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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Amithony on April 01, 2009, 11:44:57 AM

Title: Solid state hard drives and the Amiga?
Post by: Amithony on April 01, 2009, 11:44:57 AM
Has anyone got one to work somehow yet? If it makes a PC feel lightning fast, imagine what it could do for an Ami :)
Title: Re: Solid state hard drives and the Amiga?
Post by: orange on April 01, 2009, 12:43:27 PM
unfortunately, Amiga will probably 'miss that boat' since most of them are SATA.

thats why we all use CF..
Title: Re: Solid state hard drives and the Amiga?
Post by: Painkiller on April 01, 2009, 12:45:07 PM
There are plenty of IDE SSDs that should work with Amiga out of the box. One can also use CF-IDE adapter which will work also.
Title: Re: Solid state hard drives and the Amiga?
Post by: Tumbleweed on April 01, 2009, 01:14:46 PM
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orange wrote:
unfortunately, Amiga will probably 'miss that boat' since most of them are SATA.

thats why we all use CF..


if you've got a Deneb, you could use a USB to SATA adapter, the limiting factor would be the speed on the USB side. On an A4000 in DMA mode the transfer speed would be pretty good relative to the intenal IDE.
Title: Re: Solid state hard drives and the Amiga?
Post by: JimmySage on April 01, 2009, 01:45:36 PM
I'd save your money. You'll never go any faster than your interface.

I only get 6Mb/s from my IDEExpress - FastATA IV claims 16.6 on their web site. I'm not sure what you can get out of Amiga SCSI or USB, but I'm sure it's never going to be close to the 300Mb/s that SATA2 can reach.
Title: Re: Solid state hard drives and the Amiga?
Post by: djbase on April 01, 2009, 02:05:40 PM
I have a Transcend 32GB SSD in my Amiga 1200 (http://www.amigaworld.de/blog/solid-state-disk/) on B1260 SCSI Kit and get 9 MB/s (thats nearly the max. of that SCSI Kit). So in my case it is very useful. Not cheap but useful.
Title: Re: Solid state hard drives and the Amiga?
Post by: terminator4 on April 02, 2009, 06:10:34 AM
@JimmySage

Well said.  I always find it wasteful putting a newer IDE hard disk in Amiga, or any SCSI3 or SCA drives in Amiga, b/c the speed is never utilized.  Nothing cool in that.
Title: Re: Solid state hard drives and the Amiga?
Post by: krize on April 02, 2009, 07:04:08 AM
Its actually very cool! You get 4gb and bigger drives now, no mechanical parts is a dream come true for me....

I will get one (or more)..
Title: Re: Solid state hard drives and the Amiga?
Post by: amiga1260 on April 02, 2009, 07:24:53 AM
I use a IDE2CF adapter with a SanDisk Extreme III 4 GB in my A1200.

With same fast memory 2.1 MB/s
With a 1220/4 3.2 MB/s

Measured with Sysinfo.

Title: Re: Solid state hard drives and the Amiga?
Post by: djbase on April 02, 2009, 07:49:26 AM
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terminator4 wrote:
@JimmySage

Well said.  I always find it wasteful putting a newer IDE hard disk in Amiga, or any SCSI3 or SCA drives in Amiga, b/c the speed is never utilized.  Nothing cool in that.


Well, yes and no. Of course you won't reach the max. data throughput of the drives but flash drives will beat every mechanical drive at access time. Also they run cooler and without any noise. So with a flash drive (like SSD, CF,...) you will get some nice advantages.
Title: Re: Solid state hard drives and the Amiga?
Post by: spirantho on April 02, 2009, 08:05:52 AM
SSDs aren't much faster than normal disks, but the access times are where they make up the ground. Hence you'll still see things speed up a lot even if your current disk maxes out your bus.

For what it's worth, I have an OCZ series 2 SSD (30GB) in my 600MHz Sam440, and it reads 90MB/Sec.

As you can imagine, that system is no slouch....
Title: Re: Solid state hard drives and the Amiga?
Post by: MozzerFan on April 02, 2009, 09:39:03 AM
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DJBase wrote:
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terminator4 wrote:
@JimmySage

Well said.  I always find it wasteful putting a newer IDE hard disk in Amiga, or any SCSI3 or SCA drives in Amiga, b/c the speed is never utilized.  Nothing cool in that.


Well, yes and no. Of course you won't reach the max. data throughput of the drives but flash drives will beat every mechanical drive at access time. Also they run cooler and without any noise. So with a flash drive (like SSD, CF,...) you will get some nice advantages.


Those are exactly the reasons why I put A 2 GB SSD in my A500 HD8+. I didn't do it for the speed. The HD8+ SCSI controller maxes out at 3.5 MB/s anyway (BTW I'm getting 2 MB/s with the SSD), but the silent operation of the drive and the SSD running cooler and using less power were my main reasons for putting it in my HD8+.

I tried a CF adapter, but it wouldn't work with my sandisk ultra II 2 GB card (got write errors), but it would work perfectly with an old 128 MB Toshiba CF card.
I didn't want to try out all kinds of different brands of CF cards, so I just put in an SSD.
Title: Re: Solid state hard drives and the Amiga?
Post by: Amithony on April 02, 2009, 10:42:49 AM
Im still stewing over a Sam440 while they still exist, problem is its always out of stock. Quite dissapointing, though sticking a SSD in there is something i am dying to try. :) Anyone got one they want to offload perchance? :)
Title: Re: Solid state hard drives and the Amiga?
Post by: Amithony on April 02, 2009, 11:01:25 AM
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DJBase wrote:
I have a Transcend 32GB SSD in my Amiga 1200 (http://www.amigaworld.de/blog/solid-state-disk/) on B1260 SCSI Kit and get 9 MB/s (thats nearly the max. of that SCSI Kit). So in my case it is very useful. Not cheap but useful.


How much did that end up costing you?
Title: Re: Solid state hard drives and the Amiga?
Post by: spirantho on April 02, 2009, 12:22:23 PM
The SAM was £400 I think (in stock now, I believe), the SSD card was about £85 or so. Still a lot cheaper in real terms than my first A500....
Title: Re: Solid state hard drives and the Amiga?
Post by: djbase on April 02, 2009, 12:25:49 PM
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Amithony wrote:
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DJBase wrote:
I have a Transcend 32GB SSD in my Amiga 1200 (http://www.amigaworld.de/blog/solid-state-disk/) on B1260 SCSI Kit and get 9 MB/s (thats nearly the max. of that SCSI Kit). So in my case it is very useful. Not cheap but useful.


How much did that end up costing you?


I paid 75 Euro for the 32GB SSD.