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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: KatManDEW on February 20, 2009, 05:59:46 PM
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Hopefully the copy of OS 3.9 that I ordered will eventually arrive someday....
When that day comes, I don't have a CD drive on my A1200, but I have a CF. Can I copy the OS 3.9 files to the CF with my PC, and then install OS 3.9 on my A1200, from the CF?
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Yes and you can also boot OS 3.9 from the CF card if you wish.
IIRC, you just have to rename your CF card to AmigaOS3.9, AmigaOS 3.9 or Amiga OS3.9. It's 'one' of those, but I believe it's the first one. May also have to open a shell and type an assign too in order for the automatic installation to repeatedly call upon 3.9 during installation.
If all of the above fail for you, simply copy the necessary files from the CD to the CF card and then onto your Miggy.
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Don't format the card as FAT. Set it up as an Amiga hard drive in WinUAE and format it as an Amiga filesystem, then copy the OS3.9 files from within UAE.
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moto
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Yes, you can. But copying files will most likely break the installation because some files cannot be copied with Windows (illegal file names in PC file system).
You could use WinUAE to format the CF card in Amiga format and copy files from within AmigaOS.
Or you could create an ISO image from the CD and use the files from this archive (http://thomas-rapp.homepage.t-online.de/Start.zip) on your Amiga. The ISO must be called "AmigaOS3.9.iso" (without quotation marks). On the Amiga first run the Start script which will mount the ISO image. Then run the OS 3.9 installer and create an emergency floppy. When the floppy is ready, before you reboot, run the Copy_Files script which will change the floppy to use the ISO image instead of a real CD.
Bye,
Thomas
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As Tomas said, create an iso and then boot the system with an emergency disk that mounts the CF as boot disk instead of the cdrom. For that purpose you can happily use the emergency disk that amije (he's a member here and of course in amigahellas.gr forum) has created.
http://files.amigahellas.gr/data/Utilities/cf-boot-disk.lha
I had the same question to do regarding OS4. Could someone avoid cdrom usage and use a CF instead or even a USB stick? Maybe this requires more tweaking.
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i installed it by using FTP-mount once. Over 3.1 (or 3.5 though).
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Wow! This is great information. Thank you all very much!
Now if OS 3.9 would just get here. I ordered it a month ago :boohoo:
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From thevintageamigan? lol
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save2600 wrote:
From thevintageamigan? lol
SoftHut...
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Did you deal directly with Joe, get confirmation and all that good stuff? Or did you order from the online webstore? If you dealt directly with him, I'm sure he's waiting to get 'em in stock. Otherwise... :-(
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I dealt directly with Joe. The entire process has been one of the most frustrating deals I have ever endured.
But then again, I have never purchased ANY Amiga items from a vendor, both back-in-day, and present day, that wasn't an extremely long drawn out excruciating experience for one or more reasons.
At this point I'm about so happy that I could spit nails.
I've been a "mail order" freak for 30+ years, and when I order anything but Amiga stuff, I receive the item(s) promptly (usually amazingly promptly). But purchasing Amiga items from vendors has always been, and remains to be, a giant PITA.
It's almost enough to make me wanna give up on Amiga and go retro with Timex-Sinclair only. I can order Sinclair stuff from the far reaches of the earth, and I receive it promptly.
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PM sent KatManDew.
Ahh... hang in there then. Like I said, I'm sure he's waiting to get them from his supplier. Might want to drop him a weekly line I guess to both remind and check the status.
I too have noticed that many of us are turning into lazy lima beans though. LOL! I could write a book on why I think this is, but the thing that strikes me odd is how far away we've gotten from being proactive. Seems many of us just became spoiled thanks to internet commerce and no longer have the ambition to properly "make the sale". Or follow though even. Not accusing anyone specifically here, but the patterns are obvious. Just look at most ePay ads these days. Nobody knows just what they are selling. Communication and the ads themselves are horribly written and there are seemingly unnecessary delays in shipping. It's frustrating dealing with anybody these days. Not just classic computer resellers.
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Classic Sinclair computer resellers are prompt and thoughtfull. Purchasing Amiga stuff was a long drawn out PITA 20 years ago (for me anyway).
By the time I get the dog gone stuff that I ordered, I just wanna throw it and the corner and be glad the ordeal is over with, and I finally got what I paid for. Sure takes much of the fun out of it.....
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you can install os39 with no cd (iso or file).
But the updates wont work with no os39 cd and it
also detects `virtual CD` and aborts instalation of updates(boingbags).
the only way is attach the HDD to yor PC
install, updated and copy/extract all your stuff through
WinUAE.
Let your PC do the hard work and save your A1200 for Fun stuff.
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Thanks for the info. Do I need a 2.5" to 3.5" IDE adapter to attach my Amiga 1200 HD to my PC?
mbueler wrote:
you can install os39 with no cd (iso or file).
But the updates wont work with no os39 cd and it
also detects `virtual CD` and aborts instalation of updates(boingbags).
the only way is attach the HDD to yor PC
install, updated and copy/extract all your stuff through
WinUAE.
Let your PC do the hard work and save your A1200 for Fun stuff.
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If I was the owner of a 20 year old operating system, that poeple were still purchasing today, I would make dog gone sure there were ample copies laying around, so I could take money from people who wanted to purchase it. What does it cost to keep a meager stock of CD's? This isn't cutting edge viable technology, so there's a good chance that potential customers will pass it by if it isn't readily available. This is the PayPal it and download it age...
This same kind of business practice is what I always encountered when pruchasing Amiga items 20 years ago, so it's no wonder to me that the Amiga went down the tube. Commodore isn't the only one responsible for the Amiga demise, because the supply chain was never customer focused.
Life is short. People have better things to do that wait months for a measly CD.
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mbueler said:
"But the updates wont work with no os39 cd and it
also detects `virtual CD` and aborts instalation of updates(boingbags)."
The boing Bags will work without the CD. The trick is to get the passwords that are available elsewhere in a different thread, unzip the files, and use your file manager program to put in the updates.
I think if you search "serial.device" you will find the info you need. The serial.device is buggy in the 2nd Boing Bag and most people use the one in Boing Bag 1. If you don't find this out until after everything is installed, you have a buggy version. If you use the password and dissolve Boing Bag 1 you can leech the needed file out and use it to replace the buggy one.
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mbueler wrote:
you can install os39 with no cd (iso or file).
But the updates wont work with no os39 cd and it
also detects `virtual CD` and aborts instalation of updates(boingbags).
That's complete nonsense. As long as all files from the CD (*ALL* files) are present in the (virtual) copy and the copy has the right name (or assign), everything works perfectly, even the updates. No password hacking needed.
Bye,
Thomas
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Thomas is right, it does ALL the updates with the mounted CD from AmiJe's virtual drive. Tested it my self.
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I really appreciete all the info!
The wagon train arrived today, with my copy of OS 3.9! But I think I'm hosed for installing it on my A1200 because I have the 3.0 ROM in my A1200. I guess I will have to see how long it takes to get 3.1 ROMS. I need to wait until I get my Apollo 1240 anyway, because right now my A1200 runs out of memory if I look at it crooked :-D
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I can't get it to boot from a floppy with the files in cf-boot-disk.lha. I format a floppy and extract that archive onto the floppy, but it won't boot from the floppy. It just goes back to the hard drive and boots from the hard drive.
I tried creating an Emergency-Disk from the OS 3.9 installation on the CF, and when it asked for the device to use I replaced scsi.device with compactflash.device, but when it boots from that floppy it says it can't find compactflash.device xx, and then it of course says it can't find volume AmigaOS3.9 which is on the CF card.
portarinos wrote:
As Tomas said, create an iso and then boot the system with an emergency disk that mounts the CF as boot disk instead of the cdrom. For that purpose you can happily use the emergency disk that amije (he's a member here and of course in amigahellas.gr forum) has created.
http://files.amigahellas.gr/data/Utilities/cf-boot-disk.lha
I had the same question to do regarding OS4. Could someone avoid cdrom usage and use a CF instead or even a USB stick? Maybe this requires more tweaking.
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maybe this is helpful
http://www.amigascene.nl/download/Amiga1200CF-v0_8.pdf
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=25274
i think it should be recognized as scsi.device? have not played with this yet. I did install os 3.9 via winuae for use on A1200.
how about setting up the card under winuae, including OS 3.9 installation?
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Thanks for the tips nishtek. I'll take a hungry look at it.
I think my CF card is setup crrectly, with all the correct files on it, and the proper name (AmigaOS3.9).
My problem is that I can't boot from a Emergency Disk and have the CF card available. I've beat my head against it all day, and all evening this evening.
I've tried creating Emergency Disks from the OS3.9 setup on the CF card, and adding the FAT95 and CF files, and editing everything under the sun (on that floppy) to try to make it see the CF card at boot. No matter what I do it comes up and says it can't find volume AmigaOS3.9.
I can't boot from a disk with the files from this archive;
http://files.amigahellas.gr/data/Utilities/cf-boot-disk.lha
I just plain can't get a bootable disk by copying those files to a floppy.
So I tried adding those files to a bootable disk created by the OS3.9 setup on the CF card. No luck. Tried editing everything I could find on that disk that might be causing the problem. No luck.
I've tried to edit a copy of the Emergency Disk from my A2000 OS 3.9 setup, and adding the FAT95 and CF files. No luck.
I'm at my wits end.
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I format a floppy and extract that archive onto the floppy, but it won't boot from the floppy.
You need to write a bootblock to the floppy. Open a Shell window and enter
install df0:
Bye,
Thomas
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That allowed me to boot from the floppy, but now I get the error "Cannot open filedisk.device unit 16924756" and then the "Please insert volume AmigaOS3.9 in any drive".
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I think I figured out what my problem it - I can't name the CF as "AmigaOS3.9". Windows won't allow me to use that name, and if I rename it to that with the Amiga, it ends up being "AmigaOS3_9".
I'm dead in the water if I can't name the CF properly.
Is it possible to name it as "AmigaOS3.9"?
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Sounds like you formatted the CF card using a Windows filesystem. You need to format it with an Amiga filesystem. Amiga filesystems support spaces and fullstops in volume names. Also, if you copy the contents of the OS3.9 CD to a Windows filesystem then you will have a lot of problems when you try to install as it will mess up all of the filenames and file attributes.
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moto
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I got OS 3.9 to install from CF using the ISO method. I don't have a working A1200 floppy drive, and I've been esing an external floppy drive. I had to temporarily sit an old A2000 floppy drive inside the A1200 and use it as DF0 to get OS 3.9 to install.
Many thanks for all the help!
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format the cf with fat32 in windows and relabel the cf card as CF.
copy the 3.9 iso in the card and you are ready to go.
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Did you ever figure this out??
I'm faced with the same problem.
I have the OS on CD, but no CD Drive.
I have copied the contents of AMIGAOS3.9 onto a CF Card on the PC, and have even managed to make my own boot disk with PCMCIA CF Card support.
So I've installed AMIGAOS3.9
But the problem I now have is that I put BOINGBAGs 1 and 2 on the same CF card and when I try to install those and they both look for AMIGAOS3.9
I can not figure out a way to format the card to rename it as AMIGAOS3.9.
I've tried formatting it using the Amiga, but the problem is, CF cards through PCMCIA only use the FAT95 file system.
I'm stuck here.
How on earth does the PC recognise the Amiga CD as AMIGAOS3.9 if I can't possibly rename the CF card in the same way??
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Did you ever figure this out??
I'm faced with the same problem.
I have the OS on CD, but no CD Drive.
I have copied the contents of AMIGAOS3.9 onto a CF Card on the PC, and have even managed to make my own boot disk with PCMCIA CF Card support.
So I've installed AMIGAOS3.9
But the problem I now have is that I put BOINGBAGs 1 and 2 on the same CF card and when I try to install those and they both look for AMIGAOS3.9
I can not figure out a way to format the card to rename it as AMIGAOS3.9.
I've tried formatting it using the Amiga, but the problem is, CF cards through PCMCIA only use the FAT95 file system.
I'm stuck here.
How on earth does the PC recognise the Amiga CD as AMIGAOS3.9 if I can't possibly rename the CF card in the same way??
If you managed to install the OS then just mount an ISO image of the CD before you run the BB1,2,3 and 4 installers.
http://aminet.net/package/util/rexx/isomount124
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If you managed to install the OS then just mount an ISO image of the CD before you run the BB1,2,3 and 4 installers.
http://aminet.net/package/util/rexx/isomount124
Thanks, I was just gonna install the BB1 and 2, is it worth having 3 and 4?
They don't really describe what's in them on the webpages I've been on, so I wasn't going to bother.
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Thanks, I was just gonna install the BB1 and 2, is it worth having 3 and 4?
They don't really describe what's in them on the webpages I've been on, so I wasn't going to bother.
Definately worth it.
http://lilliput.amiga-projects.net/TechDetails.htm
You'll want to install these after those too. :)
http://aminet.net/package/util/libs/IconLib_46.4
http://www.platon42.de/files/util/TLSFMem.lha
http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/StackAttack2
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Definately worth it.
http://lilliput.amiga-projects.net/TechDetails.htm
You'll want to install these after those too. :)
http://aminet.net/package/util/libs/IconLib_46.4
http://www.platon42.de/files/util/TLSFMem.lha
http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/StackAttack2
I installed BoingBags 3 & 4 and it doesn't work on my 1200.
I installed the ROM updates, but are they needed? My Amiga already has 3.1 ROMS and the only things I'll be using is PCMCIA CF Card reader, and maybe an Ethernet PCMCIA card at some point.
I'm thinking that it's the ROM updates that's crippling the Amiga?
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Definately worth it.
http://lilliput.amiga-projects.net/TechDetails.htm
Hey Nicholas, looking over that list, do you know where one can find updated graphics.library 40.25? I recently noticed a *17 page long thread* on it over on EAB, but nowhere in all that mucking about did anyone say where to obtain it. ???
I've got a fresh install of 3.9 on one of my systems along with BB1, 2, 3, and 4, and SysInfo reports I'm still on graphics.library 40.24.
Just curious! :)
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It was the ROM updates, my Amiga didn't like them.
I already have 3.1 ROMS, I'm guessing the updates were meant for older ROMS or perhaps it's my Motherboard revision.
Who knows... All I know is that I installed all BoingBags (1-4) and refused all ROM updates and now it works fine.
Rob.
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It was the ROM updates, my Amiga didn't like them.
I already have 3.1 ROMS, I'm guessing the updates were meant for older ROMS or perhaps it's my Motherboard revision.
Who knows... All I know is that I installed all BoingBags (1-4) and refused all ROM updates and now it works fine.
Rob.
Well, you don't strictly NEED the ROM updates, but they make life much more bearable.
Did you choose to automatically update the startup-sequence or did you do it manually?
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Hey Nicholas, looking over that list, do you know where one can find updated graphics.library 40.25? I recently noticed a *17 page long thread* on it over on EAB, but nowhere in all that mucking about did anyone say where to obtain it. ???
I've got a fresh install of 3.9 on one of my systems along with BB1, 2, 3, and 4, and SysInfo reports I'm still on graphics.library 40.24.
Just curious! :)
mfilos and Gulliver are probably the best guys to ask about that. Hopefully they'll spot this thread and post here.
IIRC there were problems with the new graphics library but I'm not sure what as it's a while since i kept an eye on it.
Still part way through rebuilding my A3K so when I've got her put back together and reinstalled I'll probably look at finding the new graphics.library, dos.library and scsi.device etc from the threads i've got bookmarked from EAB.
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I chose to auto update the startup sequence since I wouldn't really have a clue what I'm doing. What do the rom updates actually do to make life easier? It doesn't seem to say.
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I chose to auto update the startup sequence since I wouldn't really have a clue what I'm doing. What do the rom updates actually do to make life easier? It doesn't seem to say.
Just performance and functionality enhancements.