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Title: Unidentified memory module
Post by: pyrre on February 01, 2009, 06:09:04 AM: I have a 168 pin memory module.
And i do not know the manufacturer or the size of the module.
It has 16 chips marked:
SEC KOREA 931
KM44V16104CK-6
VFF479B2
And two chips marked:
SDT 74FCT
163244CPA
L9917M

Do anyone of you guys know how big that module is?

It looks like it should fit on standard 168 pin sickets. however, it do not fit. the middle of the tree notches in the board is slightly miss aligned. I suspect it is a server ram chip with ECC support.
Title: Re: Unidentified memory module
Post by: da9000 on February 01, 2009, 11:13:49 AM: The chips (marking: KM44V16104CK-6) are 60ns (the -6 part) and 8Megabytes each:

* http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=KM44V16104CK&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
* http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wb4kdi/PC/Cobalt/

So to find total capacity, multiply how many chips are on the module by 8MB: (16Mbit * 4bits) / 8bits per byte = 8MB (not Mb)

They are DIMMs (168pins, data/address lines on both sides), EDO (refresh listed in above pages) and a neophyte would say that they could either have been used in various "servers" or PowerMacs.

However, they're also 3.3Volts, which tells me they were *NOT* used in PowerMacs, as they would have fried since they only used 5V modules :-)

Thus "server" RAM.

The "other" chips (74FCT 163244CPA) are inconsequential:
http://www.digchip.com/datasheets/parts/id/parts_id108.php

Cheers!
Title: Re: Unidentified memory module
Post by: Zac67 on February 01, 2009, 01:26:31 PM: 16x244 are bus buffers for buffered modules (=server and workstation flavor, also in PCI PowerMacs).

The middle notch tells whether it's 3.3V (centered between contacts) or 5V (shifted towards the other notch). 163244 buffers usually mean 3.3V.
Title: Re: Unidentified memory module
Post by: pyrre on February 01, 2009, 07:07:47 PM: Quote
So to find total capacity, multiply how many chips are on the module by 8MB: (16Mbit * 4bits) / 8bits per byte = 8MB (not Mb)

That would be 16 chips multiplied by 8MB and that would be 128MB...
Right?

anyone in the need of a server ram chip?
Title: Re: Unidentified memory module
Post by: Zac67 on February 01, 2009, 08:13:34 PM: If it's 5V I'd be interested to try it in my 9500 Mac.
Title: Re: Unidentified memory module
Post by: da9000 on February 01, 2009, 09:00:52 PM: @pyrre:

It sounds like 128MB.

@Zac67:

Nice! Thanks for the expert opinion on the buffering chips!

BTW, I have EDO DIMMs (4MB->32MB) for 9xxx series PowerMacs. Let me know if you're interested.

Cheerios
Title: Re: Unidentified memory module
Post by: pyrre on February 02, 2009, 05:05:12 AM: Quote
If it's 5V I'd be interested to try it in my 9500 Mac.

Offer?
Title: Re: Unidentified memory module
Post by: pyrre on February 02, 2009, 07:57:37 AM: I am interested in 256 or 512 modules.
For use in my PIII system.
Can have 1.5 gig on the TUV4X motherboard.
Need two 512 DIMMS
Title: Re: Unidentified memory module
Post by: Zac67 on February 02, 2009, 07:01:09 PM: @da9000
Thanks, but it's got 360 MB already but has grown a bit sluggish after upgrading Jaguar to Tiger - yes, that ancient machine is running a (somewhat) current OS. :-D So 64 and 128 MB modules only. ;-)

@pyrre
Depending on how many you got and the postage required I'd offer up to 8€/module - I wouldn't mean to rip you off, but the 9500 is little more than a toy. :-) If you'd like a swap I can take a look of what's left of PC133 (?) modules.
Title: Re: Unidentified memory module
Post by: pyrre on February 02, 2009, 10:28:14 PM: @ Zac67

I have only one module.
I will go to the post office to morrow and check the postage.
Where do you live?
Title: Re: Unidentified memory module
Post by: Zac67 on February 03, 2009, 07:33:43 PM: Sorry, no PC133 modules worth mentioning left (just a couple of 64 MBs)...

I'm in Germany. Germany -> Norway would go for 1.25€, so it might be worth it. I couldn't find actual postage on posten.no (http://www.posten.no) - hmm. :-?

PS: too dumb to flip the page... :-P
Up to 50g should be 14 NOK, ~1,60€.
Title: Re: Unidentified memory module
Post by: pyrre on February 04, 2009, 03:32:11 AM: The price list from august 2008 states
50g 13NOK and
100g 17NOK
to europe.

I forgot about the post office to day.
Will try to remember it tomorrow.
Title: Re: Unidentified memory module
Post by: pyrre on February 04, 2009, 03:36:18 AM: I have found another 168 pin memory module.
This one is twice the height of other modules.
and it holds 16 chips on each side.

Chips are marked:
SEC KOREA 749
KM44S4020CT-G10
UQ1489DC
16 such chips on each side. and a total of 32 chips.
The middle notch is situated at the same position of "normal" 168 pin memory modules.

Anyone got any idea of the size of this module?
Title: Re: Unidentified memory module
Post by: Zac67 on February 04, 2009, 06:27:41 PM: Sounds like standard SDRAM (http://www.chipworks.com/WebReports/ShowOverview.asp?ReportID=64), either PC66 or PC100. Each chip is 2Mx4Bitx2Banks, so 32 make it 64 MB.
Title: Re: Unidentified memory module
Post by: pyrre on February 07, 2009, 06:19:23 AM: an update.

according to this (http://www.l7inc.us/mparts_SAMSUNG%20ELECTRONICS%20CO%20L) site.
KMM372F1600 is a 128MB Module EDO ECC Buffered 50ns 168-Pin.
However.
In the list it is named AK-6 and is 3.3V
But the module i have is named CK-6 and fit the descriptions for a 5v module.