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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: don27dog on February 23, 2009, 11:56:24 AM
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I am trying to get my 4000 connected to the internet. I have installed the deneb and it works fine with an optical mouse and jump drive. When I plug in the the ethernet adapter it see's it as AX88772 device. When I try to set up genesis I can not find the driver for the device. I believe the driver I am looking for is usbasixeth.device I can not find it anywhere on my computer. Any ideas?
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I believe the driver I am looking for usbsixeth.device I can not find it anywhere on my computer. Any ideas?
The driver usbasixeth.device is generated in memory only.
You should see it with scout in the device list, but *not* on disk, so just enter it without any path name (like devs:).
Michael
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BINGO!!!! I am up and running... Thank you..
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BINGO!!!! I am up and running... Thank you..
You're welcome.
Oh. By the way, you can find such information also in the nice AmigaGuide file delivered with Poseidon:
To the AmigaOS the USB device is available through the "usbasixeth.device" SANA-II device which is created in memory during runtime.
Hence you will not be able to find a file based device in DEVS:Networks as usually expected.
RTFM :-)
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Is there a list of compatible usb ethernet thingies out there or will any of them work? thanks.
brian
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RTFM :-)[/quote]
:) roger that !!!
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blanning wrote:
Is there a list of compatible usb ethernet thingies out there or will any of them work? thanks.
brian
I tried a cheap $5 one off ebay that I couldn't get to work, but then again I didn't give it a lot of effort.. I will try it when I get home tonight. I bought the Deneb back around x-mas time with the holidays and in the process of getting married in two weeks I haven't had a lot of time to play around with it.
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I tried a cheap $5 one off ebay that I couldn't get to work, but then again I didn't give it a lot of effort..
Chris worte a new driver for such "cheap" (and I mean cheap in price and design) adaptors on a user request... so chances are good.
Send me the psddevlister output (or at least ManId/ProdId) of the ethernet dongle, and I can tell you :-)
Michael
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Hi
I'm in sort of the same situation, after reading the Poseidon guide file, I bought a USB->ethernet adaptor based on Moschip.
There's supposed to be a "moschip.class" in Poseidon (at least it is mentioned in the guide file as "included"). but the class seems to be missing in v4.2 and also in the older Poseidon versions.
Anyone know were I can get a hold of that .class file?
Thanks in advance.
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don27dog wrote:
BINGO!!!! I am up and running... Thank you..
Don't feel bad. I did exactly the same thing when I set up my Trendnet TU2-ET100. I kept fiddling around for ages, wondering why it wouldn't appear on the list until finally I realised that I could manually type it in!
Using a cheap PC Ethernet device instead of a Zorro based card means that the Deneb almost pays for itself immediately.
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Using a cheap PC Ethernet device instead of a Zorro based card means that the Deneb almost pays for itself immediately.
Which is one of the reasons why the RAPTOR never made it into production, but was dropped in favour of the DENEB during development :-)
Michael
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Sure enough the cheap adapter works using dm9601eth.device and actually gets better speeds than the other adapter.
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at mboehmer_e3b:
and what was that raptor, youre talking about, please?
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mboehmer_e3b wrote:
Which is one of the reasons why the RAPTOR never made it into production, but was dropped in favour of the DENEB during development :-)
Michael
Raptor? Didn't know about that one.
I can certainly see the logic though. The Deneb thanks to the USB expansion possibilities opens up the big box Amigas in a whole new way. I avoided the previous USB expansion options because of the way the stack was distributed, but the new distribution model which included the fully licensed software is perfect. Having used the Deneb since it was released I can't imagine not having it. I've been tinkering with an A1200 in a wedge case and another in a tower and I'm sorely tempted to add a Subway card.
I don't suppose anyone has made a Deneb/Poseidon website with hints, tips, tricks and lists of compatible hardware?
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@darrin:
http://www.a1k.org/forum/showthread.php?t=11432
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Any chance to see a driver for some wireless USB dongle?
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With the Deneb a network adapter is using both the USB stack and a TCP/IP stack, so it has more overhead.
What I'd really like to see would be a ZorroIII to PCI adapter based on Deneb technology using burst mode ;)
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Jose wrote:
With the Deneb a network adapter is using both the USB stack and a TCP/IP stack, so it has more overhead.
Personally I wouldn't mind, I've got 030 in my A3000 to take care of this overhead :)
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wawrzon wrote:
@darrin:
http://www.a1k.org/forum/showthread.php?t=11432
Thanks for that. I like the 4 port hub mounted onto a 5.25" drive bay plate. I've got the parts together to mount a USB port and a CF Card reader onto the unused 2nd floppy bay plate on my A4000 and run the ports to the internal IDE connector and the Deneb's internal USB slot. One of my many projects just waiting for some spare time...
:-)
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tnt23 wrote:
Personally I wouldn't mind, I've got 030 in my A3000 to take care of this overhead :)
This card is ideal for the A3000 as you can have a cheap external PC DVD drive attached. I have a bog standard internal IDE drive on my A4000, but an off-the-shelf external HP DVD+/-RW was just plug+play.
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Jose wrote:
With the Deneb a network adapter is using both the USB stack and a TCP/IP stack, so it has more overhead.
What I'd really like to see would be a ZorroIII to PCI adapter based on Deneb technology using burst mode ;)
Another PCI interface might be nice. I'm thinking in terms of a hardware-accelerated USB stack. I imagine a micro-controller on the USB card running the stack (with flash for updates) and a client on the Amiga side would run pretty darn quickly.
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Darrin wrote:
This card is ideal for the A3000 as you can have a cheap external PC DVD drive attached. I have a bog standard internal IDE drive on my A4000, but an off-the-shelf external HP DVD+/-RW was just plug+play.
I absolutely agree, I bought myself a Deneb just because of its ability to use that lot of modern USB peripherals. (And now the only noisy thing in my A3000 is the PSU fan, as I've completely migrated to USB flash thanks to Deneb.)
I wish I could also hook it to my home wireless network :-)
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tnt23 wrote:
I wish I could also hook it to my home wireless network :-)
I know what you mean. I have a huge cable running around my room from the Deneb to one of the port on the back of my wireless router. Wireless would be nice, even if it wouldn't work with encryption. :-)
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@ Darrin
A Linksys wireless router with some hacked firmware (http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page) provides a nice multiport wireless bridge. I use this trick to reach the main wireless router on the other side of the house. Encryption works, since, as far as the Amiga is concerned, it's a wired connection.
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LoadWB wrote:
I'm thinking in terms of a hardware-accelerated USB stack. I imagine a micro-controller on the USB card running the stack (with flash for updates) and a client on the Amiga side would run pretty darn quickly.
No it wouldn't. Most time is spent for memory copying, and a microcontroller won't help here, in fact it probably would be more of a bottleneck.
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blanning wrote:
Is there a list of compatible usb ethernet thingies out there or will any of them work? thanks.
brian
Ever considered looking into the manual? ;-)
Also, http://www.platon42.de/poseidon.html will list the supported devices and chipsets.
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cutaway wrote:
Hi
I'm in sort of the same situation, after reading the Poseidon guide file, I bought a USB->ethernet adaptor based on Moschip.
There's supposed to be a "moschip.class" in Poseidon (at least it is mentioned in the guide file as "included"). but the class seems to be missing in v4.2 and also in the older Poseidon versions.
Anyone know were I can get a hold of that .class file?
It is supposed to be included in release V4.3, but I didn't have time yet to finish it. You could mail me and ask for the class file.
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platon42 wrote:
LoadWB wrote:
I'm thinking in terms of a hardware-accelerated USB stack. I imagine a micro-controller on the USB card running the stack (with flash for updates) and a client on the Amiga side would run pretty darn quickly.
No it wouldn't. Most time is spent for memory copying, and a microcontroller won't help here, in fact it probably would be more of a bottleneck.
What's the difference between doing that and the TCP/IP hardware offloading provided by some server hardware?
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platon42 wrote:
Ever considered looking into the manual? ;-)
Also, http://www.platon42.de/poseidon.html will list the supported devices and chipsets.
I can't find a good list of manufacturer/model numbers vs chipsets anywhere. I have a 3com 3c19250, but can't figure out what chipset is in it, or which one to buy for that matter.
brian
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I just bought this (http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.2797). It works with the dm9601eth driver which was addded in Poseidon v4.2.
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What's the difference between doing that and the TCP/IP hardware offloading provided by some server hardware?
From the hardware side of view there are chips which exactly do that for you, in case you want to easily adopt an FPGA to some ethernet connection (like WizNet family of ethernet connection chips).
My experience here is that you lose in speed, but gain in ease of use (as FPGAs don't have CPUs, in most cases).
Where you *really* can gain in TCP/IP speed is checksum checks and calculations, as those operations are tailored for serial data streams in hardware, and CPUs have no chance to keep up.
But these things are already done by the DENEB USB controller chip. In fact, there are solutions like those you want to do (e.g. from FTDI), but they are limited to USB1.1 and offer no real performance - besides the problem, that due to restrictions in RAM and ROM of the uC you cannot support all classes at once, and you are bound to the USB stack given by the IC manufacturer.
Michael
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blanning wrote:
I can't find a good list of manufacturer/model numbers vs chipsets anywhere. I have a 3com 3c19250, but can't figure out what chipset is in it, or which one to buy for that matter.
brian
Entering 3c19250 into google quickly reveals that it uses a Kawaski-Chipset, which is not supported by Poseidon.
Poseidon V4.2 supports Pegasus, Davicom, Asix and with V4.3 also MOSChip Ethernet chipsets. The amiga guide of Poseidon contains a list of manufacturers for adapters using these chipsets.