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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: save2600 on February 08, 2009, 06:02:22 PM
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I just secured an X-Surf card and was wondering if, as a cheaper alternative to Deneb, I would be happy with a Subway clockport module. Features look the same (Actually, the Subway comes with 4 USB ports vs. 2 on the Deneb) except for the 'highspeed' function of the card. Specifically, I'd like to use the USB ports for my printer, external HD's, DVD/CDRW and maybe a sound card.
Would it be wiser to invest in the Deneb for these uses or will I not notice much, if any difference between highspeed mode or not?
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I think on the Deneb, you can store the updated kickstart images in a flash-memory-type-thing, so you dont need the amiga to be soft reset by setpatch at startup.
Which is cool.
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Deneb is faster even at USB1.1 Speed. Also it has a Flashrom which the Subway does not have.
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The Deneb has 3 ports (2 on a backing plate and one on the card. I have a USB Ethernet device and I've threaded the cable into my A4000 and plugged that into the internal port. I guess a memory stick could be left in there too to act as a hard drive.
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what are the pins inteface for on the back of the SUBWAY?
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Thanks all. Seems for the $40 difference, getting a Deneb is a no brainer then. Throwing the updated Kickstart files into that flash rom thingy sounds very cool. I wonder if it comes with the proper documentation to do so?
With the 2060 I just installed though, bootup is pretty darn quick as it is :-)
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Get a Deneb and consider selling your X-Surf to offset the price and get an uber cheap USB ethernet card.
But you could consider using a parallel port printer and a CF->IDE adapter for external storage.
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Deneb without doubt. I have one subway and it's slow (200Kbytes/seg) reading. Highspeed mode I use in the PC and I get 35Mb/seg. If connected wrong subway burn instantly.
save2600 wrote:
I just secured an X-Surf card and was wondering if, as a cheaper alternative to Deneb, I would be happy with a Subway clockport module. Features look the same (Actually, the Subway comes with 4 USB ports vs. 2 on the Deneb) except for the 'highspeed' function of the card. Specifically, I'd like to use the USB ports for my printer, external HD's, DVD/CDRW and maybe a sound card.
Would it be wiser to invest in the Deneb for these uses or will I not notice much, if any difference between highspeed mode or not?
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Tension wrote:
I think on the Deneb, you can store the updated kickstart images in a flash-memory-type-thing, so you dont need the amiga to be soft reset by setpatch at startup.
Which is cool.
Is a kickstart image stored in the flashrom immediately available at cold boot?? (I assume it must me?) Seems a lot easier to simply flash a new ROM... and not have to mess with burning them.
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I got a sense from the other post that only the Boing Bag "kickstart" updates/patches were loaded into that flash deal. Am I wrong in assuming that?
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Just checked the Luciferin docs. You can add complete kickstart images with AlgorKick, and it even uses the maprom feature of the phase5 boards. Very cool!
*edit* Actually, I think booting from a custom ROM is only possible with p5 boards.
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save2600 wrote:
I just secured an X-Surf card and was wondering if, as a cheaper alternative to Deneb, I would be happy with a Subway clockport module. Features look the same (Actually, the Subway comes with 4 USB ports vs. 2 on the Deneb) except for the 'highspeed' function of the card. Specifically, I'd like to use the USB ports for my printer, external HD's, DVD/CDRW and maybe a sound card.
Would it be wiser to invest in the Deneb for these uses or will I not notice much, if any difference between highspeed mode or not?
Deneb vs. Subway:
(+) USB 2.0 highspeed (up to 8.5 MB/sec in Z3 PIO mode or even more in DMA mode), full speed 1 MB/sec for USB 1.1 devices.
(+) Realtime Isochronous transfers supported (USB Audio and Sonix-Webcam), means that you can use cheap USB soundcards. Not supported by the Subway.
(+) 4 MB Flashrom for Rom-Updates & Kickstart (and booting MorphOS Classic), booting from USB.
(+) has a clockport ;)
(-) only three USB ports instead of four on the Subway
I might have forgotten something, but these are probably the main advantages.
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Just checked the Luciferin docs. You can add complete kickstart images with AlgorKick, and it even uses the maprom feature of the phase5 boards. Very cool!
*edit* Actually, I think booting from a custom ROM is only possible with p5 boards.
Yes, mainly for phase5 boards, but also for the A3640 board. Most people have these kinds of boards ;-)