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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: tony23 on September 11, 2003, 11:26:02 AM
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Urgent . Critical Update for users of windoze
Users of Windows machines are urged once again to do the microsoft two step and update the latest security patch. Issued Sept. 10 2003
"New threats to your computer's security like Blaster and Sobig are emerging all the time. Use the links below to install the latest Microsoft® Windows® and Microsoft Office updates and to help ensure that your computer is protected."
Install the update below, and then take three steps to help Protect Your PC.
Quote Microsoft
"Why We Are Issuing This Update.
A security issue has been identified that could allow an attacker to remotely compromise a computer running Microsoft® Windows® and gain complete control over it. You can help protect your computer by installing this update from Microsoft."
This is yet another critical update for users of windows OS
here....
http://www.microsoft.com
here...
http://www.microsoft.com/security/
and here...
http://www.microsoft.com/security/security_bulletins/ms03-039.asp
Follow the Microbloat road...
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Thnx for the warning :-)
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ya know some good has actually come out of all these viruses. The windows engineers have finaly been given something to do , a reason to look into actually attempt at fixing windows ;)
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Hi Kees,
Quote..
Thnx for the warning :-)
No prob / your welcome, better warn others, don't want to see eveyone getting hacked or whatever.
I didn't know where to post it though, maybe put it up as news ?
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submit it here :-)
http://amiga.org/modules/news/submit.php
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windows shall die , that is its destiny.
btw how big is windows now ? , it must be twice the size of what it was on its first release :)
i urge ya all to not upgrade, just let it die.
go AMIGA instead :)
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ya know some good has actually come out of all these viruses. The windows engineers have finaly been given something to do , a reason to look into actually attempt at fixing windows ;)
Nope, they just fix the vulnerabilities when they present themselves.
Presumably when you say 'engineers' you mean people working on the OS development rather than sysadmins?
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btw how big is windows now ? , it must be twice the size of what it was on its first release :)
Using the liberal estimate of an early version of Windows' footprint, the current version (XP) is over 30 times larger :-)
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Imagine installing XP from floppy :-D
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Hmm.. Keepin windowse-PC turned of (and behind firewalls etc..) keeps
getting better idea each day...
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@ that_punk_guy
Hey thanks, just made me think to check the size of my system,When I first installed XP Pro I thought a 6 Gig drive would be sufficient, but no..
My XP Pro with all updates and patches now weighs in at 5.55 Gigs. All my programs are on a separate drive but windows still puts a lot of files onto the system disk. Seems I've got some serious cleaning up to do on the system disk now because I need some free space for the VM.
Even though the original install took about 3 Gigs of space it has grown this large in no time at all. XP would be even more of a nightmare if you had to install from floppies. :-x
Anyways thanks again punk_guy . : )
Now I'm off to stop this OS from bloating anymore.
Anyone got a hammer ?
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mikeymike: size does matter on pc :) , seriously it just shows what kind of bloatware it is :)
doom them all , there is a new prince seeking the crown and he aint evil nor bloated ..let him conquror the world :)
anyway 30times bigger...awesome lol... heaps of code in there, or maybe i should say heaps of bugs :)
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hey! MircoShaft!
Install THIS....
(picture a certain part of the masculine anatomy)
:lol:
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tony23 wrote:
Anyways thanks again punk_guy . : )
erm... don't mention it :-D he he
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You guys are real geniuses, I like going to windows update or having the "you have new updates to install" icon pop up in my system tray. The security update thing is a good one. Imagine having a platform that you can't get an important update automatically online. It saves me time and money and I don't have to worry that some idiot has attacked my machine and in the least I have lost all of my work.
Windows update is good, I'd rather know about problems and have them give me a good fix than not and get caught with a virus or some malicious code..
SCORE 1 for Windows.. How do you call an update bloat ware when the updater that runs only downloads "exactly" the files you need for the update require and does it automatically for you..
For those of you who think there aren't plenty of bugs or reasons for having this in any other OS, maybe your OS doesn't have to do so much for so many..
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lempkee wrote:
btw how big is windows now ? , it must be twice the size of what it was on its first release :)
A buddy of mine just got a new laptop with XP. Upon unpacking it he installed his virus checker & ran it. With nothing on the hard drive but XP and the virus checker, the check reported over 40,000 files! :-P
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How do you call an update bloat ware when the updater that runs only downloads "exactly" the files you need for the update require and does it automatically for you..
you really think it's THAT easy - or safe?
the main reason i have no virus's or other issues with my windows2000 is because I use ZoneAlarm, Opera and have NEVER used Outlook and don't use IE.
And I don't install programs unless I really need them. so it's a fairly "clean" system.
but i'm paranoid, :-D
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@ DonnyEMU
I think most people here realise that not everything is great about Windows, nor is everything about it bad. There is no need for the endless advocacy.
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@all
Hi!
I have a little problem here. This is all I get from that (M$) site...
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Thank you for your interest in Windows Update
Windows Update is the online extension of Windows that helps you get the most out of your computer.
You need to be running a version of Internet Explorer 5 or higher in order to use Windows Update.
Download the latest version of Internet Explorer
Once Internet Explorer is installed, you can go to the Windows Update site by typing http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com into the address bar of Internet Explorer.
If you prefer to use a different Web browser, updates to Windows may be downloaded from the Microsoft Download Center.
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I'm running Opera and I don't have IE (I have erase it, also auto update). OK, a question, where is the exe file of the update on M$ site?
Thank you, I really appreciate this!!!
levelLORD
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@ levelLORD
There is no "exe file for Windows Update", it's all done through ActiveX controls for IE.
Your only choice is to go to the MS security site (http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/current.asp), and download updates relevant to your OS and MS software that you run.
MS service packs are available at the subsites per MS OS, for example, http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/ (http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/) has Win2k service packs. From that site I think there are links to other MS OSs.
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Thanks MikeyMike!
I found .exe file (patch for Blaster Worm), thanks to the link that you gave me, that I was looking for!!! ;)
If someone is having similar problems like me, here is executable:
(URL edited by mikeymike to stop over-stretchy window :-))
This patch is for Win2K. (http://download.microsoft.com/download/0/1/f/01fdd40f-efc5-433d-8ad2-b4b9d42049d5/Windows2000-KB823980-x86-ENU.exe)
@MikeyMike
OK, Is that patch included with SP4 (I'm running Win2K) or not?
I'm really grateful for that link, thanks again!!!
levelLORD
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@ levelLORD
OK, Is that patch included with SP4 (I'm running Win2K) or not?
Nope. Some anti-DCOM stuff (such as allowing the user to properly disable DCOM see here (my site) (http://www.legolas.com/wac/library.html), which will now guard better against new DCOM vulns, has been included in SP4 however.
I'm running SP4, was running SP2, not noticed any problems.
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Thanks again! Ok, I have W2K SP4, but was thinking that update is included w/SP4. Now I just learned, it is not. Thanks for pointing that!
Nice tips you have there, at your's site, didn't see them before, but I wasn't looking hard enough, I guess.
OK, take care
levelLORD
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;-) As MikeyMike mentioned, the update is all done remotely, by Microsoft. This, then, is the reason that hackers can gain complete control of your machine remotely: Windows is designed to be controlled remotely. Hackers have figured out how to usurp the built-in remote controls from Microsoft.
An OS that supports locking out the fellow in front of it has merit in an office environment where the company handles sensitive data and theft is a real concern. However, the ability to lock out the end user is inappropriate in an operating system used in the home.
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Here goes: my 1000th post :-)
@ Quixote
As MikeyMike mentioned, the update is all done remotely, by Microsoft.
No, I would say the work is about half and half between client and server. When an IE user first goes to the WU site, they get prompted to install ActiveX controls for WU. These do the detection work (registry hits to determine patched status, as well as OS identification). This data gets sent back to the server and a page displayed showing what updates the user can/should install. The local ActiveX control then handles the download/install process.
This, then, is the reason that hackers can gain complete control of your machine remotely: Windows is designed to be controlled remotely.
No, really, it isn't the reason :-) and "those damn hackers" haven't managed to compromise the ActiveX controls used for Windows Update. Yet. Unless there is an extremely easy way to invoke them (which there isn't), a hacker would have to compromise a number of sections (including SSL certificate handling/storage) of the OS, and to do so would require elevation of privs to admin status. Then why would they bother trying to compromise an ActiveX control if they already have full privs. The WU controls provide no "remote control" capability.
Windows is not designed to be controlled remotely. UNIX and its derivatives are operating systems designed to be controlled properly. Windows has a number of bad implementations for remote control.
An OS that supports locking out the fellow in front of it has merit in an office environment where the company handles sensitive data and theft is a real concern. However, the ability to lock out the end user is inappropriate in an operating system used in the home.
I'm not sure how to reply to this, because I don't get where you're coming from with this comment.
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Unix developed in an enviroment where you tried to minimize the amount of RAM as much as possible and so on. Windows grew in a much more spacious in enviroment, who the H*** could ever need 640KB of RAM? I say its bloat is due to a bad enviroment.
Amiga grew up with the expectation of first being a games machine (cheap) then made by commodore (kinda cheap).
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Unix developed in an enviroment where you tried to minimize the amount of RAM as much as possible and so on. Windows grew in a much more spacious in enviroment, who the H*** could ever need 640KB of RAM? I say its bloat is due to a bad enviroment.
Hmm, I'd amend that slightly, to add that Windows did not start off in a "spacious environment", it made it spacious through its popularity and progressive bloatedness. Windows is primarily responsible for the high spec machines available today.
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Well, I updated my XP last week. I selected all the critical updates and it trashed almost the whole
system. I become totally unable to connect to the internet and almost every program disappeared
from the Add/remove program list.
I formattted the HD and tried again... same result. I formatted and installed everything once more and
deselected one of the updates (forgot what its name was, but that update was ment to help the system
repair itself...). This time it works - so far.
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There's a patch that is capable of totally trashing your system and you forget what its name was?
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The patch is Q817287, 332 kB. This patch is meant to help XP with recovering automatically in case of errors.
The nice little thing changed and/or deleted some dll(?) files.
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An OS that supports locking out the fellow in front of it has merit in an office environment where the company handles sensitive data and theft is a real concern. However, the ability to lock out the end user is inappropriate in an operating system used in the home.
I strongly disagree. A lot of people who use their computers for several things in their home do use them also for sensitive data, I personally greatly appreciate being able to lock out the other people in my home because I don't want them messing up my stuff. I'm currently working on a suite (music), and although I have backups, the majority of my data is on my hard drive, and I would be greatly p.o.'ed if anyone in my home got onto my computer and installed any old spyware/AOL software/ or other unstable crap on my machine because they didn't know any better, and in turn threatened the stability of my machine, or the integrity of what I am working on.
It's not always about theft, it's just as much about people getting on the internet and installing 15 different Instant messengers on your machine when you're not looking.
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Even though the original install took about 3 Gigs of space it has grown this large in no time at all.
Hmmm! Well thats another reason for me not to "upgrade" from win2k pro.... I thought it was huge at 1.1Gb with everything selected to install....
Win2k= NT5 WinXP=5.1 So where the hell has this extra 2Gb come from? It's not as though XP runs any services that Win2k doesn't afaik so what the hell is taking all that extra room???
Even with all the current service packs you can get for Win2k you're still well under 1.5Gb...
2Gb??? Thats 4 DivX feature films.
Even with a half dozen iso's, a handfull of DivX movies, and several hundred apps with BeOS I'm inside 9Gb... I suspect if I pulled all the ISOs, and DivX's I'd be under 5Gb.
Even Win2k with countless apps, a half dozen games and several large demos on it I'm only just over 7Gb
Win95 was 50Mb or therabouts with the first edition, the same as BeOS with all the dev tools installed.... so I got to ask where all this extra wieght is comming from with WinXP
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Hi leander,
I should clarify that my XP Pro is the IBM version and not the regular XP or XP Pro ,this could be some of the reason for the extra bloat as IBM includes some of their own software in the package. But it does seem odd that it is so huge.
My Amiga OS2.1 system is about 20Mb with a lot of patches and other stuff thrown in there. Big difference compared to XP.
You'd think things would get smaller in a more technically advanced world. But no.... they bloat to humungus proportions. :-P
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You'd think things would get smaller in a more technically advanced world. But no.... they bloat to humungus proportions.
:-)
Actually, if you twist it a bit, it makes perfect sense. The hardware gets smaller, yes, the software becomes bigger/more capable, of course!
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I'll admit it, 640Kb RAM wasn't standard for quite a while...