I have to agree. A customiseable interface may allow you to change the colours, fonts etc but the underlying STRUCTURE of the UI remains the same, in this case very cramped and intimidating.
In the abscence of freeform skinning (won't be yet, and who's gonna bother skinning an HD tool anyway?) that leaves us with an unintuitive piece of software.
However it isn't done yet, so I'll reserve proper judgement until I've actually had a go.
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I should point out that the screenshots of the HDToolbox replacement don't make use of the new OS 4.0 GUI (which would be an automatic process anyway) but of 3.9 and Reaction.
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I should point out that the screenshots of the HDToolbox replacement don't make use of the new OS 4.0 GUI (which would be an automatic process anyway) but of 3.9 and Reaction.
Hi Ben,
I think we all know :-D
But it's great to here we where right 8-)
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Well, you'd think people would all understand.
If I read some of the negative BS that Wayne Hunt has been posting on Moo Bunny....
Let's set the record straight here once again:
1. 30 developers work on OS 4, EACH IN HIS RESPECTIVE FIELD OF EXPERTISE.
This means that work on a HDToolbox replacement doesn't hold up work on the kernel, 68K emulation, 2D drivers, salvage and recovery tools, TCP/IP stack, device drivers etc.
2. Only very few aspectsof OS 4 lend themselves to visualisation
How do you propose we make screenshots of a kernel, a 2D driver, a filesystem, salvage and recovery tools, devices, a USB stack etc.?
3. The functionality of HDToolbox was too limited and it was in fact buggy in some places because it could not deal with certain types of controllers and drives.
All of this constitues sufficient justification for a replacement, especially if you consider the fact that H&P did not fact give us access to the HD Toolbox source-code they did for 3.5.
So snap out of it Wayne.