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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: GadgetMaster on April 15, 2002, 11:18:32 PM
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The Amiga scene is really heating up now as competing firms get ready to roll out new Hardware / OS software. I just hope that all disputes are resolved amicably. The following statement from Thendic (http://www.thendic-france.com/eclipsis/eclipsis.htm) doesn’t seem to help matters. It would be better if all parties discussed their differences in private as opposed to washing their dirty laundry in public.
[color=336699]Update: the link above has been removed by Thendic. Hopefully they got the point?[/color][/I]
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Been thinking the same myself the whole situation makes me sick! im ashamed to show my friends Amiga news pages anymore cause there is always some lame threah were the companyes and some individuals bicker amongs themself im so sick of this situation i could tear my hair off.
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As much as this can be interpreted as petty, I agree that there needs to be some form of unity within the market right now, but I think we have to acknowledge the key phrase:
"We would like very much to cooperate with Amiga Inc. "
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just start some fights with the anti / boycott stuff crew , its great fun lol
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Vaporware is cheap. Sure, they can issue tantalizing press releases telling how wonderful their product is, how they are going to make your computing experience so wonderful, and how the other guys have it all so wrong. Fine, but until you can click on it and have it show up at your door, they are blowing so much hot air.
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Erm...Is this a proffesional company??
I mean ..even though they're French doesn't mean they can't hire someone to translate it to proper English, does it?
And it also doesn't give them much points just blurting all this stuff out instead of talking to A Inc.
This reeks of IWin (remember that :-D)
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This is what I don't get...
Why on earth would Amiga Inc. be against selling more copies of it's product, AmigaOS 4? If they aren't against this, you could have fooled me!
If I wanted to sell as many copies of AmigaOS 4 as possible I would try to remove as many barriers to using AmigaOS as possible. Having several means for running AmigaOS would make the potential market wider and would also create competition among hardware developers, lowering the cost of adopting AmigaOS.
It seems clear to me that Amiga Inc's problem with bplan et al was not anything they claim it is, but rather the threat that the MorphOS+AmigaOS combo would become superior to AmigaOS on other platforms. This begs the question: so what would be so bad about that?!
Amiga Inc. has some serious problems in the area of testicular fortitude. They are afraid that their so-envisioned contribution to the market is less valuable than bplan's and thus want to commit hara-kari to save face. Instead of choosing to provide better solutions for their potential customers they have decided to 'protect their interests' by restricting the market for their product. Do they really plan to make more money from higher prices in this endeavor? Whatever their screwy plan is I have a feeling it's going to fail, and they will try to drag Amigans down with them.
Lots of expensive software is sold with pirate protections. They use encrypted licenses, polynomial timed licenses, hardware dongles, etc. None of these are any less difficult to bypass than what eyetech has done. What this is *really* about is trying to squash MorphOS, despite how much more useful it could potentially make AmigaOS.
Amiga Inc, you suck
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I don't know if I maight have missed something, but I didn't think pure AmigaOS4 applications would run on 3.9 and therefore not on MorphOS either, if this is the case, then why are these discussions arising all the time?....
There is only one true path to follow, and that is the AmigaOS4 road!
/Mattias
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:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
What a #?*!#? are they talking???
Sounds like relatives of Coyote-Flux (in the news some days ago, with their Amiga-based supersomputer) :-D :-D
PEGASOS IS THE BEST HARDWARE!!!! (LOL) And MorphOS THE BEST OS!!!! (LOL) (again) And DCE THE GREATEST HARDWAREMANUFACTURER!!!! (LOL) (again and again)
We have proved, that there are MANY silly people around the world.
I don't want to be part of them! :-P
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"Flame On!" - The Human Torch
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Let's see now, you invent a reason to hate them. Nice.
/Björn
"This is what I don't get...
Why on earth would Amiga Inc. be against selling more copies of it's product, AmigaOS 4? If they aren't against this, you could have fooled me!
If I wanted to sell as many copies of AmigaOS 4 as possible I would try to remove as many barriers to using AmigaOS as possible. Having several means for running AmigaOS would make the potential market wider and would also create competition among hardware developers, lowering the cost of adopting AmigaOS.
It seems clear to me that Amiga Inc's problem with bplan et al was not anything they claim it is, but rather the threat that the MorphOS+AmigaOS combo would become superior to AmigaOS on other platforms. This begs the question: so what would be so bad about that?!
Amiga Inc. has some serious problems in the area of testicular fortitude. They are afraid that their so-envisioned contribution to the market is less valuable than bplan's and thus want to commit hara-kari to save face. Instead of choosing to provide better solutions for their potential customers they have decided to 'protect their interests' by restricting the market for their product. Do they really plan to make more money from higher prices in this endeavor? Whatever their screwy plan is I have a feeling it's going to fail, and they will try to drag Amigans down with them.
Lots of expensive software is sold with pirate protections. They use encrypted licenses, polynomial timed licenses, hardware dongles, etc. None of these are any less difficult to bypass than what eyetech has done. What this is *really* about is trying to squash MorphOS, despite how much more useful it could potentially make AmigaOS.
Amiga Inc, you suck"
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The news remind me of old UNIX war between System V and BSD. Various UNIX flavor battle each other, therefore MS can focus their marketing and won the battle on desktop market!
I remember AT&T statement: "UNIX is not for PC! You must buy large computers, ie NCR". PC market is insignificant :)
HP-UX is an old enemy of DIGITAL UNIX / OSF.
It is strange that with HP-COMPAQ (and DIGITAL) merger, they become part of a single company. :)
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As much as this can be interpreted as petty, I agree that there needs to be some form of unity within the market right now, but I think we have to acknowledge the key phrase:
"We would like very much to cooperate with Amiga Inc. "
Yeah, that's an odd statement. It's good to see, but what is the problem that they cannot cooperate? Let's hope that both sides get things worked out and the Pegasos is fully "Amiga approved" by the time OS4 hits the consumer shelves.
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It's a real shame that they have to battle it out in public. Instead of concentrating and resolving the issue, they have to let the public know they are just darn kids who won't budge and bicker about everything. Tsk tsk tsk. Heck, I've seen those comments posted on ANN--including Petro and Bill's. And beside that, MorphOS sucks. Sorry. I'm still sticking with AmigaOS no matter what! :-)
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> "We would very much like to cooperate with
> Amiga Inc"
Sorry, but Amiga Inc have terms for getting AmigaOS4 running on hardware legally, and they are clearly available and everyone knows what they are: hardware ROM to prevent piracy, and OS comes with the motherboard. How do they expect to cooperate with Amiga Inc if their employees are posting confidential business emails all over the internet?
It all strikes me that one side (Bill Buck and Co.) are being very vocal and unprofessional, whilst the other side are keeping out of it except to refute some of the more spurious claims that have been made.
Lets just say that at least one side appears to be getting real hardware and a real new OS to the Amiga market, and the people involved are reputable (Eyetech, Hyperion). Of course, Pegasos looks nice if it ever gets shipped, and I can't comment on MorphOS, but both of these products have been promised for a long time as well. So delays hit both sides, making the attacks last year on the AmigaOne delays extremely hypocritical in my opinion.
So my last words: actions count, not words. :)
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Seems Thendic removed their page ...
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http://www.thendic-france.com/tech/US/Products/Eclipsis/eclipsis.htm (http://www.thendic-france.com/tech/US/Products/Eclipsis/eclipsis.htm)
http://www.thendic-france.com/tech/US/Products/Pegasos/pegasos.htm (http://www.thendic-france.com/tech/US/Products/Pegasos/pegasos.htm)
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Yes, they have now removed the (unprofessional !!!) Anti Amiga Inc. bickering section.
Thank you Amiga Org for making a difference!
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Let common sense prevail
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> And beside that, MorphOS sucks.
MOS sucks? Cool! Didn't know that!
How do you know? Ever tried it? Maybe
you tried a year old alpha?
You could say that the first OS4 betas suck
too, does it matter? The quality of the final product
is what matters...
> PEGASOS IS THE BEST HARDWARE!!!! (LOL)
No lol here... It's much better than the cheapware
AmigaONE.
> And MorphOS THE BEST OS!!!! (LOL) (again)
Well, we really don't know that yet.
> And DCE THE GREATEST
> HARDWAREMANUFACTURER!!!! (LOL) (again and
> again)
LOL here! :-D
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>It's much better than the cheapware
AmigaONE.
Hrrmm... The price difference is very small but the Pegasos will be slightly cheaper than the A1, AFAIK. So, what's cheapware, again? :-P
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Where's the CPU socket(s)? Removed to bring the
price down, while Pegasos which has one+Firewire
costs just a bit more...
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Samface,
Hrrmm... The price difference is very small but the Pegasos will be slightly cheaper than the A1, AFAIK. So, what's cheapware, again?
Depends on which aspects you use to define "cheap". The board Eyetech is labelling A1G3-SE was designed in Taiwan, most likely by Atum Technology Corp. (Although Alan says you're a "troll" if you ask, so there's no way even for paying customers to know for sure until you've got the board and peel off Eyetech's stickers.) Already available Taiwanese designs are cheaper than doing new in-house designs in a relatively expensive country like Germany.
The A1G3-SE doesn't have as many on-board devices and features. It's cheaper to design and manufacture.
Yet the A1G3-SE is more expensive for the end-customer to buy. One reason could be that the A1G3-SE is first sold to a middle man in the UK with the only currently existing Amiga license and then redistributed to end-customer dealers.
This is rather irrelevant anyway. There is no reason to participate in pointless hardware flamewars. There is no "Amiga". There is the Amiga OS and we ought to be able to buy that separately and install it on any hardware of our choice. Stop thinking "the A1G3-SE/Pegasos r00lz and the Pegasos/A1G3-SE suXX0rz and shouldn't be allowed to exist damnit".
We should be allowed to think "hmm, that piece of hardware is suitable for me, and lookee here it says it's Amiga OS compatible. Oh, there's noone offering a licensed bundle. Well then I'll just order it from the cheapest dealer and buy OS4 separately".
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Damn! The Anonymous message directly above this reply was me being logged out.