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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: sim085 on November 19, 2008, 09:03:31 AM
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Hi,
When my A500+ came to my family it came without any monitor. At first we connected the A500+ to our television set and after that we connected it to an older Amstrad CPC 464 monitor through an RGB converter. Now I was thinking to actually buy a monitor for my A500+ however I do not know what was the (sort to speak) the official monitor for it. Does anyone have any ideas?
Thanks and Regards,
Sim085
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Commodore 1084 or Philips CM 8833.
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I personally did a small research on this. My opinion is that the Commodore 1084 is the most official monitor for the A500+. However there are so many versions of it!! and I cannot figure out what the differences are and which one of these versions is mostly related the A500+ (since if I am not wrong it was also available for the A500).
Thanks for your reply,
Sim085
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Amstrad CPC 464 monitor will give you a blurry image compared to a good old commodore 1084s.
Commodore 1084s is fine for an A500, they are perfect for games (or watching TV using the TV modulator).
Anyway, if you live in Europe perhaps you'll have more fun using a SCART cable with your TV. It provides better picture quality than connecting trough antenna cable.
IIRC I owned a 1084S-D2, I think it was produced by Daewoo and supported 70Hz screenmodes
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i started off with a 1084s that looked the same as the 1081 on amiga hardware book, just it didn't have the scart port and had a 1084s badge on the front.
one of the colour guns died, and i sent it off for repair. but commodore being commodore, didn't repair it, but sent me a new 1084s (http://www.zimmers.net/anonftp/pub/cbm/pictures/other/1084s.gif) with a more curvey case and a power light like the amiga's power/drive lights. plus i've seen this monitor outside the UK with an "amiga" badge as opposed to the commodore badge... so i guess this was as official as it got. :-)
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The 1084s image on amiga-hardware.com is different then the one on the link provided - I guess as you suggested there where different models of the same type.
Also what do you people think of the 1084s-D1? Or this came later then the A500+ (I do not know why I like that one more then the curvy 1084s).
Regards,
Sim085
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1084S is the best monitor for playing games in any Amiga. I have one since 1991 and still working flawwlessly. 17 years!!! Can you stay with the same monitor 17 years without going for service? Hehe... 8-)
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Yes but there are so many versions of the 1084s that it is hard to pick one!
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Mine is 1084S-P1 (with Philips tube, that's why)! :-D
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Are you trying to say you have acceptable offers for each ever produced version ?
A while ago, I was damn close to import a Philips CM8833-II, but shipping costs killed the deal.
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Actually the 1080 was the first monitor available for the 500...
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Yes, but it was not stereo, and it was not a video monitor too.
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Not Stereo but it did have a video in...
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I still have two of them. When We started selling video toasters we used them for program and preview out monitors.
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(http://www.amigau.com/aig/newa500.jpg)
I always consider the 1084S to be the official monitor of the 500 and 500+ (and 600 for that matter)
The A1200/4000 I find the 1942 the official monitor
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This is the one I like most :) What are the numbers behind the 'S' for this model? Because as I said there are many variants of the 1084S!
Thanks again,
Sim085
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I personally did a small research on this. My opinion is that the Commodore 1084 is the most official monitor for the A500+. However there are so many versions of it!! and I cannot figure out what the differences are and which one of these versions is mostly related the A500+ (since if I am not wrong it was also available for the A500).
I agree that the 1084 series is the definitive "Amiga 500/500+ monitor." There isn't really a specific revision that is "more correct" than another, though. As far as I know, no Amigas were packaged by Commodore with a monitor included. The package deals were put together by the independent 3rd party vendors who usually just included whichever 1084 variant they happened to have in stock at that time.
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The "D2" probably would have been selling around the same time as the 500+. They all essentially perform the same, though some of the earlier 1080/1084's with Japanese tubes might have a slightly better picture.
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Thanks to everyone for the replies. I made a quick search on eBay and the price is not that high, however shipping is too much. I will wait to see if something in the UK or other parts of Europe becomes available and check what the shipping costs would be.
Thanks again,
Sim085
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The "D2" probably would have been selling around the same time as the 500+. They all essentially perform the same, though some of the earlier 1080/1084's with Japanese tubes might have a slightly better picture.
Don't know for sure, but I had a "D2" and it was the "White" color of the A1200, not the beige color of the A1200. Which is why I got that one. The D1s of the day were that darker A500 color. Don't know if all D2s are A1200 white though.
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That's right - I forgot the 500+ was still beige. (Now that I think about it, I recall the "D2" being released with the A600, while the 1942 was for the A1200.)
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A cheap saisho TV from Dixons.
Well, that'w what I had back in 91 ... Seeing as most people I knew never bothered with a monitor and used a cheap TV I think that makes it official.
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Commodore 1081
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It was the 1081 - not 1080...
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Phantom wrote:
Yes, but it was not stereo, and it was not a video monitor too.
My Commodore 1081 is still hooked up to an VCR as Monitor via the "Euroscart AV" at its back...
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Hi Sorry to bring this up again... but had another question!
If I buy a 1084s monitor then what will the picture quality be? Will it be something like this:
http://www.amiga.org/gallery/photo.php?lid=2533&cid=1
(Amiga.org site in the background image is very pixilated)
or will it be better? If it is like the above then would there be any way to improve it?
Thanks and Regards,
Sim085
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If I buy a 1084s monitor then what will the picture quality be? Will it be something like this:
It'll be that resolution... It'll look like looking at that picture through a television, though. There's some good and bad to that.
The good news is that the pixels really smooth out in the glow of the CRT, and that resolution doesn't look bad, at all on that size of device.
The bad news is it would be flickering. a lot. 640x400 NTSC interlace and 640x512 PAL interlace are NOT easy on the eyes for any length of time.
If it is like the above then would there be any way to improve it?
You won't be looking at it close enough to see the pixelation. You'll be saying "OW! MY RETINAS! THEY BURN!"
:lol:
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So considering I have an A500+ can I do anything to solve the flickering? I saw on eBay some flicker fixers but do not know if they are related!
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Dealing with same problem, I decided to wait and see if Jens releases OCS/ECS version of new Indivision SD/FF. That would eventually bring display isseue close to full resolution.
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So considering I have an A500+ can I do anything to solve the flickering? I saw on eBay some flicker fixers but do not know if they are related!
No need for flickerfixers or anything! You can do what I did if you have an ECS amiga (500+): buy an Amiga 1438 monitor (or a Microvitec 1438, it's the same) and use HighGFX from aminet. You can have resolutions up to 1024x768 (with flickering) or 1024x384 WITHOUT flickering which is quite acceptable I believe! But remember, this can be done only with an A500+, not with an A500!
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And also not with a 1084s monitor ... right?
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sim085 wrote:
This is the one I like most :) What are the numbers behind the 'S' for this model? Because as I said there are many variants of the 1084S!
Thanks again,
Sim085
The S means you get the stereo sound
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And also not with a 1084s monitor ... right?
No, not with a 1084. You need a 'multiscan' monitor that supports 15-31KHz. The 1438 is probably the cheapest of this kind - and one of the few that you can still find.
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Right, to clear it all up:"
1080 (A1000 style)
1081 (brick model, nice dark tube!)
1084 (most common model, brick model like the 1081, powerbutton on the front)
1084s (same as above but with two speakers)
1084s-D1 (newer model, power button on the back)
1084s-D2 (newer model, white casing to match A600/A1200)
Considering the time line, the only "original" model monitor to go with the A500+ would be the 1084s-D1.
If you want to go MultiSync the model you'd be looking for is the 1950.
The 1960 is a newer model; also in the A600/A1200/A4000 colour. The 1438/1538/1764 are all later models from the Amiga Technologies era. (rebranded Microvitek monitors)
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Hi again,
I bought the 1084s (I hope D1 and not D2) monitor from Germany. I do not know if it will turn on or not when it arrives. However I wanted to ask something. Is there anything to keep in mind before connecting it to my A500+? Also could I just change the plug from the Germany 2-pin style to the UK 3-pin style? In Malta (the country I live in) electricity plugs is the same as that in the UK, i.e. - 3-pin.
Regards,
Sim085
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Hi,
Wanted to ask another thing about the 1084s. In some photos (like this one: http://www.amiga-hardware.com/display_photos/10842sd1_1_sm.jpg) the front door has a small elevation on it, while in other photos (like this one: http://www.amigau.com/aig/newa500.jpg) the front door does not have this elevation. Does this mean anything?
Thanks and Regards,
Sim085