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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: MarkTime on September 19, 2003, 04:40:19 PM
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Folks, I've been watching this community for many years and eventually you begin to notice a pattern or two.
First something is delayed, then its downplayed whether the announcement ever occurred even, and then the project is cancelled.
Call me a troll, say I'm wrong.....lets take down names and save posts for later recollection.
But OS 4 will never see the light of day on the PowerUP boards.
Once the priority shifted, when will the priority ever shift back? Never....of course not, the powerup boards are ancient.
It will just be easier to cancel it later after the excitement of OS 4's release for the AmigaONE, then it is just to admit it now.
OK, Hyperion, jump in and call me a liar.
Cause, I will save the post, and remember it, and post it back to you a year from now when you cancel the project.
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You're not a liar, just somebody who doesn't have a clue.
It will only be matter of days before I can reveal why we TEMPORARILY shifted our priority to the AmigaOne version of OS 4.
Meanwhile development of the Cyberstorm version has been continuing, just at a slower pace as both Hans-Joerg and Thomas were not working on it.
The OS 4 betatesters can testify however that new PPC OS 4 binaries were made available to them on a nearly daily basis and that includes the weekends.
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I don't agree - ATM OS4 appears to be fairly complete on the CSPPC, with the A1 version behind. While I know nothing about making OS4, I'd imagine that there's no way that they can get an A1 version done before the CSPPC one - so surely they'd release that first to prove that its not vapour?
About the PowerUP boards being old - remember that there are quite a few people who wanted OS4 68k :-)
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No, the AmigaOne version will not come before the CSPPC version. I heard that this rumour was making the round, but it's wrong.
And no, MarkTime, I'm not calling you a liar. Just a troll.
I invite you to save the message. When OS4 for the CSPPC is out, I'm really curious if you bring it up again.
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@HyperionMP,
there isn't much to say, except time will tell.
even after reading your post, my opinion hasn't changed...
Temporary changes become permanent....happens all the time. Just as you have some super secret announcement to make in a few days, about some deal that made it imperative to do OS 4 for AmigaONE first....there will be other deals and other priorities as time moves.
You can't see it. I know you can't. You are not a liar either....I know it.
What if AmigaONE is fantastically successful. What if it is so successful that you could sell 10 million copies if only you could get 4.2 out the door, or 100 million if OS 5 was done.....I don't believe those things will happen, of course, but the point is, the time is coming to an end when OS 4 for CSPPC makes any sense at all.
The writings on the wall.
By the way, you've released the OS 4 betatesters to 'testify' about their experiences?
And, also, don't think I'm questioning all the work that was done on CSPPC and the daily binary updates...I don't question it.
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It's quite funny to see some people saying the AmigaOne version will be out a year later than the CSPPC version while others are saying the CSPPC version won't be out at all.
Really, the explanation I've managed to piece together from scraps here and there really does make sense, and only complete trolls will refuse to agree with the decision to delay the CSPPC version a week or two when Hyperion makes the proper announcement a few days from now.
No, I'm not kidding :-)
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I don't know how anyone could consider using CPPC permanently for a new PPC OS anyway. As a taster to see how good OS4 is before buying an A1 - maybe. But having myself tasted the benefits of cheap fast memory, a ATA/100 IDE bus, a 600MHz CPU, AGP+PCI, inbuilt USB and ethernet, etc. I don't think I could go back to using my BPPC for anything but nostaligia. And let's be honest - do many people's A4ks still actually work properly on each boot now?
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except time will tell.
And you take it upon yourself to make this "MarkTime will tell"?
This posting was completely uncalled for. What was the use for it? Just to prove your value as a prophet, or to make yourself know as a troll again? It is people like you that poison this community. State hearsay, fiction or rumour as fact, post it to a forum, lean back and enjoy the flame wars.
And I bet you are mighty proud of yourself.
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A sad post by the no1 troll. :-(
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Axing OS4 for the Cyberstorm would not make financial sense.
There are probably as many if not more CyberStorm owners than AmigaOne owners. Even if there are in fact fewer, it's still another market that can be tapped for a minimal investment.
Why would Hyperion throw away all the money invested in the Cyberstorm version?
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It is people like you that poison this community.
No the REAL poison is the mickey mouse Amiga companies what do more damage than good.
Also the guy is stating opinions not trolling which you guys always cry "troll" when you don't like someones thoughts/opinions on something.
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Also the guy is stating opinions not trolling which you guys always cry "troll" when you don't like someones thoughts/opinions on something.
There is a difference between stating your opinion and spreading FUD. If I would say now that I don't believe the Pegasos II will come out, and would call that my opinion, everyone would jump at me and call *me* a troll. And they would be right.
Of course, if it matches your opinion, it's opinion. If it matches the other one's opinion, it's FUD.
Go eat some of your own medicine.
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To be frank, I don't believe a word of MarkTime's word. However. I believed the 2001 august AmigaONE/OS4 release date. I believed the 2001 november release date, and a thousand more release dates.
Now that there is no release date set (damn, were it Hyperion or someone else hinting a 2003 september release date for OS4?) I cannot see why it can't be met. It's not a hardware product, it can be made in spare time, and it requires just that: time and a few coders.
However, I clearly remember what Wayne Hunt received when expressed his opinion about AmigaOS4 won't be released for a couple of months at least - early this year.
Are you aware that when you speak of the poison of the community you speak about broken and unfulfilled promises? You are carrying a heavy burden at Hyperion and I respect you for that - but the same applies for this company which saw countless projects die vanish in thin air...
They became more bitter, many have departed, got fed up...
The situation is hard for everyone - Marktime, this time I think there is no need to increase the tension even more. Frustration gets the worst of us - just look at the thousand craps and "news" from all over the community, regardless of camps or beliefs. Everyone spits out their hatred, frustration - and it just makes more damage.
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I dont think hyperion has ever set a release date yet, it is amigainc that has broken release dates time after time...
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Also the guy is stating opinions not trolling which you guys always cry "troll" when you don't like someones thoughts/opinions on something.
Blah, blah, blah. Nonsense. People like you and MarkTime are always good at shouting "Opinion" if it suits your need, and "trolling" when it's the other way around.
Very nice of you that you deny me the right to defend myself. Everytime somebody of us tries to set some nonsense right, some one like you come up with this ####.
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I think we have discussed this isseu over and over again ... lets drop it before it ends in a big flamefest.
Its Weekend people .. go out and get a beer or something :-D
:pint:
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I dont think hyperion has ever set a release date yet, it is amigainc that has broken release dates time after time...
Never ever seen Hyperion standing up and saying: "It's nonsense". It will be rude, and just an opinion, but I think it was their interest to keep up the enthusiasm and the feeling of immediate release, preventing their potentional customers from going elsewhere. Speculation though, and I beg for being corrected.
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@ Warface
Do you honestly think the situation for anyone of us is *EASY* ?
With a firm budget, you can give firm release date. Anything else, and you're up to the usual sidetracking to get your bills paid. That's the exact reason why we're not giving release dates. And contrary to some other companies, Hyperion *has* delivered in the past. That not everything goes according to plans should be clear, and you shouldn't blame us for failed projects when you know nothing about why it failed.
The situation is hard for everyone. The problem is that some people dwell on this. There's no need for MarkTime to post that crap. Why he did it is beyond me. There can only be one reason: He enjoys trolling. And IMHO, that's the sick part. If people wouldn't go around trolling, crap like this could be spared. But no, it must be. And I'm stupid enough to think that I shouldn't let this crap catch on... Well, so be it.
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Also note the manner in which MarkTime presents his "opinion". Not:
"I don't think OS4 will ever be out on the CSPPC"
instead:
"OS4 will never be released on CSPPC"
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I'm wondering if MarkTime has a CSPPC? :lol: :lol:
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marktime, as my self waiting... for the new amiga os4 and hard ware, things have been mighty slow. but i believe it will show up and every one will have what they want. Amiga ,Bill McEwen knows whats at risk here, things have to be done near perfect there won't be a second chance at trying to win people over. when os4 is released we will see a change in attitude in both the Amiga community and the pc world. yes i quess we could consider the A1 the new power up board ,but amiga are moving to the future some things might well be left behind. but Bill McEWEN "Amiga" has made efforts to even keep the classic owner happy, and i think they did this with os3.9 at least i'am happy with my classic and maybe you'll be suprised and be made happy too! so far as i see it amiga has made great efforts to appeal to every ones needs, but at last there will come the day i will have to put the classic away. And i hope os4 and A1 will take its place and i hope that day is very near. any way this is just my thoughts to offer, just as you offer your thoughts. :-)
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okay, That's enough. No good can come from this.
OS4 will be here when it gets here, like a fine wine it will not be ready before its time.
Enough playing in the Devil's Playground of Speculation.
As such this topic is now locked as it was on a fast track to flaming infero. Trolling and Flaming
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marktime: so this is what happened to csppc/bppc version of mos1.x ?
thanx for telling us.
about os4 , yes i am tired of waiting...and waiting...and waiting..
but as a note , i rather be in a community where all is/was and to be perfect , sadly the amiga community doesnt have this anymore and that goes for the morphos side aswell, people throwing dirt at every attempt and nearly always makes people crazy(ER), in the end it all will fall back on ya.
i can be a troll myself, sure i ain't saying anything diffrent but why i have troll status?`, easy ... i dont like people who throw #### in your face and you can't throw back, and thats what the community is about atm... MUDSLINGING!
we have 3 forums that is more or less very active , 1 that is the so called "ANON.lu" and one that is not about amiga anymore just about what it can emulate and a third one where they don't respect THE REAL AMIGA users who are using ibrowse2.3 and ask you to use a pc to read/view the site properly , so all in all...we live in a wonderfull AMIGA "NOT SO COMPATIBLE" community.
i rate the all sites as top notch except for anon.lu but beeing abit more "friendly" would'nt hurt.
please take note , i added this to the thread after trying delibrately to see some EFFECT.
peace out, frustration level 10/10.