Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: CHR74 on April 13, 2009, 12:05:55 AM
Title: is wb1.3 tcp/ip capable? how?
Post by: CHR74 on April 13, 2009, 12:05:55 AM
is wb1.3 tcp/ip capable? how?
Title: Re: is wb1.3 tcp/ip capable? how?
Post by: actung_bab on April 13, 2009, 12:22:06 AM
l somehow doubt it but if the software runs on it like miami i guess it whould be much easier to upgrade to wb 3.1 though :-?
Title: Re: is wb1.3 tcp/ip capable? how?
Post by: CHR74 on April 13, 2009, 12:27:59 AM
Well, I know newer releases can connect to the internet. But that is not the aim of my quest. By the way.. c64 can connect through tcp/ip so I think wb1.3 should be at least capable..
Title: Re: is wb1.3 tcp/ip capable? how?
Post by: Amiga1200PPC on April 13, 2009, 03:26:10 AM
Try to install an older Version of AmiTCP.
Title: Re: is wb1.3 tcp/ip capable? how?
Post by: Trev on April 13, 2009, 05:02:16 AM
You'll need to qualify what you mean by "capable." uIP can run on an Amiga 500, but no one's implemented bsdsocket.library (the de facto standard on the Amiga) on top of it.
The other stacks (AS225, I-Net 225, AmiTCP, et al) require Kickstart 2.x or higher.
Title: Re: is wb1.3 tcp/ip capable? how?
Post by: CHR74 on April 13, 2009, 09:41:28 AM
You mean the fabled amiga isn't going to open an ftp under wb 1.3 ? Let's say I want to install an HD on a A2000 and connect it to an ftp under wb1.3 to download software.. no cigar ?
Title: Re: is wb1.3 tcp/ip capable? how?
Post by: PPC on April 13, 2009, 10:05:38 AM
With WB 1.3 it's going to be a challenge to run a tcp/ip stack, upgrading the A2000 rom's to 3.1 and then installing genesis/amitcp/miami is most definitive the easy way.
Title: Re: is wb1.3 tcp/ip capable? how?
Post by: CHR74 on April 13, 2009, 10:16:49 AM
I'm not looking for an easy way. the easiest way is to use my pc...
Title: Re: is wb1.3 tcp/ip capable? how?
Post by: Daedalus on April 13, 2009, 11:24:47 AM
I guess the answer is no then. I don't know of any TCP using software that doesn't require BSDSocket.library, so without that you effectively can't run an FTP server or anything else. In theory it should be quite possible, but will involve coding a BSDSocket-compatible TCP stack, or else your writing your own FTP server with integrated TCP/IP.
Title: Re: is wb1.3 tcp/ip capable? how?
Post by: CHR74 on April 13, 2009, 11:36:27 PM
I don't want to run an ftp server. I'm on the client side.
Title: Re: is wb1.3 tcp/ip capable? how?
Post by: actung_bab on April 13, 2009, 11:45:56 PM
what about parnet and sernet software l know these are slow but they work or even what l do use null modem cable between your amiga and your pc . dont use hyperterminal its nasty there better dos ones or else try track down simeses system that way u can have you amiga wb on your pc screen l ran it years ago was amazing still is l feel you can run this over tcp serial even scsi conection good luck with you plans keep us informed sounds intresting project
Title: Re: is wb1.3 tcp/ip capable? how?
Post by: pVC on April 14, 2009, 04:33:16 PM
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CHR74 wrote: You mean the fabled amiga isn't going to open an ftp under wb 1.3 ? Let's say I want to install an HD on a A2000 and connect it to an ftp under wb1.3 to download software.. no cigar ?
I have softkicked my 1.3 A2000 (1M chip, 8M fast, Hydra Amiganet 1.1 card) to 3.1 and run AmiTCP with it :) Soo.. it can be done without upgrading the actual hardware, but not under 1.3.
Title: Re: is wb1.3 tcp/ip capable? how?
Post by: cpfuture on April 14, 2009, 05:09:10 PM
Actually, there is a TCP/IP solution for Workbench 1.3, but it's very limited in its flexibility. It's called AmigaNOS, an Amiga port of the Network Operating System program, originally released on the PC. It's a standalone environment, which incorporates SLIP/PPP, the TCP/IP stack and several applications that you can use from within the AmigaNOS environment like FTP, which is what you're interested in. It doesn't have an API, at least none that I know of, so there's no way to use software that expects a bsdsocket interface (even if you would be able to run it at all under Kickstart 1.3). You're stuck with the features/programs the program has to offer.
I've unsuccesfully tried to get the program running in the past, just for the heck of it, but couldn't get the PPP connection working. To make things more complicated, there are several versions of AmigaNOS floating around, some of which support SLIP but not PPP. There's a version of AmigaNOS on ye ol' Aminet, IIRC. Good luck if you do give it a try and let us know if you have any luck getting it to work!
Title: Re: is wb1.3 tcp/ip capable? how?
Post by: Ilwrath on April 14, 2009, 06:29:52 PM
I believe that the AS225r1 TCP/IP package (Might have come with the C= 2065 card) should be AmigaDOS 1.3 compatible. Good luck finding it, though. (If anyone has a copy, please let me know!)
Also, I think one of the very early AmiTCP versions ran on 1.3, as well.
Anyhow, you're in for a real adventure... These tools were not common, and networking wasn't very standardized back in the days of AmigaDOS 1.3. Sounds like fun! ;-)
Title: Re: is wb1.3 tcp/ip capable? how?
Post by: odin on April 14, 2009, 07:15:48 PM
I might be mistaken, but doesn't TermiteTCP work on 1.3?
Title: Re: is wb1.3 tcp/ip capable? how?
Post by: CHR74 on April 15, 2009, 10:25:27 AM
the oldest tcp software I found is from 1988: http://aminet.net/comm/tcp/AmigaTCP.lha
There's a net.exe prg that has ftp support. You need to set an ip address with ipaddr and attach some hardware with attach .. eg. (from the manual)
The net software supports the 3Com 3C500 or 3C501 boards for the PC. The command to attach this board is:
attach 3c500 0x300 3 arpa ec0 5 1500
This tells net that there is a 3Com 3C500 board at I/O address 300h using interrupt request line 3 with the media name ec0. Net should reserve five buffers and the largest Ethernet packet may be 1500 bytes long.
Now.. since I am trying this one under winuae I guess there should be a way to attach the uaenet.device which is a sana2 or something ..
Here's what I found in the source (main.c)
#ifdef NETROM /* NET/ROM virtual interface using companion asy interface in AX.25 mode */ "netrom", netrom_attach, 4, "attach netrom ax25
Title: Re: is wb1.3 tcp/ip capable? how?
Post by: cpfuture on April 15, 2009, 04:34:14 PM
That package is based on KA9Q which is basically the same as NOS. If you search for AmigaNOS on Aminet, you'll find more recent versions of this port that still work on 1.3. AFAIK KA9Q/NOS doesn't adhere to SANA-II. I'm also not sure how far you'll get with WinUAE, but it's worth a try.
Title: Re: is wb1.3 tcp/ip capable? how?
Post by: LoadWB on April 16, 2009, 09:59:11 AM
Back in my 1.3 days I used TermiteTCP.
Title: Re: is wb1.3 tcp/ip capable? how?
Post by: CHR74 on April 16, 2009, 10:10:12 AM
with an ethernet card ?
Title: Re: is wb1.3 tcp/ip capable? how?
Post by: CHR74 on April 16, 2009, 10:18:18 AM
yes.. this NOS thing works under 1.3.. however the main problem is attaching the uaenet.device.