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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: Skippy on September 13, 2003, 08:59:26 PM
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This is a little on going project of mine and I was just looking for a little help from the Amiga community.
Basically looking for vintage stuff, commercial [yes i know!!], PD, Shareware etc.
Stuff like NoiseTracker, Soundtracker, Xcopy, Dpaint etc the late 80s and early 90s.
Maybe when you have a minute look through my software directory (http://www.amigarealm.com/index2.htm) and see if you have anything I am missing.
If so visit the software archive (http://www.amigarealm.com/softarch.htm) section for instructions on how to contribute.
For help with using FTP clients visit my faq internet applications (http://www.amigarealm.com/computing/nkb7.htm) sections with links to popular clients.
Thanks for your support!!
Skippy
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At last count, I have over 1000 vintage (mid to late 80s) Amiga DD disks, full of commercial software. Including: SideWinder, Gods, Silkworm, DiskMaster, AMax, Pagestream V1.5, etc. I probably have every Amiga program that was released in the 80s. I personally am looking for Workbench 2.04 (all 4 disks). Every time I have bid on these on eBay, I was outbid. If you need a vintage Amiga program, lets talk buying or trading. :-D
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Hey I have a set of original 2.1 disks with the 2.04 superkickstart disk from softwarehut when I upgraded a 3000 years ago. Email me an off.
Stew
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doommaster: so gods are from the 80's ? , please go check again.. IT say's something diffrent on the box.
skippy: why not get in touch with c.A.p.S since you obviously need someone to do the work for you (and they are getting huge) .
cheers
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Hi DoomMaster,
Not at all interested in games, but if you have a list of applications available then sure contact me.
One of my main reasons to archive such software is to restore my lost collection.
Basically mid 90's in my haste to have a house clearance I stupidly binned literally thousands of disks of Amiga software both PD and purchased commercials, something I will regret for the rest of my life...
The likes of such software has since been bettered and surpassed...
My reasons are not intended for financial gain nor acts of piracy, but to perserve a little history, being more of an 'old skool' Amiga user who is rekindling a little bit of nostalgia.
El' Skippo
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"My reasons are not intended for financial gain nor acts of piracy"
If I send you a copy of something via ftp is n't that piracy? I know the spirit in which you are asking but could a sender be in violation? Why not offer to but for the price of shipping and be all legal?
Stew
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>Please help support this project [...] either .dms the disk or .lha the files then upload them
This is the first time I have heard software piracy described as "a little on going project of mine" ;)
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To lempkee:
Yes, I received a pre-release commercial copy of the game Gods in 1989 for beta testing. Gods was released in Europe toward the end of 1989. It was released in the US in 1990 and won Game of the Year! Gods also won a few Gold Awards in Europe and Game of the Year in several gaming magazines. Gods was also released for the Super Nintendo in 1991 to 1992. Many 2nd releases of the game was released for the Amiga and Atari ST computers around the same time that the SNES version hit the market. :-D
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@Stew, yeah I guess offering a fee for the software would seem a reasonable approach.
@Dieter
I guess it does appear odd. Maybe do as stew mentioned above...
Uploading Public Domain material would be no different from uploading to Aminet and obviously any commercial stuff I buy, this sound more feasable?
Skippy
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Personally I think that Skippy's idea's a good one in principle. I was thinking to myself about how cool it'd be to have adfs of all the coverdisks etc I have lying around cluttering up the place archived on a hard disk...
P.S. Skippy, doesn't your avatar breach the posting guidelines :-P Or does it not because it isn't a 'post'
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@Cyberus
Nothing wrong with Marco Masini. If you've got lot's of old Amigacover disks you might like to know that there are websites dedicated to archiving them.
For example:
http://nthdimension.emuunlim.com/
This 'was' a useful site:
http://www.magazines.ch/
until it closed down.
Why do people put so much effort into a good website then throw it all away!? It can still be found at archive.org
Ciao,
Sto Skippo
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Well it was more the word written across the image in blue letters. I trust you know what it means?
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@Cyberus
[history lesson]
Critics said that Marco was a symbol of misfortune -- a loser, a moaner, a pessimist, a corrupter of teenagers, a singer that sang about a life too black, a singer that led his listeners into depression and even to suicide!!
After two years of silence Marco couldn't contain his temper any longer.
Although his collaborators warned him that he might ruin his image, Marco vented his rage in a song he released on his 1993 album 'T'innamorerai" called "Vaffanculo / F*CK OFF!".
His critics didn't notice that every day Marco Masini received dozens of letters from teenagers telling him how much his songs were a relief in moments of discouragement.
Besides many drug-addicts, teenagers told him in their letters that his songs helped themselves realize where they were and that they wanted to crawl out of the pit of drugs.
[/history lesson]
Ciao,
Skippy
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Whilst I'm quite happy to hear about Marco, I don't need to be patronised by one of your 'history
lessons'.
I was merely trying to playfully allude to the fact that you had vulgar language in your avatar, and as such is a violation of the posting guidelines (not that I care, I was just trying to pull your leg), I wasn't making a personal attack..
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@Cyberus,
Wow! imagine how many people I'd patronise if I was a history teacher!
[history lesson #2]
The word 'vaffanculo' is hardly vulgar [rude maybe] it literally translates as 'it goes in ass' or sometimes referred to as 'go do it with your ass';
You could say:
'va a fa in culo' = 'it goes to it does in ass'.
'andate tutti a 'fanculo' = 'all gone to ass'.
'vai in culo / vada via in culo' = 'it goes/ in ass'.
Now if my avatar read as 'f*ca, f*ga or maybe p*ttana' then that would be considered vulgar.
[/history lesson #2]
Me ne vado, ciao; ma vaffanculo :-o
Basta Skippy! Basta!
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@DoomMaster
Yes, I received a pre-release commercial copy of the game Gods in 1989 for beta testing. Gods was released in Europe toward the end of 1989. It was released in the US in 1990 and won Game of the Year! Gods also won a few Gold Awards in Europe and Game of the Year in several gaming magazines. Gods was also released for the Super Nintendo in 1991 to 1992. Many 2nd releases of the game was released for the Amiga and Atari ST computers around the same time that the SNES version hit the market.
The Bitmap Brothers claim the game was first released in March 1991 for the Atari ST, Amiga, Archimedes and the PC. And ported to the Mega Drive (Genesis) and SNES in 1992. My bet is that they have a pretty good idea when they released their game.
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Converting every Amiga DD possible to an ADF is a very worthwhile project.
I know that it will be considered by many as piracy, or at least breach of the copyright. But these old disk are degrading every day... they must be saved!!!
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@Cyberus
that is the original cover of Masini's song.
That "vulgar language in your avatar" is the title of a Masini song not by Skippy.
The question should be:
1-Why has him chosen that avatar?
2- Why if i wite #### the AO system ghost it? while if i write cock, not?
Ciao
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@Doommaster
I never could figure out why GODS would not fully display the snake sprites on my rev 6.2 A2000 Pro Computer, do they on yours?
Lo
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Ciao Framiga e ciao a tutti belli e brutti popolo,
1: I have chosen the avatar because I love the music of Marco Masini, the songs 'Vaffanculo e Bella Stronza' mean something to me. Marco is a very talented musician with powerful lyrics and beautiful rock music.
2: The 'ghosting' of foul/vulgar language it determined by the administrators by simply adding the swear word to a database.
Italy has a lot of very good musical talent.
Listen to:
[rap e hip hop]
99Posse/Bisca, Colle der Fomento e Dj Gruff.
[electronica]
Subsonica
[rock]
Marco Masini e Daniele Silvestri [love]
[comedy]
Gem Boy 'F.I.G.A'
Ascolta Radio Deejay e Guarda TV @ http://www.deejay.it
Skippy
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I you can help but you can help saying me where can find Vectorballs Editor by Data Becker?
In 1991 it represented fundamental instrument for the realization of
demo with RSI Demo Maker.......
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To bloodline:
You are right about that, the vintage Amiga software must be saved! :-D
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To Lo:
Try running Gods using Kickstart / Workbench 1.3 and if the sprites still do not display properly, then use a Rev 4.x motherboard. Many of the vintage Amiga games do not like the ECS Chip Set. They prefer the OCS Chip Set. :-P
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Hey everybody:
After checking my files I have discovered that I am wrong about the dates I posted on the whole Gods issue. Just add about 1 1/2 years to those dates I listed (excluding the SNES dates, they are correct). Then the text will be correct. :-D
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Personally, I think any software no longer available via commercial means is abandonware, thus free of copyright. If I can't buy it from a retailer, how else am I supposed to get it? It's like a ship with no crew in international waters.
Now say I have purchased this software, and the disks go bad... With no manufacturer to contact for a replacement, and no one bothers archiving it... It's gone forever!
Software archiving saves our platform and community. It's preservation, not piracy.
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Despite 'locking horns' with Skippy over a lil' misunderstanding at the beginning of the thread....and biting my tongue to avoid a battle of the egos ;-) , I think it is a really good idea.
One aspect that perhaps people haven't mentioned, is even if you do have working copies of software...the amount of space it all takes up! I'll be glad to get shot of all these disk boxes, that's for sure!
What can I do to help, Skippy?
edit: Doh! Reading your original post would be a good start!
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@zeeb100,
I haven't got the 'Vectorballs Editor by Data Becker'. I did a google.com and aminet search and came up with nothing but manuals and reviews.
@Cyberus,
'Battle of the egos', I think we had a misunderstanding, sorry if I came across as patronising.
'What can I do to help?', get archiving those disks and upload them to AR!
As Dr_Righteous mentioned, it is a good idea, there are lots of people out there seeking replacements for lost or damaged disks even myself. Disks don't last forever, which was the reason I started archiving mine when I discovered my originals had developed faults.
I recieve lots of requests from Amiga Users who are
trying to find replacements.
I made a back up of this coverdisk archive at nthdimension.emuunlim.com because it hadn't been updated for so long. Seemed a waste for so much work to disappear and website do.
http://www.amigarealm.com/archives/welcome.htm
is another project of mine to preserve internet websites.
If you think you can help visit:
http://www.amigarealm.com/softarch.htm
Cheers,
Skippy
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Okay I have been to your website, and it's really a cool project but just where is all this software going to? Does it get made available to people who are looking for it..
How does it work, the info is still not clear to me. Let's say I want to get a replacement for my Pro Page 4.0 disks would you have it?
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Bugger! I threw away a lot of disks after I sold my miggies. (please don't hurt me!)
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Would it help to rewrite the magnetic disks, thus renewing the (ummm, I dunknow) magnetic flux of the original disk? If so would I risk screwing it up because of some copy protection scheme. I screwed up my Maxiplan master disk trying to change the icons on it to the 2.0 dos colour scheme.
I'm now leery of CD-Rs after seeing that some degrade after as little as 2 years.
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@DonnyEMU ,
'Okay I have been to your website, and it's really a cool project but just where is all this software going to? '
It states on the website here (http://www.amigarealm.com/softarch.htm) that when the software is submitted it is virus checked then added to the appropriate section of my website.
'Does it get made available to people who are looking for it..'
Ofcourse. I am a little bit reserved about the commercial 'abandonedware' software at the moment with regards
to piracy, these files have been RARed and encrypted with a unique password.
Old commercial software has been archived as it is no longer available [retailers] or supported [developers]
IE: Deluxe Paint I, II, II, IV, V.
You're not gonna find Image FX etc, however, you will find a link to either an official website or a retail stockist for that product.
RE: 'would you have it?'
All depends on the amount of support from visitors, much like peer2peer sharing, the more people shared and contributed the more everyone benefits.
What is currently available in my software archive is everything I have on disks here and that's just one person [me] helping others. Imagine if everyone contributed a couple of files.
Again, I must stress I am only looking for the more vintage stuff, plus drivers (http://www.amigarealm.com/amiga/amios/ops11.htm) even old manuals.
Skippy
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Okay, let me step in where the angels fear to tread. Here in the good ol' US of A, in the little state of Vermont, I have a small collection of CU Amiga and Amiga Format coverdisks -- on CD! They cover a period of 1997-98 and include demos and full functioning software, like DOpus 5.11. I'd like to make these resources available to Amiga users worldwide, free of charge, but I don't want to engage in piracy. However, I'm not a lawyer and really have no idea what is legal and what isn't in this case; so many of the former companies have either folded or have moved on to Mac or Blue-type. I tried a coverdisk website (http://amigacoverdisks.emuunlim.com/) but got no response to my E-mail. If anyone has ideas or wants to work with me on this, let me know.
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If someone could point me to where I could get the game Enlightenment I'd be really happy :) I loved that game when I had it on the C64, and the Amiga version looked even better. I'm sure someone here has it in a shoebox in their attic?
Damien
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Thanks for the info, I will have to explore your site more. I want to find a good way to move LEGAL copies of software I own (and I have a lot of it) to ADF format so I can use on an emulator so I can finally put some of the old amigas to rest..
Deluxe Paint V is pretty cool.. I had the author even send me the activation code I lost over time to make it work. I just wanna move my gold disk stuff (yep they aren't around anymore) and some other stuff over (like the very expensive superbase pro that I actually bought and have some old geneology stored on it)..
-Don
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One of the guys I work with is part of the CaPs project - (he sometimes comes on here under the name of SpecFreak.) if that helps. He's always buying old Disks and stuff off Ebay and preserving the data.
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@mycroft69,
That website has been inactive since FEB of this year hence my decision to rip it incase it went down.
@Bobsonsirjonny,
I do the same as the webmaster of CAPS, I go to carboots, jumble sales, charity shops etc hunting out old Amiga and Spectrum software.
The Spectrum stuff goes in the loft for storage, plus I contribute any missing disks to World of Spectrum (http://www.void.jump.org/archive.html) and the Amiga stuff is virus checked then archived and uploaded to my site.
Skippy
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Thanks for the clarification, skippy. Please forgive me for my slowness, but I'm not sure my offer was acknowledged. I have at least 30 CDs for 2 English mags and am offering the data free of charge to anyone who is archiving and making the data available for general downloads -- as long as this action on my part is legal. I understand that such extensive data may be a problem for uploading, but perhaps other arrangements could be worked out.
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@mycroft69,
Cool, I'd be more than happy to archive your CDs.
Contact me via email to sort out some arrangements.
PS: I'm from BRISTOL, UK and you're from BRISTOL, USA - wierd.
Thanks for your support dude.
Skippy
Be nice if a few more people would get off their arses and help instead of bitching about piracy.
My first post included software from the Public Domain and Shareware sectors.
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@DoomMaster,
DoomMaster! What happened to your military grade helmet?
whabang wrote:
Bugger! I threw away a lot of disks after I sold my miggies. (please don't hurt me!)
:shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
*FAINTS*
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Thanks for the support so far people, appreciated...
Received a lot of emails and uploads, many people have help me in my quest for old, rare and missing software.
Very pleased with the feedback and support so far.
Cheers and I must stress that all your efforts have made a big difference.
Thank you :-)
Cheers,
Skippy
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That really is a cool site Skippy, I haven't got round to going through my software yet, but I'll see what I can do to help
Keep up the good work!