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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: on July 31, 2002, 08:11:36 AM
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How I miss the days of viewing classic Public Domain and being amazed at the scynchronised Vector drummer--and all those demos that were about at that time.
I have often sat down and wondered what are they doin these days?
Does anyone know people who coded,composed some of those demos that amazed .astounded and thrilled so many of us.
It`s thanks to these guys that we remember the amiga with such affection and it is us who remember those dazzling animations,punchy muzaks and be amazed at those graphics who after the amiga scene really took a tumble sing their praises.
I would love to reminisce with other members and get hold of some of those demos that have ceased life in my disk collection.
So what demos do you remember?
Were you stunned at K.G.B`s "Vector Drummer Demo"? Were you amazed at Spaceballs "State of the Art" Did you laugh at the "It`s Obscene" calls
There are far too many to name but I thank you all for making the amiga so memorable for me and I shall forever remember the Amiga.
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I think when the A1 with OS4 is released we will see some new demo action.
Coder
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Pulled my A1200 out from the cupboard the other day and loaded up some of the few disks I have left, to have a trip down memory lane!
I have to hope that the A1 does attract demo groups as that was the main reason I bought an Amiga for after seeing an A500 in a shop window running the juggler demo, went in and the guy loaded a couple more demos he had in the shop to let me see....a few weeks later I returned and got my first A500 1.3!
Oh happy days! :-D
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I was the last weekend at the euskal party # 10 (in Spain). It´s true that there´s no the feeling of the early years of the amazing demos like Control, like the Keefrens years.
I went 2 euskal party since their 6th edition. There were really amazing intros, demos, music & gfx... i rememba the "flame-wars" when amigans and pc ppl were watching the compos in the vidi-wall, how we scream when a peecee demo just explode in the screen, etc....
but that kind of "party" starts 2 go down, and now, all u can c there is a 90% of ppl with 100 writable cd´s, just for DivX and some games, a 9% playing quake tournaments, and a 1% with some demos and that kind of stuff.
i´m a crazy fanatic of demos, intros... i´ve thousands of productions, early ones, modern ones...
but it´s really sad that nowadays the scene went down, at least in Spain (i notice that there´s lot of work out there yet).
The best of all those demos was that if u take a look 2 "spaceballs" (for example), u can watch a complete videoclip, with amazing music, with incredible gfx and syncro... all in 2 dd floppys, and with just 1 mb and 7 mhz...
so...
what´s happening now??
where all that work, hard & intesive went? :-(
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but it´s really sad that nowadays the scene went down, at least in Spain
Agreed! Not so many years ago, the spanish amiga scene seemed to be the next big thing, with groups like Ozone, Network and Capsule making excellent prods. But for some reason, it all dissapeared very fast.
A pity because there was really a lot of talent in those groups!
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@Ka-lore:
A lot of the people from the old scene now work for game companies, i think.
And there are a lot who have gone to pc. Chaos/Sanity for example still makes top pc demos in the pc demo group Farbraush, Mr.Pet/Sanity reappeared with a demo not so long ago and the famous group The Silents was ressurected on the pc platform not long ago (The Silents (http://www.thesilents.de)). Apparently, they are working on a musicdisk with new music from Jesper Kyd, Romeo Knight, Marillion,... in cooperation with TRSI.
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Demo's. Da main reason for getting my Amiga's !! Dunno freaks in da scene but can help ya if ya want demo's ....
ADA Amiga demoscene here ... (http://ada.planet-d.net/index.html)
and ofcoz Aminet here ... (http://wuarchive.wustl.edu/aminet/demo/index.html)
and Scene.org here ... (http://www.scene.org/)
There are more sites like that but those are da ones in my favourites list ...
Effy.
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I've heard people say that coding demos on the PC isnt as good as the Amiga, because its all 3D API's, no low level stuff. Personally I think that 3D API's enables us to focus more on being creative, rather than coming up with an idea and spending a lot of time trying to implement it.
I have heaps of PC demos now.. I'd love to see some new demos on the AmigaOne when its out. Hmm, I might attempt to make one, one day.. when my C/C++ skills get a bit better :)
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Budbrain ruled, although BB1 was better than BB 2 (IMO)
Desert Dreams rocked too.
Well, they all were cool. :-P
Iraq demo :-D
I really hope that the demoscene on the Amiga will be very, very big.
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Is there a hd-version of Desert Dreams of Kefrens ??
Know only da dms version ...
And yes, BudBrain Mega Demo 1 was indeed better than 2 ...
Effy.
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I hope (and am sure) that we will see some excellent demos for OS4. :-)
Coder
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Is there a hd-version of Desert Dreams of Kefrens ??
As far as i know there was never a HD version of it made, Not really a bad thing (if using a real AGA machine) as only 2 disks, plus as far as i remember it needed some kickdown when used on AGA machines.
Fantastic demo though, easily in my top 3 favs.
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@ Coder
Yeah lets hope we will see some good stuff for OS4 from the demo scene, that is one of the things i look forward to.
Wishfull thinking maybe but id love to see the old masters come back to the Amiga... Kefrens, Fairlight/Virtual Dreams, Scoopex, Spaceballs, Sanity etc etc
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Why does OS4 has got anything to do with demo's ?? What difference does it make when you watch State-Of-The-Art on a A500 with kickstart 1.2 or kickstart 3.1 ?? It also looks da same on a A1200 with OS 3.0 then with OS 3.9. Only pc guys depend on OS's. Amiga freaks code according to da hardware, at least I think so ...
Effy.
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@effy:
thx for mentioning my site (A.D.A.). Webmaster (me) is from Belgium too. Van waar ben je?
@others:
I find it a pity that people keep talking about the old days without mentioning the demos from after 1995. Sure, demos like Desert Dream, Budbrain, Enigma, Hardwired, Iraq demo, nexus 7, mental hangover,... were all absolutely fantastic demos.
But maybe you should check out some of the more recent demos too. Planet Potion (Mekka 2002) was easily the most stunning intro EVER released on Amiga and it is even considered one of the most stunning achievements on any platform. If you don't have ppc, then please check gift/Potion which is one of the best 68k intros ever released!
Then there is all ephidrena stuff with demos like Concrete, Substral, J'_ and very cool 4k intros like Bier, Brus (which is a whole musicdisk in 4k which actually sounds good),...
Then there is stuff from Appendix, The Black Lotus, Madwizards, ...
And there are so many more.
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Is there a list of 'must-sees' available demos? I have to say that the demo-scene really a part of Amiga history which passed me by unfortunately.
Or if someone could point me to some demos (aminet? ExoticA?).
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@ z5
I agree with you that there has been some nice demos from '95 onwards, i was just mainly pointing out the guys in the Amiga demo scene when the Amiga was the main demo scene tool, all these guys done some great things for it back then and i know it helped push sales of the amiga back then to, i was one of them :-)
As for more recent, yeah, The Black Lotus guys done some great stuff, on the PPC side of things Mankinds "Deathtrail" is just amazing.
To me its not just the visuals that make the demo, its everything combined and originalty, Amiga had that in buckets.
I'm a sucker though for fast paced visuals with the Audio synced, Remember Technological Death,SOTA,Extension or Acid demo ? :-D
Looking at the more recent demos on PC, those big demos, 90% of them for me our watch once only productions.
Tis good to see though that Fairlight our still doing quality productions even if it isnt on our beloved Amiga, check out Tatsu.
Great website btw z5, keep the good work up :-)
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@Calen:
Well, it is really strange but somehow most pc demos don't appeal to me either. I follow the pc-scene too but for some strange reason, very few pc demos have actually impressed me. Dunno why. I don't really like the "plastic, billion colors, tons of layers on top of each other, this looks just perfect" style that most demos seem to have. Strange really...
And yep, i really love fast paced synchro stuff too. The demos you mention and ofcours stuff like most Polka brothers demos.
As for my site, i ain't gonna stop yet ;-) I have about 100 demos and 900 screenshots waiting on my HD :-) By the way, next update will feature some real oldskool classics again (a clue: this isn't a f***cking demo, it's a scoopex demo :-P )
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By the way, if somebody is interested in the pc demoscene, some people are putting together a DVD with the best demos (both oldskool and newskool). As far i can tell, the quality of the DVD will be fantastic and very professional.
The project is done by some people from the very well known and respected pc archives Hornet.
Available this autumn, this is a must buy (for me at least ;-) ). If the project turns out a succes, then they want to make an Amiga DVD next!
Check it out at demoDVD project (http://www.demodvd.org/)
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Cool,
Now there are at least 3 Belgians in here.
Maybe we can start a new amiga-club in Belgium :-)
Or maybe a new Demo Group ?
Greetz,
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aww sounds great, Amiga best demos all ready to watch on DVD :-o
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Hmm...I think I heard something about one of the
2D-gfx artists from TBL (not Louie, the other guy
...Danny!) is working as a Matte-painter at the
company which produce special/visual effects for
Harry Potter. Very talanted guy!!
Oh...I don´t mind when groups like Mad Wizards
make demos for high-end Amigas. Alot of 3d, but
Cruel Karma Forms has some really cool effects that
I havn´t seen much of in the PC-scene...
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My favourite (oldskool) demos are Alcatraz: Odyssey (the 40 minutes long show), Phenomena: Enigma (esp. the music of Tip), Budbrain: Megademo (the toilet :-D ) and Spaceballs: State of the Art.
These demos are available in WHDLoad version too. The "nowadays" demos differ, that it's gfx mostly drawn at pc (then converted), the sound is open mp3 (then downsampled). Some of them requires 3D card (Potion intros, MAWI demos), which I would like to watch, but I haven't got a 3D card (because only few Amiga programs use it).
The old demos had much better atmosphere. To learning code on Amiga was very hard (programming books hard to come by), almost all of the graphic was pixelized (just some digitized, because that time appeared digitizers) and great sounds delivered (Tip,Mantronix,Firefox).
bye,
enzo
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I used to be the graphics artis of a small almost completely unknown demo group from Sweden called fACTOR. Made it to a fourth place on "The Party" (-97 I think) in denmark as our best achivement. Those were the days... :-)
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OK, the idea of DVD demo's etc sounds really peachy, but the jaw dropping stuff was something like SOTA on a SINGLE FLOPPY!!!! , I've heard some people on here saying 'aaah well when OS4 and A1 appear, i'll get cracking in some C'
What made us different gentlemen was we did it in assembler and fitted it into a stupidly small space of media.. if we start banging out huge demo's .. no matter how pretty on DVD's or CD's then the point is lost... we would no longer be kings... and to this day .. we are the kings of the demo scene.. no one, and i mean no one has even come close....
Look at the intro's ffs, as soon as the floppy went in the drive - blip- eye candy and rockin tunes!!!
We must not get complacant just because we have 600MHZ to play with and a new graphics architecture... stay with the old skool thinking and lets show the world what the amiga can do!!!!!!!
Best Regards as always
Skyraker who is called Skyraker.
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SamFace : I'm not an active scenemember on Amiga, just collect cool demo's that I get, but Factor is a group that I've got sum stuff of, so it's probably not so unknown as you think it is !!
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Hey z5 you have your avater based on the Bud Brain Demo that was cool. However Retena Burn was the first time my Amiga rocked the house, with flashy epelectic fit enducing images. :-D
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Mike_Amiga wrote:
Hey z5 you have your avater based on the Bud Brain Demo that was cool. However Retena Burn was the first time my Amiga rocked the house, with flashy epelectic fit enducing images. :-D
Retena Burn, i remember this demo ;-) Talking about flashy epelectic fit enducing images, i still remember being really impressed by a demo called Humanoid. It came on a disk with two other demos (an art of noise tune and a michael Jackson tune). I still have the disk! It had a pumping techno track (probably ripped from commercial tune) and lots of flashy visuals. At that time, i was AMAZED. :-o
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Z5 humanoid was the first demo I had on my A500 all the spinning sausages on plates flashing!!! My budgie used to have a fit watching that. Like the other point made the smaller the better assembler programming a true art. I went on a programming course once and the tutor said assembler was no faster than C (B*llsh*t)... He was a winbloze freak and had no idea what could actually be done on a system and thought API's where the only way.
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while were on the subject I am really struggling to find an old MOD I dont know the name but it came on a PD disk called TOP TOE TUNE. The samples on it consisted of Baldrick from blackadder, Kittens and IceT. Anyone got any idea what it was called or actually have it. It's probably from about 1990 roughly.
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That wouldn'thappen to be the tune that uses Baldrick saying "I have a cunning plan" and another sample saying "'ow much d'you charge fer a good 'ard shaaaagggg" would it?
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_Steve _ you are right my lad pleeeeeese pleeeeeese pleeeeeeese tell me the name as i mis it too much
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I'll go one better....give me your email addy, and a day and I'll send it to you :-D
I just have to find the CD I have it stuffed on.
Found it...in case you want to look for it, it is called:
"mod.get down EM3"
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Well most of the Amiga Demo's I've seen were the ones that people did in 65816 assembly for there SNES. I think I've seen them one some "less then very legal" software too. But oh well
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Found it...in case you want to look for it, it is called: "mod.get down EM3"
"getdown em3" by Seb/Almathera? Yep, it's on AMP (http://amp.dascene.net/). Just can't stop puffing this site. :-)
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_steve_ you are a true star you have solved a 4-6 year quest a true genious any hardware help or software help you need just yelp.
Cheers me dears
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the Ice T part i was confused about but there was a track with I am a nightmare walking sample that appeared on the same floppy any ideas?????
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:-D "Phenomena Enigma" - now there was a demo that got the juices flowing (so to speak). Great music (still got the MOD), loads of variety. Maybe not the most advanced demo ever but POLISHED!!!
Ah - those were the days! :-P
Just off to listen again
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If you really want to see great PC demo graphics, and really think they aren't as nice as the amiga, I dare you to check out this page on an Nvidia graphics board.. Download the demos, they will blow you away...
http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?PAGE=power_demos
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> Is there a hd-version of Desert Dreams of Kefrens ??
check the aminet and you'll find this:
oms-dfhd.lha demo/aga 26K 274 HD installer for Desert Dream (Kefrens)
And another great demo which everyone should see is Arte by Sanity. It's my favourite and better than Desert Dream IMHO!
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And one place to get new scene productions is http://jpv.wmhost.com/releases/
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If any of you want to watch some of the best PC demos you can take a look at Demoo (http://demoo.calodox.org/)
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I dunno if someone's mentioned it, but to catch some of that good ol' feeling, hit:
www.totalkaos.de
Old-school all the way! :-D
/Regards
Stefan "Syke" Falk
www.amigaextreme.com