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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: Skyraker on September 09, 2003, 01:03:47 AM
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I used to love the old demo scene...... this is a carry on from the A500 thread.. but the one that made my jaw drop has to be Spaceballs, State of the Art... on one floppy disk? Try that on an x86!!!
I'm curious to see what was 'the' demo that made you pant, there's loads archived thesedays and many I haven't seen.. perhaps theres one or two suprises out there....
Regards
sKy
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I was a bit late getting into demos.
The first one I got hold of myself was "Pulse" by Nerve Axis. It didnt exactly fit on a floppy but it impressed me. Not the effects especially but the seamliess way it changed between them. It always seems to have a transition or something to keep it flowing...
I have seen far more impressive things done since but I still rate it.
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Yeah State of the Art for me too.
Also Jesus on E's by LSD
Planet Potion by Potion
Desert Dreams by Kefrens
242 by Virtual Dreams/FLT
Arte by Sanity
World of Commodore by Sanity (fantastic music track by Jester)
And too many more to list...
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Budbrain megademo was a laugh.. I swear a geezer on here had his avatar froma scene...
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i have been in the scene since forever, one of the best demos of all time is eNGIMa by phenomena , state of the art is cool indeed and was cool when it came but 9fingers i liked more (hated it the first time i saw it ,due to the weird choice of music but second time i viewed it i loved it)
beyond that...lEGOland 3 on c64 is awesome.
And nerve axis RELIC is awesome...
and ofcourse dolphins dream by us in push-entertainment ...
there is way too many to mention , but demos you must check out is , Virtual dreams - factory , sumea and psycadellic .
and nexus7 from andromeda (this is ranked as maybe...number 2 on my best demos of all time on amiga) ..
and traffic by mystic has alot of awesome stuff even now , sure i know its alot of fakes in it etc , but that doesnt matter ... if only 2 parts was removed from t...then it would have been nearly perfect :)
i never liked ZIF , boring music etc..
Stellar - mindflow is a demo that no one should forget. :)
i could go on for decades about all the stuff.
i have over 50 cds here with scene stuff , 15 of em beeing demos only , rest is wild demos and most of em amiga exe based ones (huge anims) , and some very nice coded wild demos like .. TWISTED by polka bros :)
cheers
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I always thought the Amiga 64KiB demos absolutely rocked. They do. They are awesome. Especially the music (for most, anyway) like "I want to be machine" (I think that was it).
Anyway, a friend showed me "The Product" for Wintel PCs. It's 63.5KiB. And there is no way any 68k Amiga could ever come close.
http://theproduct.de/
It doesn't really run on my P-II 300Mhz/TNT16MiB, but that's OK - this demo really does utilise those resources! Must eat lots of memory, takes ages to decompress..
Truly an incredible feat of assembly, mathematics and forsight... the amount of detail is incredible; it uses mathematic expressions to generate textures, camera motion, objects... damn.
This one demo for the PC is probably responsible for a lot of PC demo coders just giving up - since they have to be compared to the product!
Cheers,
- Paul
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csirac_ wrote:
Anyway, a friend showed me "The Product" for Wintel PCs. It's 63.5KiB. And there is no way any 68k Amiga could ever come close.
When I first saw The Product, I was in awe so I looked into other farbrausch stuff. All of it is awesome.
takes ages to decompress..
On my P3/750Mhz laptop, setup/decompression for the demo takes less than 20 seconds.
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There are too many to list. "Desert Dreams" blew
me away when it came out, and there were some
great Faculty demos that rocked shortly after
the AGA machines hit. "Mental" is probably
the best new amiga demo I've seen recently,
definately a benchmark.
Some of my favorite 64k amiga demos are probably
those by Nature, awesome design and
structure, even if no one element really stands
out. I can watch them over and over...
Also I agree the farbrausch demos on PC
are killer. "Dopplerdefekt" is probably my
favorite so far, "The Product" was good but
definately not their best (in my opinion).
The music in "Candytron" kicks ass, I used
to play tracks like that when I DJ'ed. If
I could find some remixes of that on vinyl I'd
buy it.
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@lempkee
How fast should "Dolphin's Dream" run on
060/66? I'm getting 6.7 fps with the
"dd.exe" executable, should it be faster?
Definatetly a stunning demo btw, especially
for 64k.
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State of the Art is my all time favorite demo. It blew me away back then and it still blows me away to this day.
I just download and watched "The Product" and it is very awsome, but is it really fair to consider this a 64k demo? The reason I ask is because it requires DirectX 8. If you add the size of that in it's a lot more than 64k. :-)
I don't know to much about the demo scene, but I thought the 64k demos of old didn't really rely on any other software. They included all rendering code etc. in the total 64k size count. Amazing demo either way though.
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...just watched "Zif" by Parallax again, that
demo rules! The music is outstanding, especially
at the end - years ahead of it's time, and also
something I wouldn't mind having on vinyl.
Definately a "timeless" classic.
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I've been on the scene since 1990, I've seen loads of demos in all these years, and the best is Lapsuus/Maturefurk IMHO. Most of you will disagree, but who cares...
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Boing-demo !!!
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"Zowee" demo when it first came out (Amiga Computing cover disk). I wonder what happened to Jolyon Ralph....
Red-Sector megademo was pretty cool.
Anyone see the "Dirty Minds" demo? Very novel VU meters.... :-o
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@SKAN: Yes, I saw one of (the?) Lapsuus/Maturfurk demos, certainly one of the better ones ;-)
@amigaguy: It is true, tacking on to the monolith DirectX API is cheating a bit, still, I guess the bar has been raised. A similar oppurtunity would arise when AOS4 comes out I guess. If it comes with Mesa GL or whatever OpenGL support it's supposed to have, we'll see what new generation of PPC OS4 demos will look like with a brand new "lowest common denominator".
- Paul
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Enigma by Phenomena on my Amiga 500 Plus.
I used to watch that over and over and over again. :-D
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I don't like "das produkt". It's simply boring. The object and texture compression is excellent, but it's dead boring. I'm tired of "fly around my 3D environment" demos/intros... on peecee I prefer demos like 7 Heaven... it's not so compressed, but it's not as boring. Yeah I know that "Das produkt" fits in 64Kbytes but I don't like it. All my respect to the programmers, but the design should improve a lot.
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@PhatBoiCollier
>Red-Sector megademo was pretty cool.
Actually the RSI megademo is one of the most overrated products ever. It was crap in '89 (if I remember correctly), and it is crap now. There are some things in it which were ok back then, but overall it's a real downer.
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Andromeda's Nexus7 on a stock 1200 was a big event for me.
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Best demo:
Hardwired by The Silents and Crionics.
Followed by tons of fab stuff: Budbrain, Wild copper, Planet Potion, a LOT of Ephidrena stuff, Gift/Potion, Desert dream, Captured Dreams/TBL, Static Chaos/The Silents, Nature intros like Grid2 and Zeon, and the list goes on and on...
BY THE WAY, WHY DONtT YOU ALL VOTE ON MY WEBSITE! Then we can finally decide on which is the best demo/intro/slideshow/musicdisk,... ever released.
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Top of the list probably cause it may have been the first demo i had seen on Amiga is the mighty Enigma by Phenomena.
State Of The Art (WOW!)
Sanity Arte (a non AGA demo that looked better than some AGA productions at the time)
Desert Dreams (WOW!)
Hardwired
Substance by Quartet (An oldie but it had that WOW factor for me, more so in the music)
Deathtrial by Mankind (The first PPC demo that very much impressed me)
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Classic demos (A500/Plain A1200):
Desert Dream (Kefrens), my all-time favourite
SOTA (spb)
9 Fingers (spb)
Budbrain Megademo - the first demo I saw, got me interested in the scene
Nexus 7 (Andromeda, A1200)
Baygone (Melon Dezign)
Newschool demos (A1200/fastmem or CPU upgrade):
Storm (can't remember the group's name) - blew me away with the morphing 1x1 landscape on 030/50
Captured Dreams (TBL)
Pulse (NVX)
Relic (NVX)
Little Nell (TBL) - the music by TCG is awesome
Hotstyle Takeover (Loonies)
The Castle (Loonies) - mindblowing 64k intro
Faktory (FLT/Virtual Dreams)
PC Demos:
2nd Reality (err, embarrasing, can't remember the group's name)
Jizz, Stash (TBL)
32 degrees in the shade (Yodel) - my new favourite
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@lempkee
How fast should "Dolphin's Dream" run on
060/66? I'm getting 6.7 fps with the
"dd.exe" executable, should it be faster?
Definatetly a stunning demo btw, especially
for 64k.
i dont know what exe you run , but the very first versions was slow indeed and its still slow, why we used 2x2 in mental , i get about 12.7 fps in dd afaik , is been a while since i bothered really , but that is in rtg on mediator with 060/66 and i tried it on 80mzh also :) , anyway
best tip is to clock it down to 60/62 mhz for best mem performance.
(download the latest versions and try it, but dont expect it to fly ...)
a last thingy is , there might be a ppc version of it in the long run but i wont promise it atm since amiga future aint looking too bright atm.
beyond that , yes a mental ppc version also might come...
and yes our games will be ppc also if amiga future gets brighter (os4 must come....thats all i want...for a1/classics..)
cheers.
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I must say i really enjoyed the spaceballs: 9fingers and state of the art. Amazing that this ran on an amiga500, with 7mhz cpu! And so smooth it ran :-)
And yeah, desert dreams!