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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: amigakit on February 05, 2009, 12:27:25 PM
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We are pleased to open pre-ordering for the new Indivision AGA 4000 - which will also be compatible with the CD32- please visit the AmigaKit store for more information:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=864
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That's. Awesome.
Is there still clearance enough for a card in the bottom Zorro slot?
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You still use broken links to HighGfx! And for 1200 version too.
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The big photo in the product description is a CD32, the smaller photo looks like an A4000D.
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Does this mean Red shudda waited :-) ;-)
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...best... ...news... ...ever... ...!!!...
Wow, why do I not earn more money at my job??? :lol:
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This should be a news item, shouldn't it?
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There's plenty of room for the lower Zorro card in the A4000D. The design is as flat as the A1200 design.
I have re-uploaded the HighGFX pictures to my server.
(edit:)
More pictures here: http://www.a1k.org/forum/showpost.php?p=232430&postcount=775
and here:
http://www.a1k.org/forum/showpost.php?p=232435&postcount=778
Jens
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Good questions btw, also - is there room for a Mediator and other zorro bus board like that which change the orientation by 90 degrees.
And how about heat then, will it be okay?
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Heat is not a problem, as Indivision AGA is an extremely low-power design. You might run into problems if the flickerfixer is heated by other products, but that applies to pretty much every other hardware, too.
Clearance is really not a problem, the board stands less than 10mm above the mainboard. The 10-pin connector is pretty far away from the Zorro board.
Jens
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Every time I screw the lid back onto my A4000 something new comes along to tempt me... :-)
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arnljot wrote:
This should be a news item, shouldn't it?
Yes, and it was not planned to be released today. AmigaKit was a little fast, and the product description is incomplete. My plans for the next two days were a little different, but this premature release re-arranges my day.
So here's what's NOT in the news item yet:
- final product colour will be blue with white silkscreen print
- We're working on a new "Indivision extreme" screenmode under HighGFX with 1280x1024 pixels
- the next Indivision update is about to be released, hopefully by the weekend. We're still testing.
Oh, and AmigaKit is of course not the only reseller who will carry this product. You will also be able to buy it at Vesalia, GGS-Data, Software Hut, Red's Retro Computing, Gentle Eye and other local Amiga resellers.
Jens
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And i still need some vga-switcher to change vga from FF or from video card.
Its will be very best, if FF has interneal vga-in from b/c-vision, and switch jumper.
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@easy_john
I also want an automatic monitor switcher!
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automatic is to hard to create. i think manual internal switcher will be good enough.
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easy_john wrote:
automatic is to hard to create. i think manual internal switcher will be good enough.
Yep.
I use a manual switcher with my A4000 to toggle between the ScanMagic SD/FF display and the Cybervision 643D Workbench. The problem with an automatic switcher is how would it know if I want to see the native SysInfo display or my RTG IBrowse screen? If you need to toggle it via the keyboard then there's no difference between that and reaching out to twist a dial instead.
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I use a manual switcher with my A4000 to toggle between the ScanMagic SD/FF display and the Cybervision 643D Workbench. The problem with an automatic switcher is how would it know if I want to see the native SysInfo display or my RTG IBrowse screen? If you need to toggle it via the keyboard then there's no difference between that and reaching out to twist a dial instead.
Yes.
But if you not use two display at one time, may be its possible to detect, when AGA active or not, and switch only if active...
Anyway I prefed manual too.
But at this time i use big and not very comfortable external switcher. (And 4 port kvm, to switch between my 3 pc and 3 amiga, and external tv-tuner for old consoles) :(((
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As usual, Jens, fantastic work. Thank you for all you do!
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Nice but a bit pricy. How about a pre-order discount? If it was $99 CAD I would buy two. At $186 CAD each..not sure I will even buy one.
@AmigaKit
I'm also waiting a long time now for a status update on my returned (under warranty) Kickflash...ticket #1645 and #1376...
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I pm'ed Jens, to see if there's anyway I can bulk order this and keep the price down for us Canadians.
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How about fitting this inside Amiga 4000T? will this work?
PM also send.
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Just Pre-ordered.. THANKS MATT!
Sam is working great also. I have been waiting of this since the A1200 version.
Tim
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Thank you very much Tim :-)
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Schoenfeld wrote:
- We're working on a new "Indivision extreme" screenmode under HighGFX with 1280x1024 pixels
- the next Indivision update is about to be released, hopefully by the weekend. We're still testing.
Jens
That's really great news Jens, congrats on the new products :-D
I assume this screen mode will also work with 1200's?
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Nice product once again.
Shame the design was not made into a Zorro card so that it could one day become a full blown RTG gfx card.
I'm sure you'll get a lot of sales, particularly from those without gfx cards or with Mediators.
It sort of leaves us Picasso IV owners in a bit of a dilemma though.
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NovaCoder wrote:
I assume this screen mode will also work with 1200's?
Yes, it will. The specs of the 1200 and the 4000/CD32 version are identical. Any firmware/software update for one version also applies to the other.
Jens
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nishtek wrote:
How about fitting this inside Amiga 4000T? will this work?.
Good question! I was wondering the same.
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Schoenfeld wrote:
- We're working on a new "Indivision extreme" screenmode under HighGFX with 1280x1024 pixels
I dont really see the point with this one, it's only usefull for those rare native 1280x1024 5:4 aspect monitors (alllthough, I do have two of them), and it will eat more precious chip ram. I'm much more interested in a working 800x600 mode (4:3 aspect - Super72 doesnt work well), so that apps like HivelyTracker can run full screen.
Also, I have yet to find a way to get PAL display to stretch out vertically.
HivelyTracker on 1024x768:
http://amiga.nvg.org/moro/Indivision_AGA/hivelytracker.jpg
SYS:Prefs/Overscan of PAL, notice the black bar ontop:
http://amiga.nvg.org/moro/Indivision_AGA/overscan-pal.jpg
Same with NTSC, no such bar here:
http://amiga.nvg.org/moro/Indivision_AGA/overscan-ntsc.jpg
And with 640x512 workbench, default settings with border both above and below:
http://amiga.nvg.org/moro/Indivision_AGA/workbench-640x512.jpg
Same annoying borders when playing slamtilt:
http://amiga.nvg.org/moro/Indivision_AGA/slamtilt-fixed.jpg
... and worms dc:
http://amiga.nvg.org/moro/Indivision_AGA/worms2.jpg
Any tip on how to get rid of these borders? I've tried altering the timing values, but only manage to change width, or the monitor ends up with "signal out of range".
I dont quite grasp the "output is always over 60Hz" vs. "Fallback to legacy flickerfixer-type 49.9Hz modes at the user's choice" - where/how do I chose this?
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kolla wrote:
Schoenfeld wrote:
- We're working on a new "Indivision extreme" screenmode under HighGFX with 1280x1024 pixels
I dont really see the point with this one, it's only usefull for those rare native 1280x1024 5:4 aspect monitors (alllthough, I do have two of them), and it will eat more precious chip ram. I'm much more interested in a working 800x600 mode (4:3 aspect - Super72 doesnt work well), so that apps like HivelyTracker can run full screen.
Also, I have yet to find a way to get PAL display to stretch out vertically.
Any tip on how to get rid of these borders? I've tried altering the timing values, but only manage to change width, or the monitor ends up with "signal out of range".
I dont quite grasp the "output is always over 60Hz" vs. "Fallback to legacy flickerfixer-type 49.9Hz modes at the user's choice" - where/how do I chose this?
Yes I expect chipram to take another hit but it's still nice to have the option. I'm not sure if it's technical possible to build some FBlit type magic into HighGFX to make it use some fast-ram instead of chip-ram.
I already asked the author of HighGFX if he would be developing an 800x600 mode but he didn't think it would offer anything over the Super72's 800x600 mode...shame.
AS to your border issues, I'm afraid that's down to your LCD monitor. You really can't beat a 4:3 CRT for displaying Amiga modes :idea:
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Does it use up a lot of ChipRAM or any ChipRAM? That would not be good for Video Toaster 4000 systems if it did.
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Pyromania wrote:
Does it use up a lot of ChipRAM or any ChipRAM? That would not be good for Video Toaster 4000 systems if it did.
What is a lot? The Indivision itself doesn't use any chipram. HighGFX on my system running at 1024x768 with 64 colors leaves about 1.3 mb free on startup (OS 3.9, no background picture).
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Very good point!
Does it use any more chipRAM than an AGA Amiga would?
I am VERY hyped about this item. I'd LOVE to put one in my CD32.
Will it center PAL/NTSC games on the screen correctly??
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Alas, I will probably not be able to afford this product. But I must say a big "Respect" to Jens for continuing to devote his time to such products.
It is good to see this stuff on sale, despite the fact that i`ll probably never own one.
I have to start doing the lottety.
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Jens you rock big time... :)
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Odd screen aspects? Has anyone started working with the wide screen LCD monitors yet?
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some details about the "xtreme-mode"
1280x1024 with 8 bitplanes needs 1,3 mb chipmem
refrashrate is BELOW 60hz (thats the reason for the name)
refreshrate on indi should be arround 50-54 hz
FOR XTREME YOU NEED A MONITOR/LCD, THAT IS ABLE TO DISPLAY PAL WITH 1.00 SCANRATE (50Hz)!!!
it needs a lot of memory
it is damm slow (with many colors)
it is a AGA-screenmode
but 1280x1024 in ham8 is fantastic
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Neither the A4000D/CD32 version, nor the A1200 version will fir in an A4000T.
Kolla, the black borders are an artefact of your flatscreen. Indivision cannot do very much about it, other than trying to move away from the standards, which confuses most monitors (as you're writing, your monitor displays the "out of range" message).
If you're having difficulties displaying Super72, please install the latest update. Only the very first revision that was delivered in summer of 2008 had problems with Super72. All Indivision AGA models can be flashed with the latest updates, it's re-configurable hardware, so hardware updates are possible by installing a new flash version.
Switching between "always over 60Hz" and "legacy flickerfixer type 49.9Hz mode" is done with the scanrate: Rate 1.00 is the legacy mode and scanrate 1.25 is the new "always over 60Hz" mode. Of course, this only means "always over 60Hz" if you're displaying a standard Amiga mode. The HighGFX modes almost all require the 1.25 scanrate setting and not always output 60+Hz.
Chipram usage with Indivision is equal to chipram usage without. However, with flicker-free 24-bit display in all modes, it's tempting to choose a mode that eats more chipmem. It's like a ride in a sports car: You're tempted to use just a little more gas than you'd do in an economy car :-)
About odd screen aspects, did anyone notice Ratte's HD720 mode?
Jens
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@Darrin & easy_john
With some CGX/P96 switches (DisplayChain IIRC) you can remove AmigaOS signal, well, not completely, but I think it's different than when the custom chips are showing a screen.
Or perhaps a small software patch could be developed that checks the front screen and switches to the gfx card if the screen is a CGX/P96 one.
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Sounds like an awesome product Jens, bummer it does not work in the A4000T. It's the ultimate Amiga VT4000/Flyer Amiga system.
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This is such great news for CD32 owners from all around the world.
FINALLY NTSC CD32 owners should be able to play all those PAL games on their VGA monitors/LCD TVs no sweat! No more black & white displays or cut off screens. And there are hundreds, or possibly THOUSANDS of these BRAND NEW CD32s still sitting in Hong Kong and China waiting to be sold.
Now all we need is a 8MB/RTC/IDE-CF/Ethernet card for the CD32, and using an A4000 keyboard (or PC keyboard adapter) you'd have a fully fledged Amiga computer capable of surfing the web. Imagine chatting to fellow Amigans on IRC, browsing the web, checking email, MSN, FTP, online games like Dynamite on a CD32!
I can't wait for the new HighGFX driver for 1280x1024, I have an LCD monitor and a CRT monitor that both support this resolution, and since 16 colours is plenty for Workbench and all the apps I run, I don't think I'd run out of ChipRAM that fast, especially when combined with FBlit, which seems to work most of the time with HighGFX, but sometimes begins to spasm.
ALSO... I have opened my CD32 up and the very best place to mount the VGA port would be in the empty space next to the keyboard/serial port. There is a big empty section inside the case in front of the motherboard which provies plenty of clearance for the ribbon cable, and there's no metal blocking the way for you to cut a hole in the plastic on the side of the bottom half of the case and mounting the new port!
I already have a CD32 with a SX32, 8MB RAM, IDE-CF adapter and 4GB CF card, but I wish I had Ethernet too, then I wouldn't have to use the serial cable for networking and going on the net (slow). It's gonna rock when I get my CD32 Indivision though!
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@kolla:
looks like your super72 800x600 screenmode like this?
the first firmware works with the wb3.0 drivers (but these drivers are different to 3.1-3.9 drivers)
so better use wb3.1/3.5/3.9 drivers and actual firmware for the indivision
(http://www.amiga.org/gallery/images/4308/1_4293.jpg)
xtreme:
(http://www.amiga.org/gallery/images/4308/1_4292.jpg)
xtreme modes with 640x256/640x512 are also nice.
your lcd doesn´t need to autoscal the resolution ...
you will get a crystalclear (blocky / non-blurred) 640x512 picture on a 1280x1024 lcd.
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No 4000T? Bummer. I was hoping to use my external SD/FF on my A600 and this on a 4000T. Ah well.
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I bought my Indivision from AmigaKit at Christmas time, and it has this problem with Super72 as well. I hadn't updated the firmware because I assumed the latest firmware was included on all new models. I guess AmigaKit sent me an old one. I just tried to load the Flash tool then, but it "Can't Open Font!". SnoopDOS doesn't tell me which font it wants either. I'll have to look into it further.
Anyway, awesome news about the CD32/A4000 version. I'd love one myself when I can afford it.
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Your right about it being awesome news for CD32 fans Cammy. We will get one for our CD32.
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I wonder how this would work for me and my LCD monitor.
I have found that my Minimig will only display properly on it, using the NTSC core, but PAL would display for like 30 seconds before the monitor shut down with 'Bad Sync' error's.
I know this is not a minimig thread, but i wonder how the monitor will cope with an A4000D signal with the indivision ?
Monitor Sync sheet (http://img21.imageshack.us/my.php?image=manualfg4.jpg)
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@Rebel-CD32:
Try the latest config and flash tools (v1.00).
I noticed, that it needs two executings to start correctly on my system.
(i will report it to oliver)
for super72 correction it is only important to execute the CONFIG tool and save current settings.
the tool identifies if you are working with old 3.0 or 3.1-3.9 monitor drivers.
it changes one internal indi-setting and you ll never have this ugly super72 again.
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@whiteb:
join a1k.org and get in contact with "boing4000" he is working on a "scanline-core" and knows a lot about the minimig-display output.
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Pictures from my prototype ...
< a1k-showroom > (http://www.a1k.org/forum/showthread.php?p=233364)
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I was about to sell the CD32 now I dunno. I have an SX-1 for sale on EBAY. I will keep the CD32 as it's been a pain not being able to play SOOOO many games on an NTSC tv.
I have a VGA to NTSC video converter, it'll be interesting to see how that would work with the Indivisions output.
This converter worked with Mini-MIg and I was able to get the MiniMIg to display s-video on an NTSC monitor. When pal games were converted via the VGA to NTSC adapter there was a slight scrolling lag effect but it's similar to the British TV on Amercian TV show credit scroll artifacts... Dunno if other Americans ever noticed this but...you but when get rolling credits on British TV shows they kind of bounce a bit when you watch say... an old episdode Doctor Who or Benny Hill on american NTSC TV.
So good news, will certainly order one of these.
Would really like to make a CD32 portable. The would be interesting.
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Darrin wrote:
[The problem with an automatic switcher is how would it know if I want to see the native SysInfo display or my RTG IBrowse screen?
Thats easy, just monitor the topmost/active screen, check it's type and switch. Make sure that AGA/Indi is active while the tool isn't running (maybe you started a game), and voila...
If I still had all the sources, I could gooble something together based on the old projects:
a) SpringMaus, easier switching between 2 (RTG) monitors
b) nameless screensaver utilizing the gameport and a relais to switch of the monitor-mains (vintage 1993).
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Ratte wrote:
@kolla:
looks like your super72 800x600 screenmode like this?
the first firmware works with the wb3.0 drivers (but these drivers are different to 3.1-3.9 drivers)
so better use wb3.1/3.5/3.9 drivers and actual firmware for the indivision
Corretct, it just never occured to me to try out Super72 again after the upgrade :lol:
It works now, but still ends up as a small display on the middle of my monitor with large black borders around.. oh well, no big deal, it's perfectly readable/usable :-)
Edit: Actually, it doesnt work unless I run Indivision_Config - if I boot into Super72, it's still wishywashy till I run Indivision_Config. I dont have to _do_ anything in Indivision_Config though, it's enough to just open it and quit. Btw, Super72 doesnt show up in Indivision_Config as a mode either. :-?
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@kolla:
ivconfig is your friend ...
http://icomp.de/t/bin/Indivision_Config_V110.lha (http://icomp.de/t/bin/Indivision_Config_V110.lha)
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Indivision AGA Configuration Tools V1.10
Indivision AGA FPGA Logic Core V1.4
(c) 2009 by Oliver Achten
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Short description
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These tools enable you to configure your Indivision AGA flickerfixer, which
means you can flash updates, make a backup of your existing flash configu-
ration or change the internal display parameter settings of your Indivision
AGA to match your preferred setup.
This package contains 3 tools:
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Indivision_Flash : Flash a new firmware or make a backup of the existing.
Indivision_Config : Edit and save display parameter to match the output
of Indivision AGA to your display device.
c/ivconfig : When being executed from startup-sequence or Wbstartup, this
tool manually initializes Indivision AGA with the current
settings which are saved in the flash rom.
Useage of ivconfig
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This is a simple tool which can be started from either the startup-sequence
or the Wbstartup drawer. Its purpose is to manually configure Indivision AGA
with the current settings which are saved in the flash rom. It has been repor-
ted that on some Amiga hardware configurations, the automatic startup initia-
lization of Indivision AGA fails, so that changes made to the configuration
using the Indivision_Config tool fail to load on startup. This tool is the fix
for this problem.
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Schoenfeld wrote:
Kolla, the black borders are an artefact of your flatscreen. Indivision cannot do very much about it, other than trying to move away from the standards, which confuses most monitors (as you're writing, your monitor displays the "out of range" message).
I have now tried with a whole range of TFT monitors, and the problem remains the same with all them - "squeezed" modes with black borders above and below. I have the very same problem with Super72 as well, I can stretch it horisontally, but not vertically.
Funny thing is, with default settings:
Monitors report 800x600, fH 39 kHz, fV 62.4 Hz on PAL mode.
Monitors report 1024x768, fH 51.6 kHz, fV 64.0 Hz on Super72 mode.
Monitors report 1024x768, fH 50.9 kHz, fV 63.2 Hz on HighGFX mode.
I suspect "larger" mode on non-HighGFX modes is to give room for overscan?
Would it not be possible to drop this, so that Super72 could actually be displayed on a 800x600 signal?
Also, in Indivision_Config, only PAL, NTSC and HighGFX show up as mode, all others, such as Super72 and Euro36 are left out.
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Hiya Ratte,
Any Idea when HighGFX extreme will be released?
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@Ratte
Cheers - I now have less than 10 minutes to play with it before last bus home... :-D
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@whiteb:
join a1k.org and get in contact with "boing4000" he is working on a "scanline-core" and knows a lot about the minimig-display output.
I would love to, but have not joined, on the basis that 99.99% of the topics are in German.
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whiteb wrote:
I would love to, but have not joined, on the basis that 99.99% of the topics are in German.
So grab a dictionary and start learning ;-)
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a1k.org - international (english only) ;-)
http://www.a1k.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=23 (http://www.a1k.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=23)
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whiteb wrote:
@whiteb:
join a1k.org and get in contact with "boing4000" he is working on a "scanline-core" and knows a lot about the minimig-display output.
I would love to, but have not joined, on the basis that 99.99% of the topics are in German.
German is fun! The grammar is complex but quite self consitant, thnk of it like a games :-)
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Has anyone gotten an early release one, or gotten to play with one yet?
I'm hyped about getting to pop on in my CD32!!
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they're in QC right now.
Almost out!!!!!!!
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I've got a couple of questions: Will it pass through AGA dblntsc and euro72 modes? These are what I use for Amiga programs such as Image Master and Brilliance that won't work in RTG modes on my A4000. The other is how is the clearance with a Toaster 4000 which is a pretty hefty card.
Thanks for developping this card and bringing it to the market :-)
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Cool! As soon as I find either a RAM card or an accelerator with an '030 or better and slots for lots of RAM so that my 4000 is useful, I'll be getting one of these.
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Now I can go High Def on my CD32
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http://www.a1k.org/forum/showthread.php?p=240534 (http://www.a1k.org/forum/showthread.php?p=240534)