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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: CU_AMiGA on September 15, 2003, 04:21:52 PM
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My personal favourite Amiga Model was the 1000. Simply because it was the first machine that brought the computer world to attention, and started all the later Amiga models. And, also it was well ahead of its time and miles better than the PC and MAC, with its graphics and Music capabilities. It will go down in history as a great computer system and a brilliant contirbuter to technology.
As for the worst model (dare i say it!). That would have to go to the 500+. What a waste of time (and money) that was, and all for what? 6 months! I cant see any point in it being released, it wasn't too much powerful than the original 500 and with the 600 and more powerful 1200/4000 just around the corner it had seemed pointless!
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Best is a toss up between the 3000 and 4000T. The 3000 had scandoubling, SCSI, and was very well made.
The 4000T had SCSI *and* IDE, a nice big roomy case, AGA, and a certain amount of prestige that it commands.
Worst? They all have their faults. The A4000 has battery leakage problems, trouble with early buster models, and Paula-audio death seems fairly common, but otherwise they're really nice machines.
The 500+ was alright, it wasn't Commodores fault that game programmers relied upon certain undocumented features of the Kickstart 1.x ROMs (or worst of all expecting routines to be at fixed addresses).
At the end of the day, all Amigas are bloody great, imho :-)
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to say one model was the "worst" would be too rough. They were all good. I like the 3000 and its sexy case.
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TheMagicM wrote:
to say one model was the "worst" would be too rough. They were all good. I like the 3000 and its sexy case.
Okay then, it shall now be titled: What was the Best and "not so good" Amiga Models! :-) Hows that?
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thats it! You're banned! just kidding... :-)
I also liked the A600 because it was so compact..just too dang hard to find one.
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The A600 was IMO pretty meaningless. Something like the C16 and the Plus/4 ...
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I personally, had a soft spot for the 600. It had its good and bad points. The good obviously being a compact Amiga, and closest in being a laptop. The bad point being (again obviously) that it wasn't too powerful, and at a time in 1992 when the 1200 and 4000 was launched.
I love to see the sight of Amiga 600 running a game like Gloom/Doom or similar graphical standard. How far can up upgrade these babies?! :-)
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@ CU_AMiGA
How far can up upgrade these babies?!
Obviously quite far: http://www.amiga600.de/ (http://www.amiga600.de/)
:-o :-D
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If it had been launched with a 68020 it would have been superior to the A500 all around. The 68000/ECS combo was totally dead in 1991-1992.
That aside, the compct nature made it a better choice for people on the go, and it was a good starter system for people who were still hanging onto their C64 systems.
As far as expansion: The A600 lacks any type of reasonable expansion bus. The best you can add to it are RAM cards and some 020 (and if memory serves 030) cards that clip over and onto the 68000.
I believe Apollo made an 020 or an 030 card which was popular for people who wanted near A1200 performance, but no real graphics expansion was ever released, leaving the A600 in the ECS set of machines, not the AA set.
I also like the small compact and sexy design, but it was never a choice for me (Toaster user). I always stuck to the larger boxes and at one time had a Toaster 2000 and two Toaster/Flyer boxes running at once (A4000 and A4000T).
Overall the best Amiga model ever relesed was the A4000T. Out of the box it did the most, and had the most expansion capabilities. The A3000/T and A2000 are my next in line. The A1000 was probably the best in overall design though for what it did and what it could be made to do in 1985.
//R//
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I would have to agree that the A3000 is by far the best Amiga ever. Sure the A4000T had IDE and scsi, but the scsi was just a Zorro card. Its built like a tank. Solid, even over the A4000T. No problems with mine once I put all the new chips in it. AGA is not all that. If you have a graphics card, who wants to run AGA?
The worst Amiga to me is the A600. It came to late. It wasnt that easy to upgrade. All the CPU accelerators are hacks that snap over the 68000 chip. It would have been better to just keep the A500 in production if they wanted to have a low end games amiga.
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@ Indoro
Well, AFAIK the A600 was released after the A1200, but it had much less features. It had a lower price, but that didn't seem to help much. A 020 and some fastmem would have made it faster, but it still lacked the AGA which everyone wanted at that time. That is what I meant with C16 and Plus/4, a downgrade when people asked for upgrades.
I actually have an A600 HD in my closet. I bought it second hand for a project that never come to be. I have not used it much (hmm, perhaps it's time to take it out, blow off the dust, and experience some nostalgia ;-)).
I agree however that it had kind of a cool case. Very small and all ...
The best Amiga made was without doubt the A4000T ...
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I personally like the Amiga 2000 Series of computers. The Amiga 2000 is the highest quality of all the Amiga models. It is such a nice computer that it is concidered by many to be the Flagship Amiga, because of its durability and expandability. After the Amiga 2000 was released, Commodore had decided to cut the cost of production by lowering the quality of all Amigas, starting with the Amiga 3000. The lowest quality and the worst of the Amiga models are the following: Amiga 500, 500+, 600, and the 1200, but for some reason most Europeans like these low quality Amigas. In fact, the Amiga 500 and 1200 are the most popular Amiga computers in Europe. Even though my favorite Amiga is the Amiga 2000 Series, I have a great respect and love for the legendary Amiga 1000, the Amiga that started it all. :-D
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Well, AFAIK the A600 was released after the A1200, but it had much less features.
Nope. I personally know of two people who bought an A600 as it was the latest model, only to be really annoyed that the 1200 was announced shortly afterwards.
It had a lower price, but that didn't seem to help much. A 020 and some fastmem would have made it faster, but it still lacked the AGA which everyone wanted at that time.
There were no AGA machines when it was released. Not for a few months, anyway.
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The A500 is not a 'low quality' computer. It is very well manufactured, and likely to last you a long time.
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To xeron:
The A500 is not a 'low quality' computer. It is very well manufactured, and likely to last you a long time.
Tell that to the cheap plastic case and the stripped out screw holes in the plastic stand-offs. Also, tell that to the low quality Amiga 500 keyboard. Just compare an Amiga 2000 keyboard to an Amiga 500 keyboard, you will readily see the difference in quality. The Amiga 2000 keyboard has Cherry switches from Italy and the characters are printed on top of the keys. The Amiga 500 keyboard has low quality Chicklet (rubber) key switches and the characters on top of the keys are decals. :-o
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Considering the extremely high price of the A2000 at the time, if Commodore hadn't released the A500 line the Amiga wouldn't have made it any further, period.
Considering the market the A500 was designed for, the fact that very few of them are going to be regularily stood on by elephants, the A500 does what it was designed for, and it does it very well.
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To xeron:
You are right about that, buddy. Oh by the way, quality does cost more, so if a person wants high quality then they should be prepared to pay more money for it. There is no such thing as low-cost high quality. :-D
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I would say the a500 ive had so many .My first one is at my sisters now unused bought it 12 years ago secondhand.I built another wich i now have again from bits.I sold one, i got one out of a skip and i have had 3 others from an auction for 3 pound about six years ago of wich two were spares only and one was working .The a1500+ i had was also from auction about 6 years ago cost me 6 pound including a a good quality 24 pin nec printer and pc keyboard. I gave this solid old brick away a few years ago, shame as it will now be joining the a4000s with battery corrosion as it was a late 1992-1993 2.04 machine with the battery backed clock im sure it was 1993 it had that written on a sticker with commadore on with the month day and year on it.
also my cdtv is great as is my 3 a1200,s.
The worst is the a4000 desktop this is by far the poorest case desighn ever so little space its more like an oven . :-o :-D :-D
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Well the worst Amiga was the Amiga 1000, and the best Amiga is the AmigaONE XE G4/933.
The worst Macintosh was the original Macintosh (128k) the best Macintosh is the Dual G5/2ghz model.
<---ok some of you are detecting a certain literal minded bent to my answers.... ;-)
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Also, tell that to the low quality Amiga 500 keyboard. Just compare an Amiga 2000 keyboard to an Amiga 500 keyboard, you will readily see the difference in quality. The Amiga 2000 keyboard has Cherry switches
And it is a heavy old thing my a 2000 keyboard model no. KKQ_E94YC is the same as an a500 and has rubber mitsumi made keyboard and no cherry switches i just opend mine up to see so only some are good quality . :-?
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To amigamad:
The later released Amiga 2000 computers came with the lower quality Amiga 500 keyboards. :-o
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The later released Amiga 2000 computers came with the lower quality Amiga 500 keyboards.
ok what model number is your better qaulity keyboard . :-) or commadore part number.
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The best Amiga model is this very thing I'm writing this from...
My A1200... You can expand this animal in unbelivable many ways... I know the A4000 can be expaned too, but I've always been fund of my A1200... + A4000 parts is hard to get hold of these days :), So the best is definetly A1200...
The "not so good" is A600, in my eyes...
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I think the CD32 is the coolest looking amiga, I just have a fetish for top loading CDs is all. The big box amigas are reallt the most capable in my opinion, 1200s can be made to do everything a 4000 can more or less, but it's kinda odd, more quality control having more stuff just in the motherboard itself.
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CDTV / CD32 / A600 was them who had most potential but released at the wrong time..
CDTV was 3 years before its time really...
Cd32 Came 1 year too late.
A600 should have arrived instead of the a500+.
best machine must be the a3000 i think , but i would say that my a1200 has really impressed me in ways of expanding/hacking.
the a4000 was a dodgy piece of #### when it came, later models was great, but then again it all went down to one aspect .. compability was very bad on the a4000/040 compared to the a1200 etc.
cheers
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For looks/sex appeal I would have say the A3000(UX), I love it and I would probably kill for one!!
For usability the A4000T is the nicest - and I do own one of those! :-)
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@ DoomMaster
for some reason most Europeans like these low quality Amigas
Don't forget that most Europeans are also closet communists...
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lol
I need to find a cool tower i can cram an A4000 mobo into...
what kind of power supply does an a4000 take any wayz??
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Ha, it just comes to show that the majority isn't always right. The best Amiga ever made without a doubt was the CD32.............it is the closest thing to what an Amiga is all about............Im talking about auto boot just like a console.........no stupid PC like start up and waiting just straight foward..........insert a CD, it goes to a CD menu, insert a game.........boots up with no typing, insert a Video CD, plays by hitting the play button, insert a CD+G, and it will display the words to the song, if you have an SX-1 or SX32, it boots up to workbench............definitely one of the Amigas with the least problems.............if the 4000 had the ability to do all this then it would be best. CD32 also had standard 6 button pads, a headphone jack, a CD - ROM drive, an off button on the computer rather than on the brick, Had composite Video Out, S-Video Out, RF out, and if u have an SX32 give it a VGA out and RGB out, thats 5 Video Outputs! and S-Video is essential if you want RGB like output to a TV.
The A600 is an excellent machine...........just wish it had an expansion port like the 500.
The 2000 is the Ugliest Amiga ever made and is a huge Behemoth, the 3000 looks way too much like a PC jr and the 4000 desktop looks too plain ( The 4000T is very neat though) and the 500 is another huge monster and way too many hanging parts especially that stupid RF modulator that didnt screw on, and the A1200 i like only because its AGA and looks like and extended A600, but is also not as wide as a 500, and of course the one and only Lovely A1000, a really nice setup especially at the time if u had the monitor and external disk drives
The CDTV looked ecellent but sucked bigtime.
Now funny enough, I have had all these Amigas before except the CDTV and the 4000T
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My favourite would have to be the A1200 because thats the first computer i owned.
I most pointless of all computers must have been the A600. I remember seeing it for the first time in a mag, either just before or after it was released, and there and then i couldnt imagine the stupidity of commador. I knew commador wasnt in the best of positions, but after seeing this, i knew commador was going down the drain.
Looking back, i dont think the CD32 was that hot either, its was good fun but it didnt seem as if it was a huge success. IT wasnt pusing any boundrys, it had the same chipset as the A1200 and A4000... (at least i think the A4000 chipset was the same)...
infact, anything after the A4000 wasnt that inovative. the A1200 was a home users A4000. The CD32 was the gamers, just because it didnt have a keyboard and a monitor. Commador should have been a lot more inovative. Lets face it, commador was prolly never inovative, they bought the Amiga and everyonen who were developing it. If they hadnt have done that, they would have died long before it. Because, they're not inovative!
They could have atleast stolen a few ideas, like MS :) it keeps them afloat! :)
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My list from Best to Worst
A3000+
A4000T
A4000
CD32
A1200
A3000T
A3000
A1000
A500+
A500
A2000
CDTV
A600
Scary thing is I am pretty sure that between Wayne, Lee & I we owned at least one of each of those at one time.
-Tig
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I was only mentioning the released Amiga's
A3000+
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(I'll respect most of your orderings...)
A500+
A500
A2000
I'm confused by that one, the A500's better than A2000? No way!
:-)
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Best design award : 3000
Best performance award: 4000
Special prize for innovation : 1000
Best price/performance ratio award: 1200
Raspberry award : 600
and...
Best newcomer: Pegasos and Aone tied :-P
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Cyberus wrote:
@ DoomMaster
for some reason most Europeans like these low quality Amigas
Don't forget that most Europeans are also closet communists...
He's onto us! We'll have to send GRU after him!!! :-x
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DoomMaster:
AFAIK, Commodore changed the keys of the keyboards as they pleased. I've seen A500s both with printed characters and with "decals". I mus say though, I liked the CDTV keyboard the most; The CDTV was undoubtly the sexiest of ALL amigas.
I don't understand why people keep bashing the A600. Sure it wasn't the best machine ever mande, but mine allways worked flawlessly (until I gutted it to find out what it looked like inside :-D).
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The best was the Professional Amiga 2500 of course.
Yep, it totaly blew the A2000 out of the water, I mean especialy with it's nicer name plate and all. :-D
My Uncle still uses his Amiga 2500 in his video production business. Of course he mostly use "Professional Mac's" for non-linear editing of course. But that 68020 sure did kick some ass back then.
Real profesionals would never choose the A2000 over the true Flagship Amiga 2500. :-P
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@amigaguy
I'll take my 2K with the bliz '060 thanks although I do have a 2630 board gathering dust - would that count? ;-)
Best and worst is all relative to the use it'll be put to.
To save space and time I'll restrict myself to the major model lines and only released product.
A1000 - the original - 'nuff said.
A500 - cheap 'n' cheerful - primarily responsible for the Amigas' sucess in the home market.
A2000 (and variants) - built like a brick outhouse - video toaster primarily responsible for maket penetration into video editing shops.
A3000 (and variants) - much more than a 2000 with a good feature set but somehow not quite enough at the time - a flawed hero.
A4000 (and variants) - logical successor to the 2000 - for some bizarre reason some of the good features in the 3000 were removed - another flawed hero.
A600 - tiny tiny box - very cute but why?
A1200 - logical sucessor to the A500 - more power, better chipset - huge hardware hacking potential.
CDTV - a great idea which the world was not ready for.
PPC Amigas - to be honest, I dunno - the question I keep asking myself is "where's the killer app?".
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by Tigger on 2003/9/16 7:05:10
My list from Best to Worst
A3000+
A4000T
A4000
CD32
A1200
A3000T
A3000
A1000
A500+
A500
A2000
CDTV
A600
Scary thing is I am pretty sure that between Wayne, Lee & I we owned at least one of each of those at one time.
-Tig
an A1200 is better than an A3000T? Are you joking?
Ciao
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Technically the 3000+ was the best.
The 4000T would be my personal favorite,
followed by a toss-up between the 1200 and
3000. The 3000 had SCSI and socketed
chips, yet AGA is a must for watching
demos:P
The 500 was pretty cool, it could do everything
the 2000 could, cost less and probably had
better build quality.
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Overall, I think the best would be the 3000. It's not as ugly as the 2000, but isn't full of SMT junk like the 4000.
The CDTV gets the style award.. I've always liked the look of that machine.
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Imo the A1200 was the biggest disappointment.
It was severely under powered for a new generation Amiga at the time.
Things it did lack was:
- a New blitter (It was still the same slow 16 bit thing !!!)
- new sound chips (same old 2x2 channel 8 bit stuff)
- 24 bit color mode instead of extending ham would have been nice
- 8 bit byte-per-pixel mode or even the converter chip from the CD32
- full vga compatibility or at least such a mode
- HD floppy controller
- buffered serial port
- space for a 3.5" IDE HD would have been a lot more appropriate
- 512 kb of fast ram/faster chip ram would have helped it tremendously
since chip ram didn't have enough bandwidth.
- 030/25 or whatever they put in the atari falcon.
After considering the extra cost for a 2.5" inch hard drive a new serial
card and a special Amiga capable monitor they could have charged more
and it still would have been cheaper.
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yeah if AGA had at least a hacked on 24bit + chunky mode all could be very differet
oh and a 25mhz '030 min (min) and a sim slot...
at the very least a true Zorro3 would have been a good sent for the future!!! :-?
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Bit OT, but...
leirbag28 wrote:
insert a Video CD, plays by hitting the play button,
The CD32 plays standard VCDs?
-D- wrote:
Technically the 3000+ was the best.
What's the plus for? I know on the A500 the plus meant the addition of ECS and a fatter Agnus, but the A3000 had these as standard, didn't they? Was this the A3000 AGA upgrade I've heard about?
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-D- wrote:
Technically the 3000+ was the best.
What's the plus for? I know on the A500 the plus meant the addition of ECS and a fatter Agnus, but the A3000 had these as standard, didn't they? Was this the A3000 AGA upgrade I've heard about?
Wasn't the 3000+ meant to be an Amiga 3000 with an AGA chipset? That would be awesome! :-) Do any of them actually exist?
Technically the 4000/T, 3000/T and 1200T were the better ones. The 4000 and 3000 being more powerful and the 1200 being an upgraders dream and cheap and popular. But i plucked for the 1000 as the best Amiga model cos it was the first that started it and no-one had ever seen anything like it. No other Amiga models would have been possible without this machine.
Thanks for the reply people! Keep 'em coming! :-)
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@leirbag28:
"The 2000 is the Ugliest Amiga ever made and is a huge Behemoth"
well, I agree, the case design is crap. You can put less HDs and drives in it than in a desktop 4000... with an A4000 you can put 2 HDs next to the PSU, 2 disk drives and a cdrom without many problems... (if the cdrom is not very long of course...
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DoomMaster wrote:
To xeron:
The A500 is not a 'low quality' computer. It is very well manufactured, and likely to last you a long time.
Tell that to the cheap plastic case and the stripped out screw holes in the plastic stand-offs. Also, tell that to the low quality Amiga 500 keyboard. Just compare an Amiga 2000 keyboard to an Amiga 500 keyboard, you will readily see the difference in quality. The Amiga 2000 keyboard has Cherry switches from Italy and the characters are printed on top of the keys. The Amiga 500 keyboard has low quality Chicklet (rubber) key switches and the characters on top of the keys are decals. :-o
DoomMaster, tip:
Maybe if you stopped using Amiga 500, 600 and 1200 as cricket or tennis bats once in a while, then maybe they'll last a little longer! The 2000 being too heavy to lift! have owned all three of them and they have lasted me a long time 500,600 about 8 years (recently broke down). And the 3 1200's that i own are still going strong! :-D
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iamaboringperson wrote:
I was only mentioning the released Amiga's
A3000+
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The original AA (eventually AGA) Amiga, A3000 case, AGA chipset, plus a DSP for audio and computation power, first shown at Denver Devcon in 91, and eventually shipped to more then a few commercial developers (including me), what happened to mine is a very sad story so we dont talk about it however :(. Somewhere between 50 and 100 of them were made.
(I'll respect most of your orderings...)
A500+
A500
A2000
I'm confused by that one, the A500's better than A2000? No way!
The reason I ordered them that was is cost. The first amiga I bought myself was an A2000, but it cost me over two grand with the moniter, the A500 was the same computer for 1/3 the price. And when it came out there werent the toaster cards, the Z2 video cards and the accelerator cards that made the A2000 a great deal later.
-Tig
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My original Amiga was an Amiga 2000HD, anything less than that was considered a toy at that time amonst my friends, who were buying at the same time. Everyone who was getting into Amigas was getting a 2000HD, so I did too, out of peer pressure.
I almost went for the 2500, (it was only $450 more, at the time) but since I was borrowing the money, stuck to the 2000HD which only set me back $1995.
I "Gave it away" in 1994, thinking it was worth nothing, not realising Amiga would still be popular even today. I regreeted giving it away ever since.
I now have a 3000, and a 500, that I bought secondhand a few years ago, but they "feel old" since I didn't buy them new like I did the 2000HD. to this day, the 2000HD holds a place in my heart that no other computer can touch.
I wasn't around when the 1200 and the 600 came out, and they just don't do it for me, since I only learned about them after the fact.
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I was also away (mostly) when A1200/4000 came to market so they never
ment anything to me. And these todays Items are not made by
Commodore-Amiga so I don't comment them here.
In my books. Biggest impression was A100, seeing it at the friends
house and comparing to to anything existing at the time. It was just
amazing. (but unfortunately totally out of my reach)
A500 was my first, so it has some special meaning. But on couple
years I realized those forwever problems of that kind flat systems..
Expansion. after isntalling HD etc to a500 I had to admit it was not
enough at all.
So.. A2000.. In the end It had commodore 2091, 3630, flickerfixer
netcard etc.. Nice machine, Full featured Workhorse, but a avfully
heawy for getting it to parties.
And last.. Best Amiga I have used. Amiga3000. with flicker fixer, scsi
etc internal it was nice, compact machine. Nowdays it would definitely
need slot for cd.rom but on it's time it was uncommon.
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Mine has to be the A500, as for the princely sum of £399 (back in the day..) you could embarass PC/Mac owners who's machines cost them three times as much.
I did read somewhere that the A500+ was simply a means of getting rid of the unused CDTV boards, and I'd love to know if there's any truth in that rumour.
The biggest disappointments for me have to be the A600 (what were they thinking) and the vanilla A1200. I know the last choice is going to generate some controversy, but it simply wasn't enough at the time. Of course, the humble A1200 that I'm typing this post on is an altogether different beast............
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That_punk_guy
Quote: The CD32 plays standard VCDs?
Yes, The CD32 plays Standard VideoCD's and even recorded ones that you make with the Terrapin VCD recorder or the ones for the Philips CD-i and the ones you burn with NERO on windows...........of course
to play the movies, the CD32 requires that you have the Full Motion Video Card installed such as I have.
As far as what everyone has said about what is their favorite Amiga, I agree to some extent because all Amigas are Amigas and have that Amiga feeling which only Amiga users know.........so what ever Amiga you had, it has its meaning for you.
As for me, My fave is always the A600, the CD32, and the A1000................I have a hard time picking one.
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Just to throw my own two cents into this thread... I think there are two kinds of Amigas... Ones with AGA and ones without AGA. I think without AGA, you might as well be running a C64. Not that there's anything wrong with that... I just think it's the difference between having a game machine, and having computer.
Note: Just my opinion... No attempt to influence anyone or start a flame war. :-D
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As for me, My fave is always the A600, the CD32, and the A1000................I have a hard time picking one.
This is so true. IMHO, my A4000 will be the favorite one as it is the most expandable and powerful, however all other Amigas that I own (A500, A600, CD32, and A1200) bring me a lot of joy in their own ways. Nothing like trying to expand your tiny, little Amiga 600 unit to 030 CPU, 32MB Fast RAM / 2MB Chip RAM, with a ZIP drive, CD-Drive, etc. :-) I was sooo unlucky with the A600 expansion project of mine as twice I bought an 030 accelerator that was simply dead on arrival. :-( Ahh, the dream of owning a working one some day... ;-)
I also hope that some day I will have a mint A4000T Escom unit. :-)
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Dr_Righteous wrote:
I think without AGA, you might as well be running a C64.
There's no way a C64 could multitask like an OCS/ECS Amiga.
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this a1200 is a good computer, but i think after upgrading
the a500 with viper 520 cd and the mini mega chip
for 2 meg video ram and an extra 512k on board i have to go with the
a500. can't use the speech program on the a1200 where
i can on the a500. used to use my a500 to copy a message
on the answering maching...kool!. a2000 was nice, never
got to use the a3000/a4000 how sad...but a friend
says the a3000 was the best amiga model.
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@unclewilli:
Actually you can use the speech program on the A1200, you just need narrator.device. I think it can be found on Aminet.
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*Or on my Workbench 1.3 floppy here*
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I really do love my a3000's and my a2000's and my a500's , but I'd trade one of my a3000's for a decent a4000 or even a decent a1200 no problem, just so I could have an AGA machine.
It seems to me you miss out on a lot of great Amiga stuff if you don't have the AGA, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that OCS or ECS Amigas are comparible to a C64, they have much better games, apps, and graphics which blow a C64 away any day.
So for me I'd have to say either a towered a4000 or even a towered a1200 would be the best Amiga.
Any one local to me wanna trade ?
hmm... probably not, but I guess it doesn't hurt to ask. :-)
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The best was the 1000. It appears the "first" of something good is usually the best... (for a while at least... at least until the Amigaone with OS 4 comes out....)
Love the "garage" , the keyboard and the fact that the Amiga 1000 was truely something "different"....
Why I even remember spending $300 (US) for 1.5 MB of RAM...
I still even have my Amiga 1000... of course it is in storage... to protect the GREAT Amiga 1000....
I get it out time to time.... :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
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The best was the 1000. It appears the "first" of something good is usually the best... (for a while at least... at least until the Amigaone with OS 4 comes out....)
While the A1000 was way ahead of any other home computer or PC at the time , both the hardware and OS.
The A1 is just an obsolete, non inventive, hardware with an OS that tries to catch up to modern standards.
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This is yet another topic that everyone can be in on so here's my go. The best models are quite a few in my oppinion. A1000 obviously for being the first Amiga out there, A500 for being such a fine machine and a total hit, A1200 for it's great possibilities that makes it live on even today and A4000T for being the beefiest of 'em all.
Worst would probably go to A500+ and A600 because they were as stated before pointless to market with much more powerfull Amigas so close to follow. And then the two CD units cause they were simply flopps and never got out of the starting gridd.
On the other hand all Amigas are good if you got a use for them, nothing beats the A600 for the small jobbs when you run home to a friend for stuff and it's also a great machine to use for smaller hardware projects. A3000 with 030, scandoubler and scsi onboard as standard is also a great leep for the Amiga. I personaly like the A4000 alot aswell, sure it got it's flaws as many other Amigas but it's also the model closest to rival for the most beefy Amiga award and with a few $ it sure is up there. And a CDTV how old the specs might be still blend into the stereo rack and just wait to leep out and surprice a person or two. :-D
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The CD32 plays standard VCDs?
Yeah, but only if you got the FMV module attatched...
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I used to repair Amiga's and at one time or another have had every model but a 4000.
The 1000 had the keyboard that would slide under the main unit but it was a non-standard layout.
The 500... I must have replaced a bajillion 8520's from people plugging stuff in with the power on... same goes for the 1200. Definately not my favorite models but I do have a 1200.
600... could have been a great little game machine with AGA. Not upgradable enough.
4000... slow ATA interface even for the time, not much room in the case... but a decent machine.
A3000T. That big of a machine but with a vertical drive bay???? Otherwise good machine if you have the room.
A4000T, good machine... if you have the room.
CDTV... the CD caddy was a very bad idea and the machine was too limited as a computer.
CD-32.... too cheaply made... not really a computer.
And my favorite.... the 3000. Sure it didn't have enough room inside to do much and it used too many chips (making it more difficult to repair and it runs hot) but I like it. Too bad the AGA models weren't sold, that would have been the ideal Amiga.
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thanks odin your right! i just needed the narrator device.
later i will make a few prank phone calls to brothers and
wife family, he! he! he! thanks again...
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unclewilli-amigalover wrote:
thanks odin your right! i just needed the narrator device.
later i will make a few prank phone calls to brothers and
wife family, he! he! he! thanks again...
LOL Brillaint! I'll try that as well! :lol:
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Well, frankly, all Amigas are sheit.
So there.
The only computer worthy of the name computer is the Atari, especially the 520ST. It rules!
[nelson]Haha![/nelson]
Gotcha! :-D Honestly, I even had to google to get the Atari-model right, 540 or 520...
Well, my favourite, having to choose, is... well, I cant decide actually.
A1200, bacuse it was the first I owned.
A500 because everytime I see a picture of it I get warm at heart and rember a picture of it in a Hama-book with a Rocgen genlock attached to it. Thats why I wanted an Amiga at first, although I didn't get a genlock till I bought one myself a few months ago, a Rocgen (now these things are sheit :-P ).
A3000, because it so darn good-looking.
A4000, because I have one right now.
CD32, because I've started soldering on it.
When I think about it, I guess the 600 is the only that isn't easily expanded, and thus it's the most complete Amiga. When you get it, you know you can't expand it to any extent, that's as good as it gets*.
(*No, I dont want the amiga600.de-link thrown i my face :-) )
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IMHO, the only real stinker in the entire Amiga family would be the A600 due to it's limited compatibility and lack of expandability. Althought it does have the PCMCIA and IDE interface that help.
Some of the Amiga I own (or have owned):
A3000 - The best Amiga IMHO. Sure it lacked AGA, but with it's built in SCSI and Flicker Fixer made up for that.
A1200 - Love the form factor and expandability. Ihave a SD/FF, HD floppy, 20GB HD, PCMCIA NIC, Blizzard 060+SCSI, 128M RAM, all stuffed in the stock case (I feel towering defeats the purpose...).
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My list of the worst Amigas ever!
#4 A1200 - People say you can expand this quite well. But thats only aftere hundreds or thousands of dollars worth of cases, expansion slot add-ons, little PCB's that plug into other little PCB's that plug into other little PCB's so that you have this great big wobly tower that is made of PCB's and connectors. Too many hacks are needed. Yuck.
#3 A1000 - Great start, however it had crap expansion, and no proper kickstart.
#2 A500 - No internal HDD, crap expansion.
#1 A600 - Missing keys, pathetic expansion.
IMO lack of standard expansion options, decent screenmodes for serious computing, and ####ty non-os-compliant software are the reasons for the Amigas death.
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I have 2 A500's, an A1000,and an A2000. My favorite of that bunch is the A2000. None of these machines are in daily use now. I used an A3000 for awhile and I really liked it. I would hate to express an opionion about newer amigas than that. I would think that the A4000 tower has to be nice.
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I found quite a nice 600HD out of a trash pile. Works ok, but the HD was completely empty and i found no disks with it, so i'm running WB1.3 on it. But for some odd reason it won't run lemmings :(
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Ok, my list of favourites:
#1: A1200. Compact and yet easily expandable.
#2: A2000. Built like a tank. EXPANDABILITY!!!
#3: A3000D. Standard SCSI & FF. And a lovely case...
#4: A4000T. Repairs flaws of the A4000D. Easy to upgrade.
#5: A3000T. Easier to upgrade compared to the 'D'-model.
#6: A500(+). The right computer at the right time. Upgrades are plentifull, but take a hideous amount of deskspace.
#7: A4000D. Castrated design. But hey, it's fast and it has AGA.
#8: A1000. Hard to upgrade, but it's where it all started...
#9: A600. Compact but hard to upgrade.
At the moment, I have both the A1200 and the A2000. The A1200 is heavily expanded, but still in its original housing (with a four drive SCSI-tower, though). The A2000 has some uogrades to make life a little easier, nothing more.
I didn't mention the CDTV or the CD32, as I don't think of them as being 'complete' Amiga computers and therefor don't fit in with the list above.
As a sidenote, I'ld like to add that I like all the models I mentioned above, but this is my list of personal favorites. I would love to have all of them, but hey, lack of space...
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CU_AMiGA wrote:
unclewilli-amigalover wrote:
thanks odin your right! i just needed the narrator device.
later i will make a few prank phone calls to brothers and
wife family, he! he! he! thanks again...
LOL Brillaint! I'll try that as well! :lol:
Oh the fun I had as an 11 year old kid typing in rude Dutch words ;-).
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Oh! What about that Walker thingy? What was all that about? What happened to it? I remember looking at it in a magazine a few years ago (maybe Amiga Format) and they were crowing on about it and how it looks! :-)
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Considering the fact that I still have a working A500 THAT WAS FOUND IN THE TRASH!
Hardly anything will kill an old Amiga, except me :-)
I must say the Access is quite cool as well ;-)
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Re: narrator.device
Hee hee. I used that to record voicemail greetings. Good times. :-)
Re: Amigas
As for the different Amiga models... (Did I already respond to this thread?)
I think every Amiga has its place somewhere.
The A600 and A1000 are aesthetically pleasing. The 600 has a nice compact design and the 1000 has the Keyboard garage. Plus the 600 is luggable.
The 500 made the Amiga available to mass markets.
The 1200 is insanely expandable. It's a machine you can grow with and upgrade as your needs require.
The 2000 is the only desktop machine with a huge case for expansion cards/drives. Helped bring in the Toaster, establishing the professional video market.
The 3000(T) has onboard FF and SCSI with a small desktop footprint.
The 4000 introduced AGA.
The 4000T is the pentultimate productivity machine.
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jdiffend wrote:
CDTV... the CD caddy was a very bad idea and the machine was too limited as a computer.
OT: What ever was the point in CD Caddys? I remember the Macs at school about 10 years ago had them too. But what was the big idea?