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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: DoomMaster on September 20, 2003, 04:40:49 AM
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Hi folks,
I just bought a SCSI ZIP 100 drive. How do I hook it up to my Amiga 2000HD computer? What drivers or software do I need? Will a PC also be able to read the files from the ZIP disk? The Amiga and the PC can both read the ISSO 9660 CD-Rs. :-o
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Is it an external ZIP? If so, then first thing to do is get either a Zorro2 SCSI controller that provides an external port (assuming you don't already have one) or get a SCSI cable that has a DB25 at one end. I have my ZIP100 on my CSPPC SCSI controller this way. I suggest the Zorro2 card approach. If the A2k SCSI controller is anything like the A3K's (i.e. braindead), you'll very much appreciate it.
Secondly, if the ZIP drive is to share a bus with other drives, make sure either ID5 or ID6 is free. Or, has IOmega fixed this particular annoyance? My ZIP drive is about 7 years old and can only work on ID5 or 6.
As far as drivers, I setup my ZIP disks as removable disks with RDBs on them. This way, all I have to do is have the appropriate filesystem library in L: to use the disk. When I had to use the sneakernet between my PC and my Amiga (ethernet is SOOOO nice), I used fat95 on my ZIP disks. This can all be handled in HDToolBox. You can even create ZIP disks with multiple partitions but I wouldn't recommend it.
I'll warn you right now: A LLF won't do anything useful. If you have problems with a bad ZIP disk, it's pretty much tough nugies!
The RDB method isn't the only way. You can also use the mount list method which requires a driver in DEVS:.
Also, I recommend getting ZipTools. All the software (including mountlists and device drivers) I have mentioned can be found on Aminet.
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To N7VQM:
Thanks. My ZIP drive is a internal drive and all 3 of my Amiga 2000HDs have a Commodore A2091 SCSI Controller Card in them. The boot hard drive on all 3 A2000HDs is set to ID # 0. The external data harddrives are set up as ID # 1. What device numbers should I give to the CD-Rom and ZIP drives? I appreciate you helping me with this. :-D
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I use a mountlist like this and fat95 on aminet in the
DH0:L drawer. Your device and unit must be changed
if different as well in this mountlist. Mine was unit 5.
I formatted my disks on the PC and then the Amiga
could read them with this fat95 script mounted.
Maybe this will help or email me.
/* RigidDiskBlock. */
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MYZIP:
FileSystem = L:fat95
Flags = 1
Surfaces = 1
BlocksPerTrack = 68
Reserved = 0
PreAlloc = 0
Interleave = 0
LowCyl = 0
HighCyl = 2890
Buffers = 100
BufMemType = 1
MaxTransfer = 0x00ffffff
Mask = 0xffffffff
DosType = 0x46415401
GlobVec = -1
StackSize = 8192
Mount = 1
Priority = 10
Device = harddisk.device
Unit = 5
#
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To Druideck:
Thanks, I will try this out. :-P
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To Druideck:
I do not have a zip drive in my PC (CD-Rs are a lot cheaper then ZIP disks). Can I use this mount list to format a ZIP disk on the Amiga itself? What would the file system be, would it be compatible with a PC ZIP drive, so I could copy files back and forth? :-o
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I have used both an internal JAZ drive, and an external ZIP drive. The ZIP was limited to ID 5 or ID 6. As can be seen from this, (http://home.iprimus.com.au/vortexau/images2/Mounter.jpg) my ZIP had been set to ID 5.
Unless currents ZIPs don't have the same limitations, its still ID 5 or 6.
For your CD-Rom you are free to use any unallocated IDs. ID 7 is usually the SCSI Host Addaptor itself.
Be sure to check with other A2091 users as that Host Addaptor predates CD-Roms. I havn't used one since 1991, using the 32Bit SCSI Controller in, first a GVP accellerator, then a Blizzard accellerator.
BTW, it is possible to use TWO SCSI Host Addaptors at once. I had first used the ZIP on a GVP HC+ card's external port untill i obtained a Db50 - Db25 cable. Zip Tools allows more than one scsi.device name to be set.
Both Amiga-formated and PC-formated ZIP Disks can be used with the correct Drivers (mountlists). Something such as Fat95 is needed for long disk & file names on PC-formated ZIP Disks.
ZIP Disks are sold with either PC or Mac formatting. ZIPMount by Stefano Cairoli is helpful for use with PC & mac formatted ZIPs. Zip4mat by Lorence Lombardo makes preping & formatting ZIPs easy, and to Re-PC Format an Amiga Formatted ZIP!
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Most blank ZIP disks come PC formatted i think,
(and MAC).
The Amiga can read these with my mountlist and fat95 installed.
I had an icon with C:mount in it as the default,
and with the same name as the mountlist.
I just double clicked the icon to mount my ZIP
when needed.
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To DoomMaster:
Didn´t you the one who claimed in the board that you helped in the developing of "Workbench 4" and you will have it availble, by some obscure way, for your Amiga 2000HD VINTAGE computer?
I think you are the very same who claimed have worked for C=
I really dunno, if these thing are true, how the hell you can be here asking how to connect and scsi device to the amiga, and same line questions....
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@DeQuevedo
You are right, DoomMaster has posted a lot of BS on A.org.
Bizzare that with all the knowledge he claimes to have he needs help with something as simple as SCSI IDs...
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You can also boot from Amiga formated Zips. I did that on an A2000 for a couple of years when I couldn't get harddrives small enough for my antique Xetec controller to understand.
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by lorddef on 2003/9/20 15:51:29
@DeQuevedo
You are right, DoomMaster has posted a lot of BS on A.org.
Bizzare that with all the knowledge he claimes to have he needs help with something as simple as SCSI IDs...
Some of us, hasn't understood well, the strange "evil mental scheme" of DM.
He usually post a Thread, with the hope that someone "falls" in the answer . . .and then he appeares again. isn't so?
eh, eh, eh . . .DM! you are a very "bad boy" :-)
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@ DoomMaster
Have you tried your custom A2000-compatible "Workbench 4.0" to see if it can auto-detect it? You could nab the mountlist entries from there...
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Useless insult
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@whabang
useless comment too.
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I just hope DM wasn't working on anything to do with SCSI on that "Workbench 4.0" project for the A2000HD! :-o
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Framiga wrote:
@whabang
useless comment too.
Kinda why I edited it...
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by iamaboringperson on 2003/9/20 20:54:42
I just hope DM wasn't working on anything to do with SCSI on that "Workbench 4.0" project for the A2000HD!
omitting the fact of the dummy AmigaOS4 for A200HD bull-####.
Every DM post, is an insult."
He is convinced that all the others are morons, therefore who is still insultings, is always he.
Ciao
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To Erwin-K:
What is the difference between an Amiga formatted zip disk and a PC formatted zip disk? Is the zip disk formatted like an Amiga hard drive? Thanks for your help. :-D
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The Amiga formats the disk as an Amiga volume with the chosen file system ie. FFS. One formatted on the pc will have a pc file system ie. fat95. You can not read Amiga file systems on a pc. You can read and write pc disks on the Amiga with a program called CrossDOS. You still can not run a program (would require some type of emulator), but you can share files this way via sneaker net.
Stew
Owner of A200Professional (see avatar just for you DM)
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GRRRRRRR!!!!!
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@Doomy
Fat95 is the filesystem to use if you want to share youre zip disks between windows and amigaos. Fat95 is a FAT32 compatible filesystem, supporting long filenames and various file attributes and is available from aminet.
Copy Druidnick's mountlist to make yourself a mountlist for your zip drive, call it ZIP or something and plop it into your Devs:Dosdrivers drawer if you want it to be auto mounted at startup.
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Note you wont need the MYZIP: line if you are making a dosdriver file as above (IIRC).
OTOH, simply copy Druidnicks mountlist to youre Devs: drawer and call it MYZIP.mountlist.
Somewhere in your S:user-startup file add
Mount MYZIP: from DEVS:MYZIP.mountlist >NIL:
Both should work fine. Personally I prefer the former method but its all a matter of preference.
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To Karlos:
I have Fat95 on a disk. Will Fat95 also work with CDs and disks?
To all other Amiga Org members:
This is what I want to do:
I want to copy each one of my over 1000 vintage Amiga games and programs to my DH1 (external data hard drive). For instance, I have a disk with Deluxe Paint 4 on it. I would first create a folder on my hard drive and name that folder Deluxe Paint 4. Then I would copy the entire contents of the Deluxe Paint 4 disk to that folder. I will do the rest of my 1000 disks the same way. Then I want to copy those folders to my PC hard drive and burn them to a CD-R. I do not want to change the file names, because then the programs will not work. ISSO 9660 CD-Rs work great for Amiga data files like animations, mods, etc. because it does not matter if you rename the files, they will still work. But with actual programs it is a different story. What format should I use when burning the CD-R on a PC, so that the file names do not have to be changed? I do not have my Yamaha CD-RW drive set up yet on my Amiga, so I have to burn the CD-Rs on my PC. I want to do this before all of this cool vintage Amiga software is lost forever. They are all original disks that I paid for. If I can burn them to a CD-R then we will all have them. For instance: if your dog chewed on your original Deluxe Paint 4 disk, you could always email me and I can send you a new Deluxe Paint 4 disk for the price of the disk and postage. I do not think that this is piracy, because we both own and paid for the original disks, but those disks will not last much longer, so we have to help each other out. I don't think that the software companies that sold the original software is around anymore, so this is the only way that we could get replacement disks. Moderators, if I am wrong about this, please let me know. I am only trying to help all of us, including myself.
Thanks for your help, guys. :-D
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Fat95 is fine for floppies, hard disk partitions, zip drives etc.
As for CD roms, things are a bit different. Data CD's have always had their own formats (ISO standards).
If you have OS3.5 or better, the CacheCDFS filesystem bundled with it reads Joliet (that is windows own extensions to the CD standards) fine. Nothing special you need to do there unless something is wrong in your CacheCDFS settings. Check the prefs program for it and make sure Joliet support is enabled.
I burn CD's on my winbox to copy large files to my amiga quite often, so I can verify that this works just fine.
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To DoomMaster:
You may helped in developing of "Workbench 4" for Amiga 2000 HD professiononal computer, what you all VINTAGE, but, as I can see, you dont wanna do more than play with your adfs images and these kind of things.
I personally think that you have never seen an Amiga b4 your VINTAGE A2k, or didn´t see none for many years, too many.
Do you know where to powerup the system?This new system has a dinamic RAM disc!doh!
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To Karlos:
I like your avatar. I have often laughed and thought that it is really cool. :-P
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To DeQuevedo:
I love the vintage Amiga games, Demos and Mods. I play them all the time. I do not want to lose them, this is why I want to burn them to a CD-R and make backup copies of that CD-R. I plan on buying another Amiga 3000T and 4000T soon, but I will always like my Amiga 2000HD computers the best. They are very high quality and are built like a tank! :-D
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DoomMaster,
Others have replied better than I can as my bootable Zip was used for Amigas at work. That A2000 now has an 060, 128MB ram, & a 4GB drive. I still sometimes use PC formated Zips for file transfers to our Windblows network.
The Zip drive was a lifesaver back then, now it is just a nice to have item.
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@DoomMaster
You keep avoiding the bit about working on AOS 4.0 and having it run on your A2000
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just an optional tip when copying files between PC and Amigas, try to lha or zip the files so as not to lose
any filenames or protection bits. It's safer
if files are in an archive. :-)
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To Druideck:
That is a very good idea. I did not even think about first compressing the entire contents of each disk to a file. Then I could burn those files to an ISSO 9660 CD-R, then it would not matter if the files were renamed to the 8.3 format. WOW, dude thanks ! :-D
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Yeah well done, Druideck!!
You really know how to help people in need! :-o
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your welcome DM.