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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Software News => Topic started by: Kaminari on April 01, 2002, 10:45:37 AM
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Dr Greg Perry stated on the official Opus 5 mailing list:
"We are pleased to have come to an arrangement whereby Hyperion are able to continue the development of Directory Opus for OS4.0. Hyperion are an ideal company with the knowledge, expertise and enthusiasm to migrate Directory Opus to the PPC software and OS4.0."
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but it dosent say much about what will happen to it! will it be intergrated into the OS? will we have a choice NOT to use it? etc! anyone know more on this subject?
4pLaY - to bored to register yet again... :-?
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They should integrate Magellan with any new OS. And with integrate I don't mean just adding it on the cd.
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Why would anyone choose not to run Magellan? :-?
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Yeay!....I was hoping my Magellen 2 disks would work, but i`m guessing if its going to be part of the new OS, it's going to be even better!.
Way!!!
~Betajaen :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
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Why? ive tired it several times and i REALY HATE it! im in love with V4.x! and im sure im always will be! so to be able to choose it or not is an important feature for me and im sure other also! if not hyperion does something with it that makes me like it but i doubt it will happen in OS4.0 at least.
4pLaY!
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yeah.. i hated it too at first.. but after i configured it like i want, and used it for a while i couldn't live without it.. the idea with listers is really great and so on..
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[color=0000FF]Why? ive tired it several times and i REALY HATE it! im in love with V4.x![/color]
I agree. I think Magellan is kind of bloated. The Workbench UI is small and fast an this is what makes it so usable. Magellan feels too much like Windows (and I really don't like the Explorer). What I'd rather see is the kind of multi-lister windows available in NeXTStep and MacOS X.
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Hello There,
I agree.. If it wasn't for Dopus Magellin, life would be alot harder that's for sure.. One of the reasons why I still use my Amiga 4000 on a regular basis. Opus 6 on my windblows boxes is one reason that makes that OS a little more barable.. Much more powerful and intuitive to use than windblows explorer (which for some stupid reason, I have to learn to use for my Network Engineering Diploma). Oh well would be interesting to install it on one of the lab computers and show the teachers that there's an easier and better way.. :-)
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I use the words "look at the big picture" quite often, and I think we should all take a step back here and perhaps like me, we should all see this as productive (rather than the odd negative comment i have seen).
What we are seeing now, are elements of the community forming "strategic" partnerships.
In the long term, i think this is a damn good thing, I don't see there being any point with random OS's being made competing with OSx.0, DE etc, this partnership only stands to help bring balance and stability in a pretty shaky envirnoment.
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I agree. I think Magellan is kind of bloated. The Workbench UI is small and fast an this is what makes it so usable. Magellan feels too much like Windows (and I really don't like the Explorer).
I couldn't DISagree with you more! The *ONLY* thing that slowed down Magellan with it's depency on ChipRAM. With regular WB you can use WB2FAST or TweakWB etc to mostly disable the S_L_O_W ChipRAM access, but this wasn't possible on Magellan.
I ended up not buying Magellan for this one reason, I'm a speed freak. There will be no ChipRAM on the AmigaOne so it will FLY. I was always very impressed with DOPUS, especially Magellan.
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Well, thats nice. I went to Opus 6 site today, and had a look at Opus 6 for windows and Magellan for Windows...
Looks less then $#@!, i must say... I couldnt understand why it looks so, ummm.. hrmmm. i dont want to say bad things about them, but you know! didnt look all that eyecandy to me. But it did seem to have some nice features.
I would also be good to know weather Opus is going to replace workbench or what!! Infact that leads to my next question. I know what workbench is, but not technicaly.
Is workbench Intuition/Reaction and heaps of other things all grouped into one?
Or is it just a desktop that sits on top of all these other things and API's to provide the desktop feel? - i think its my second choice.
So in that case Opus would not replace Intuition and all that, just the workbench!! - its freak;n weird...
I wish they would tell us, as they just about have told us everything else.
My view on 3rd party apps is not a good one. In that, i dont believe Opus 6 should be used in AmigaOS, unless there is a choice to remove it. That is, workbench should be default and if we want something else, Opus is there for that reason.
From all this talk, im starting to feel AmigaOS is a very very modular system. Everything can be pulled out, and yanked replaced or put back in again, is this the right way to look at it?
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Well, thats nice. I went to Opus 6 site today, and had a look at Opus 6 for windows and Magellan for Windows...
Bad example, DOPUS for windows is a completely different beast. Dopus for Amiga retains the WB atmosphere but adds alot of functionality.
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>I would also be good to know weather Opus is going to replace workbench or what!!
>Infact that leads to my next question. I know what workbench is, but not technicaly.
I'm going to contradict what I posted on another thread:)It sounds as though Dopus
isn't going to be part of OS4,just that Hyperion will update Dopus so that it takes
advantage of the ppc and it is compatable with OS4.Either way(part of OS4 or not),
I'm just glad that I'll be able to still use Dopus in the future:)
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I think people are freaking out about this too much, DOpus on Amiga has always been about choice.
You could use it as a complete WB replacement, or just a file manager. I always went with the file manager option, as I wanted my system to boot faster for other things, and only use DOpus when I needed it. As long as this choice remains then all will be cool.
At the end of the day that's what we all want right, choice?
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I have to agree with 4pLaY on this one. While i would love to see Magellan updated to run on the new PPC OS (because i know it is generally well loved by a majority of the community), I'd still prefer to have the option to either A. not install it, or B. disable it's functionality on my workbench.
I tried to use Opus a few times several years ago (when i was on a big directory managment utility kick) but i could never bring myself to use it on a regular basis. DirWork 2 was always perfect for my needs in that regards, and very configurable in it's own right. Admittedly I may've never given DOpus the chance it deserved, but the initial learning curve was too steep for me to be able to justify it.
(I'm not trying to dump on DOpus here, before all you DOpus fans get your hackles raised... just trying to point out that it didn't appeal to me.)
Considering this, I hope we, as users, have the option of installing/using it or not. My preference would be for them to market it as a totally stand-alone product.
cheers - m@
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>I have to agree with 4pLaY on this one. While >i would love to see Magellan updated to run >on the new PPC OS (because i know it is >generally well loved by a majority of the >community), I'd still prefer to have the option >to either A. not install it, or B. disable it's >functionality on my workbench.
It sounds like Dopus ISNT going to be intergrated.From what I've read,Hyperion have licensed it so that they can make sure that it work with OS4 and takes advantage of the PPC.
So it looks as though there will be the option not to install it,because you'll need to buy it first:)
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Choice is always good when it comes to software. However, consider the following:
Point 1: Dopus5 is much, much, *much* more powerful than workbench or opus4: more powerful in almost every way. It makes using an Amiga a much nicer experience, whether you are a beginner or an advanced user. It is much better than the many utils used to prop up WB, such as deficons and suchlike. If you say you tried Dopus once and didn't like it, please try it again. It is my honest and heartfelt opinion that no-one in their right mind could prefer wb or d4 over dopus5, having used both for a long while. I think you just haven't given it a chance. You might be pleasantly surprised!
Point2: Dopus5 can be set up to look like and act like the workbench, or even opus4, if you so desire.
Point3: Dopus5 isn't bloated. It comes on one floppy disk (with an optional add-on disk). It also uses less RAM while in operation than wb3.9. It is a little slower, it must be said, than WB; but under a native PPC port, are you likely to notice?
Direct integration of dopus into OS4 would improve the Amiga user environment enormously. Giving the choice would probably make dopus as it is now - having too many patches into the OS just to work.
Think about it.
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I hope it is either integrated in a non-damaging way or we have the option to turn it off.
Personally I don't like it - I see some do and therefore we need the choice to satisfy both parties.
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I think both Workbench and Dopus have both good and bad points.
WB is simple and fast but closing down all those windows is a pain and the list by name feature sucks. You dont get much work done when you are constantly closing down and cleaning and snapshotting icons!
Dopus is a little better but the filetype feature is a little buggy and slow with things it dont know.
I think to implement the two will benefit all and both can learn from each other.
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Point3: Dopus5 isn't bloated. It comes on one floppy disk (with an optional add-on disk). It also uses less RAM while in operation than wb3.9. It is a little slower, it must be said, than WB; but under a native PPC port, are you likely to notice?
The only reason it is slower is because you could not disable ChipRAM access under Magellan like you could under regular WB, this won't be a problem on an AmigaOne I'm sure since there is no ChipRAM
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>The only reason it is slower is because you could not disable ChipRAM access under Magellan like
>you could under regular WB, this won't be a problem on an AmigaOne I'm sure since there is no ChipRAM
Are you sure?Use TweakWB,WBCtrl or WBAllocFast,all on Aminet.I have 1.96mb or chip ram still available after
loading Dopus.Then again,I don't use the icon mode windows much(prefer listers).
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Arrggghh!Forgot to log in before posting...AGAIN....
Regards,
ALan
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Point 1: Dopus5 is much, much, *much* more powerful than workbench or opus4: more powerful in almost every way. It makes using an Amiga a much nicer experience, whether you are a beginner or an advanced user. It is much better than the many utils used to prop up WB, such as deficons and suchlike. If you say you tried Dopus once and didn't like it, please try it again. It is my honest and heartfelt opinion that no-one in their right mind could prefer wb or d4 over dopus5, having used both for a long while. I think you just haven't given it a chance. You might be pleasantly surprised!
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I don't use DefIcons, borderless Icons, FTPMount, or anything else like that. What I _do_ use is ToolManager and MCP (and I'll have to use MCP despite of Magellan).
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Point2: Dopus5 can be set up to look like and act like the workbench, or even opus4, if you so desire.
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Why would I want an application to suck extra memory if it's only task is to emulate Workbench...?
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Point3: Dopus5 isn't bloated. It comes on one floppy disk (with an optional add-on disk). It also uses less RAM while in operation than wb3.9. It is a little slower, it must be said, than WB; but under a native PPC port, are you likely to notice?
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I mean the UI and config is bloated. I don't use WB 3.9 either, since I think that too is bloated. Besides, the ReAction gadgets are too damn ugly...
Well, anyaways, who cares? Since Magellan won't be the single UI choice in OS4, all is OK :-)
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C'mon, this is the 21st century. All of these things you mentioned as bloated or sucking memory are clockspring tight compared to modern OS's like Linux and XP. And a difference of 200KB seems rather less significant when computers are now being sold with 512MB of RAM.
If you use a plain vinilla 1993-style Amiga setup, that's completely up to you, but you are certainly missing a lot.
PS: Reaction gadgets are hardly ugly. And at least they aren't nearly as bloated or unstable as a certain other Amiga GUI system if could mention...
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Yes, but I'm kind of a minimalist. ;-)
I hate the Windows XP UI. Linux is bloated?
No, it's not: http://carls.1av10.nu/l.jpg
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i think a lot of you ney-sayers are missing what i think is the point.
...that the prime objective of any "new" amiga is to allow mere mortals and human beings to use it... so some of you prefer to download patch xyz from aminet that saves you 8k of memory and gives you a 0.1 second boost over patch abc and you should still have that rite.
but when a newbie amiga user (and we do want to convert some of the unfortunate PC users) gets confronted by the ####ty look and feel of a 3.1 desktop (4 colors, dumb icons, zero configgability and "what the hell is the difference between a commodity a tool and a utility!?") what exactly are they supposed to do? ++ I ++ know i can install fullpalette, visualprefs and have to edit startup-sequence and patch some libraries a nd a whole load of other junk on top (just to make it look pretty!) but do we really want to subject normal people to that?
if magellan and something like visualprefs and some other touches like click-to-front options (and please please make newicons the standard and ditch all the "old" icons, and can we have standard filetpye icons instead of having to go back-and-forth between name and icon mode?) were there as the "default" option (yes i still said "option" there and the options should have nicce explanations next to them: "allows you to configure the look and feel of windows, buttons, menus and more. With this disabled you only get a basic environment to work in") then all the newbies and people like me could just go get an amiga and 4.0 and install it and get on with surfing and emailing without giving a monkeys about "workbench-emulator" vs "workbench-replacement" vs "workbench + file manager" vs "visualprefs or shell"... think about it .. modular is good, modular kicks utter ass over bloatey windows but giving people a 3.1-alike as the default and making them fork out MORE moneyand making them download obscure patches for a little user-friendlyness = bad bad bad
cycloid
(N.B. i'm not a spelling or punctuation facist)