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Amiga.org specific forums => Amiga.org Discussion and Site Feedback => Topic started by: Wayne on May 19, 2009, 12:26:57 AM
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Ok guys,
Time to agree or disagree. Put up or shut up.
Here's a poll to decide whether the header logo for Amiga.org stays with Topaz font (the defacto Amiga font) or goes with something more modern/traditional such as Georgia (the "AMIGA" logo font).
Since I can never make anyone happy, here's how this will go.
I will post this poll, then stop it around 100 votes (200 if it gets spirited). If, at the end, there is a CLEAR and DECISIVE victory for one side or the other, say 70%, then the font will follow the direction of the poll results.
If at the end of the voting, there is no clear victor, then phooey on all of you and it'll be dealer's choice. Keeping in mind I may actually rotate the logo for holidays and such.
Either way, no more kvetching about it.
Deal?
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Ok guys,
Time to agree or disagree. Put up or shut up.
Here's a poll to decide whether the header logo for Amiga.org stays with Topaz font (the defacto Amiga font) or goes with something more modern/traditional such as Georgia (the "AMIGA" logo font).
Since I can never make anyone happy, here's how this will go.
I will post this poll, then stop it around 100 votes (200 if it gets spirited). If, at the end, there is a CLEAR and DECISIVE victory for one side or the other, say 70, then the font will follow the direction of the poll results.
If at the end of the voting, there is no clear victor, then phooey on all of you and it'll be dealer's choice. Keeping in mind I may actually rotate the logo for holidays and such.
Either way, no more kvetching about it.
Deal?
That's ok for me. I don't like the current logo, I'd prefer the other one "AMIGA" (upper case, italics) logo...
Thank you Wayne for giving us the opportunity to vote and decide.
Cheers
Dragster
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It's a deal.
I love the retro style. It's just a style thing. A logo. It doesn't downgrade the site's features or anything. :D
Even if it had to change I won't get hung up about it. ;)
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That's a tough choice, because frankly I like the idea of both.
You may have missed the discussion I had with cicero790 here (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=41605) where he added a scanline effect to the existing one. I thought that one looked fantastic.
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Actually, I think I just solved my own dilemma. Topaz it is!
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I like Topaz 8. I like Topaz 16 even better. I like Topaz 24.
The font being voted on is not Topaz.
It is around 40 pixels tall? But it is most certainly not Topaz 40. It looks like Topaz 8, blown up and intentionally not smoothed out.
It says to everyone, hey buddy, this is an Amiga site and Amigas have frakking ugly fonts. I find it offensive.
The Amiga has always allowed smooth scalable fonts since 1985. But beginning with the release of OS 2, the OS came with smooth scalable fonts built in.
I printed 10,000s of pages of beautiful smooth fonts with my Amiga on my 600x600 dpi HP laserjet back in the early/mid 90s.
Given the Amiga's history of beautiful desktop publishing, why some people want to associate Amigas with blocky, ugly, fonts is beyond me.
As long as we are intentionally putting offensive things on the homepage lets put a picture of Mehdi Ali up there to. He is an oldskool Amiga dude. He has as much right to be up there an an intentionally unsmoothed Topaz.
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It looks like Topaz 8, blown up and intentionally not smoothed out.
That's because it is. If I have any objection at all, it's that I think it should be rendered in the double height 2:1 aspect ratio you used to get on a bog standard NTSC or PAL noninterlaced display. With a gentle scanline effect added, I think it would be visual perfection.
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I do like Topaz, but I don't really think it is appropriate. If I came across a site that used Topaz, I would probably assume it was a website dedicated to 'retro' things.
Can't we use the same font that was used on the XOOPS site?
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I do like Topaz, but I don't really think it is appropriate. If I came across a site that used Topaz, I would probably assume it was a website dedicated to 'retro' things.
Can't we use the same font that was used on the XOOPS site?
I second that!
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This poll is not clear. There are no pictures provided so that people can see what it is they are voting for. Some people are mistakenly voting for the fake topaz.
Could you please attach 2 pics of what is actually being voted on, to the poll or the 1st message? Thanx an Amigabyte.:):)
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Which amiga logo? That one?
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Which amiga logo? That one?
Thanks DJBase. That's exactly what I voted for.
Hopefully Wayne will clarify this is the other option to the users or whoever votes/reads this thread, as they already have a sample on the top home page.
Cheers!
Dragster
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GO GO BIG UGLY Topaz fonts!!
If you don't like Topaz on a site for old computer equipment, there's something wrong with you! I still use Topaz on my Amiga.
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As long as we are intentionally putting offensive things on the homepage lets put a picture of Mehdi Ali up there to. He is an oldskool Amiga dude. He has as much right to be up there an an intentionally unsmoothed Topaz.
Why not go the whole hog and put a picture of Doomy up there too and have his rendition of 'Only Amiga' on looped playback in the background ... HAPPY DAYS!
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Wouldn't it be easier to just have an option for every user to display the logo they want? :D
Keep on dreamin'....
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Wouldn't it be easier to just have an option for every user to display the logo they want? :D
Keep on dreamin'....
I would presume it would be easy enough to add another style here for users to choose ...
Something for the powers that be to consider later when all the old A.Org is finally ported over perhaps? :)
On a personal note ...
(http://www.thesmilies.com/smilie-generator/image/pink%5E_%5Earial%5E_%5E9%5E_%5E5%5E_%5ETopaz+8+Rules%21%5E_%5E.gif) (http://www.thesmilies.com)
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I thought the AMIGA font was Garamond? There was an image in the old gallery that identified it, and another for the Commodore logo. Can't remember who posted it.
My vote's for that one, whatever it is.
If Topaz is victorious, may I suggest the 1.3-era version?
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Wouldn't it be easier to just have an option for every user to display the logo they want? :D
Keep on dreamin'....
I ran a site a long while back and I wrote a widget that would randomly display one of ten images for the site logo. Maybe that is a possibility... or maybe a skin setting for users so that they could choose what they like... or we just let Wayne do whatever he likes seeing how it is his site. :D
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only original for me baby !
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I agree the original Amiga.org font was nice and would preserve the history of the board.
I second that!
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Some of the creators (?) discussed a scanline-effect.
I think topaz looks best in the sizes it was intended for, i.e small.
However, a scanline effect could help break off those, ahem, blocks.
I'll just have to take their word for it that it could have looked better.
Sure, it's retro, but is it cool?
I'd prefer a large smooth font anytime over enlarged 8x8 fonts.
Be it Garamond or whichever...
Now I'll vote and shut-it :)
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To all the topaz haters, think about this.
You have the letter A in the logo (in a smooth font)
You have the Boing Ball in the logo
You have the Amiga check mark in the logo
You have the red diamond in the logo
You have the rest of the site in a normal smooth font
why can't we have a bit of topaz in there for a bit of a nostalgia trip?
Its artistic
How does that denigrate the Amiga?
The argument put forward by some that it will make people think their beloved Amigas cannot display smooth fonts is ridiculous. Who outside of the community gives a damn about whether the Amiga is able to manage smooth fonts or not. Like anyone cares.
Think artistically don't get all emotional about the Amiga over a simple logo. This is a website not the Amiga operating system. :p
Go Topaz Go topaz Go! Don't upset the system. :D
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The new logo is very beautiful.
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I wonder what the following compromise would look like: Having the word "AMIGA" in the Garamond font and the .org in topaz 8
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It doesn't really seem terribly important in the grand scheme of things, but I do prefer the topaz logo.
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Yeah! Go the Topaz! :)
- Ali
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That's a tough choice, because frankly I like the idea of both.
You may have missed the discussion I had with cicero790 here (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=41605) where he added a scanline effect to the existing one. I thought that one looked fantastic.
I agree with you, the one in message #8 is really good.
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Why is there no fake topaz in the Icaros logo?
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If I could choose, the layout and design of the new amiga.org should be as similar as possible to the old one.
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If I could choose, the layout and design of the new amiga.org should be as similar as possible to the old one.
I realize of course that some of you will NEVER be happy until this site looks identical to the antiquated version of what it was.
Frankly and honestly, as a web GUI guy, after the first seven years or so, I got extremely tired of looking at it, as it looked like something built and created nearly a decade ago (which it was).
The new header will change and mutate, but -- with respect to those who can't get past it -- it won't ever be what it was.
There is a reason people tear down 1970's floral wallpaper from their kitchen, and the fact that our "active users" (those people who've logged in in the last 30 days) went up 100+ people in the last week speaks volumes to me.
Change is good. Sometimes difficult, but good as it keeps people interested.
Wayne
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I like topaz too, but I like the Amiga logo better for the title page. I could live with the topaz version, but it really needs to be a capital A.
Plaz
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So, *you're* the web gui guy! :) Hi'ya Wayne!
Then this note with it's creds should go to you:
(As a break from all the "bitchin'")
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I must say, it's (new amiga.org) growing on to me too...
To me, this is nothing short of evolution!
Being invited to one of those new "social groups" really forced me to start
tinkering around the website, posting and upoading...
There are so many subtle things that I like, like the quick "adressfield"-style links
which takes up virtually no space;
» Amiga.org » Main Category » Suggestions and Feedback » The NEW A.Org » Reply to Thread
..and the albums with a cover-thumbnail, sweet!
It's all in there, one just has to look for it
Great work guys, and thanks for the community-support!!!
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people should turn on their Visitor Messaging (Options in user CP)
it's fun leaving messages to your buddies :)
I'm familiar with these sorts of boards and you could spend lots of time adding stuff.
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With 77 votes cast, I'm hoping that you guys can start understanding the point that I'm trying to subtly make.
This poll, as with any change that I can seemingly make, is bound to upset SOMEONE's proverbial apple cart.
Some people want x display. Some people want Y display. EVERYONE wants to go back to "the way things were" (which isn't possible).
As such, the best I (or ANY Amiga-oriented site Webmaster) can do with any decision is to try to annoy the fewest people possible.
The change away from "what was", was forced upon us, and yes, I could have stayed with Xoops (with a LOT more work) but frankly, we're doing fine now and will continue to develop forward until things get to where no one even remembers the way things were before.
All it takes is patience, and I apologize for the need but again, not something I wanted to do.
Then again, I'm having more fun with this site now than I have in years. I just have to figure out a way to upgrade all of my remaining sites to vB now.. :)
Wayne
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EVERYONE wants to go back to "the way things were"
I don't. I like the new site :)
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Maybe I should just create 6 new themes and rotate them on a daily basis like the BBC.co.uk does?
Black for Mondays, Blue for Wednesdays, Bright Yellow or Orange for Fridays...
:)
Wayne
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Some people want x display. Some people want Y display. EVERYONE wants to go back to "the way things were" (which isn't possible).
I don't, actually! I completely disliked the very first version, as I don't like vBulletin-style boards but now that I can actually see the direction you're going, I quite like it, I think it'll end up better than the original! Fingers crossed! :-)
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Wayne:
You have got alot of BS thrown at you in the past and upto this point, unfairly i would say.
I think you have grown a pretty tough skin by now hehe
Just want to say that this was the right way to go, i like the new site:-)
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Personally, I really like the 'retro style' bitmap font' logo :)
Steve
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I don't want to go back to the old site, just the old font that the old site had...
With 77 votes cast, I'm hoping that you guys can start understanding the point that I'm trying to subtly make.
This poll, as with any change that I can seemingly make, is bound to upset SOMEONE's proverbial apple cart.
Some people want x display. Some people want Y display. EVERYONE wants to go back to "the way things were" (which isn't possible).
As such, the best I (or ANY Amiga-oriented site Webmaster) can do with any decision is to try to annoy the fewest people possible.
The change away from "what was", was forced upon us, and yes, I could have stayed with Xoops (with a LOT more work) but frankly, we're doing fine now and will continue to develop forward until things get to where no one even remembers the way things were before.
All it takes is patience, and I apologize for the need but again, not something I wanted to do.
Then again, I'm having more fun with this site now than I have in years. I just have to figure out a way to upgrade all of my remaining sites to vB now.. :)
Wayne
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I don't want to go back to the old site, just the old font that the old site had...
I don't! I love the retro-style topaz. Double height and it'd look a bit more interesting as well.
Now, I don't buy it when people say that it "looks crap and people won't take us seriously". When was the last time you looked around? Retro stuff "looking crap" are everywhere, people love them, outside the Amiga community as well!
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Heh. I love it how we're all voting for Topaz, yet each and every one of us hated using it on their Amigas. I know for years, I bitched about the font.
But not once did I ever change it. XD
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Nobody wants to go back to the old site. The new site is functionally 100x better. Why mess up a perfectly good vBulletin website with some retarded looking font.
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Just so's ya know... I didn't create the old header. I think Meers did (sorry if I'm wrong), so I don't have the old font even if I wanted to use it
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Nobody wants to go back to the old site. The new site is functionally 100x better. Why mess up a perfectly good vBulletin website with some retarded looking font.
Yes, because all you ever do on the site is look at the logo. You just stay scrolled up and look at it. All day long. It never gets tiring.
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yes, because all you ever do on the site is look at the logo. You just stay scrolled up and look at it. All day long. It never gets tiring.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
:d
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Looks like we're heading for a clear 2 way split, on this one.
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... If I came across a site that used Topaz, I would probably assume it was a website dedicated to 'retro' things.
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Isn't the Amiga a 'retro' thing ??
Or you're one of those people who believes in a second coming of the amiga ?
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I like the contrast of the smoothed Georgia-A and the retro-Topaz-8 next to it. So Topaz it is for me. Rotation is a fine idea, let's make a calendar. Will anyone draw a logo where a Lemming climbs on the Topaz font? Oh, what's Lemming day, btw :-)?
Jens
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Rotation is a fine idea, let's make a calendar. Will anyone draw a logo where a Lemming climbs on the Topaz font? Oh, what's Lemming day, btw :-)?
I love that idea..!
edit: from Wikipedia.com -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemmings_(video_game)
Lemmings Day is February 14th (released Feb 14, 1991)
Wayne
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re: lemmings day.
Added :)
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Lemmings Day is February 14th (released Feb 14, 1991)
Great! Who needs pink flowers and red hearts on that day anyway.
I vote for a C64-font on august 4th ;-)
Jens
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Ok guys,
Time to agree or disagree. Put up or shut up.
Here's a poll to decide whether the header logo for Amiga.org stays with Topaz font (the defacto Amiga font) or goes with something more modern/traditional such as Georgia (the "AMIGA" logo font).
Since I can never make anyone happy, here's how this will go.
I will post this poll, then stop it around 100 votes (200 if it gets spirited). If, at the end, there is a CLEAR and DECISIVE victory for one side or the other, say 70%, then the font will follow the direction of the poll results.
If at the end of the voting, there is no clear victor, then phooey on all of you and it'll be dealer's choice. Keeping in mind I may actually rotate the logo for holidays and such.
Either way, no more kvetching about it.
Deal?
Hi,
I sort of like the old, put it on the right, put the login in the center, and put the new on the left.
does that solve your problem?
smerf
always one step beyond
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It'd also be fun to change the logo according to various calendar events, etc, much like Google does, but Amiga themed?
Or maybe not ;)
Steve
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It'd also be fun to change the logo according to various calendar events, etc, much like Google does, but Amiga themed?
Or maybe not ;)
Steve
Blimey! we're still engaged on the topaz font saga and now we're trying for more logo's? :roflmao:
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It'd also be fun to change the logo according to various calendar events, etc, much like Google does, but Amiga themed?
Or maybe not ;)
Steve
Who will pay an artist to doodle "amiga.org" variants full-time?
Hans
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Who will pay an artist to doodle "amiga.org" variants full-time?
Hans
Money money money.
Perhaps someone would want to, just for fun. Who knows :)
Either way, the topaz should stay.
Steve
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voting is closed.
Dealer's choice it is. :)
Wayne
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I realize of course that some of you will NEVER be happy until this site looks identical to the antiquated version of what it was.
The new header will change and mutate, but -- with respect to those who can't get past it -- it won't ever be what it was.
Don't misunderstand, I am not opposed to change, and I don't necessarily want to go back to the old site.
Some of the functionality has certainly improved, and I am sure that this new Amiga.org will be better than the old one.
What I don't like so far, is that the new look is a more generic "vanilla installed bb system". I'm purely talking colours, headers and stylesheets here.
The old site had a certain look, which I am sure many of us loved. It looked more polished and customized. But I'm sure everything will be nice in the end.