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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: cicero790 on November 09, 2008, 12:34:40 AM
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What is this?
http://anubis-os.org/
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Building hype?
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looks like Vapourware v0.1 alpha
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What makes you think this is for Amiga? The website says nothing about the hardware platform it is for.
I know of somebody on DevMaster.net who goes by the screen-name Anubis but I didn't see a mention of it on there either.
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it was on Dammy's sig also on a current thread "why are we at war"
here's the replyQuote:
Interesting, is this new 'Anubis' OS a fork of Aros?
No, a AROS fork was not possible with the limited man power at hand. This is not an Amiga like OS, it's an Amiga inspired OS. Some will not like it, but they probably wouldn't like anything beyond their existing favorite(s) so to each their own. The initial WIP ISOs should not be considered the end product but mearly a point during a transitory shift. Anubis OS is aptly named.
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looks like Vapourware v0.1 alpha
One of the reasons Anubis-OS is being made public is to allow those devs who maybe interested get involved now. I know of two former AROS devs who will be active in Anubis-OS. I have a very good feeling about this, the goals are reasonable and within reach. AROS had neither.
Dammy
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dammy wrote:
looks like Vapourware v0.1 alpha
One of the reasons Anubis-OS is being made public is to allow those devs who maybe interested get involved now. I know of two former AROS devs who will be active in Anubis-OS. I have a very good feeling about this, the goals are reasonable and within reach. AROS had neither.
Dammy
Here's hoping it takes off. I don't think the Amiga platform will ever die so long as people who are passionate enough about the system continue to support it.
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not AnubOS? :roll:
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as in a newbie OS? :lol:
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Here's hoping it takes off. I don't think the Amiga platform will ever die so long as people who are passionate enough about the system continue to support it.
It will be a happy day when I can replace Fedora with Anubis on my daily use box. I wanted to replace Fedora with AROS, but without a real world browser, printing, and other things that make using a computer worth while, AROS wasn't an option. I have enough Fedora boxes to play admin on, I don't want to do that on my daily use box. Anubis should be the happy middle that I've dreaming about.
Dammy
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yay.. yet another amigaish OS, just what we need... or maybe not.
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dammy wrote:
I have a very good feeling about this, the goals are reasonable and within reach. AROS had neither.
Dammy
Had? :-o
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yay.. yet another amigaish OS, just what we need... or maybe not
No, it's not Amigaish OS, it's an OS inspired by AOS. The internals are completely different.
Dammy
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dammy wrote:
yay.. yet another amigaish OS, just what we need... or maybe not
No, it's not Amigaish OS, it's an OS inspired by AOS. The internals are completely different.
Dammy
Would be cool to have another OS to play around with. 'Inspired' by Amiga is a good thing in my opinion! Hope it comes to fruition and maybe we can all test/play around with it.
I assume it's x86? Site is down so I can't really check anything out so I have no idea if it's just an idea or if it's acutally "in the works" so to speak. Are you planning on a bootable CD version?
Have fun with it and I know I'll try to keep updated on it's progress.
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I assume it's x86?
Most likely x86 and PPC. The good Dr has EFIKA and SAM440 to use. I'm always hopeful for a eventual ARM port myself. :)
Site is still down, but there isn't much to see except for bookmarking purposes when it's back up. I expect to see some documentation on Anubis maybe this week spelling out what Anubis is and it's objectives.
Dammy
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Amiga styled window manager on top of Linux, that is what I've gathered from AROS-EXEC.
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tonyyeb wrote:
dammy wrote:
I have a very good feeling about this, the goals are reasonable and within reach. AROS had neither.
Dammy
Had? :-o
AROS has neither.
There fixed that.
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Amiga styled window manager on top of Linux, that is what I've gathered from AROS-EXEC.
I hope I have this straight (yes, it's confusing to me as well):
No, Linux kernel -> amiga userland. This is not YALD (Yet Another Linux Distro), after the Linux kernel boots, it calls a program Init. Gfx sub system is xcb so x drivers can be used which means accelerated 2D/3D. The programming interface similar (but not the same) to the one known from AROS system.
Dammy
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So are we talking Amithlon or a Linux window manager?
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So are we talking Amithlon or a Linux window manager?
Not Amithlon, but Amithlon is an example.
Dammy
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I'm confused as to what this will be when it is released? So will it run any Amiga software? What makes it different from all the other OS's out there?
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Given the description, I'd have to say not it will not run any Amiga software. Not without an emulator. It will, however, run all that modern software.
Basically, a I wan't a modern Amiga OS and I want it NOW! OS.
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Is there a 'market' for an OS that runs modern software but 'feels' like an Amiga... and doesn't run any Amiga software natively?
Either it's an Amiga or it aint!
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So basically it loads a linux kernel and cuts out to UAE running AmigaDos 3.9?
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dammy wrote:
So are we talking Amithlon or a Linux window manager?
Not Amithlon, but Amithlon is an example.
Dammy
H&P have nothing to do these days. Let's bring back Amithlon and see how far it gets.
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Probably the Linux will be seen as anubis's hardware...
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So basically it loads a linux kernel and cuts out to UAE running AmigaDos 3.9?
No, that is what Amithlon did (or as close as I can tell since I never used Amithlon). Linux is a kernel with associated drivers (and whatever else you want to stuff in the kernel) and it calls init. From that point on, there isn't much going to be comparable between Linux Distros and Anubis.
Dammy
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No, I think their goals might be similar to Mac OS X.
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Well, if it works on MAC why not on Amiga.
I wish the project all well and looking very much forward to test it.
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dammy wrote:
No, that is what Amithlon did (or as close as I can tell since I never used Amithlon). Linux is a kernel with associated drivers (and whatever else you want to stuff in the kernel) and it calls init. From that point on, there isn't much going to be comparable between Linux Distros and Anubis.
Dammy
I was really exited about this, but the words "Linux kernel" acted like a bucked of cold water...
I'm not criticizing Linux, but I hope it won't be another distro willing to be different with the same "chassis" as all the other ones. There are already many different flavours of Linux available out there.
One thing that I really never liked in Linux is that sooner or later you will have to go to the command line. In the Amiga you had to use the command line only if you really need.
But as I understood, you are using the Linux kernel as a way to have easy access to available drivers. This is really smart, and a very good idea.
I wish you all the luck in the world with this project, and I hope I could contribute someday, someway.
Some people might say that Windows/Linux/Mac can supply all the computing needs anybody might want, but I believe there is still room for a new, smaller, lighter and faster system. Go for it guys!
Yesterday I was at a congress directed to embbedded C and C++ programming, and it was funny that the idea of a preemptive multitasking system would need a really fast processor and hundreds of megabytes of RAM was repeated several times almost like a mantra. Then, I just remind that the Amiga could do it at 7Mhz with 512K.
I hope that someday we could show the world that a simple board can do that, and that a modern desktop could really fly if you don't have to waste most of your RAM and processing power just running the system.
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I don't know anything about Anubis. This thread is the first I've heard of it and as I said earlier I haven't even seen the website.
That said, I can certainly see a huge difference between something like AROS, which is API compatible and hopefully would continue to grow to be close to AOS3.9, 4.1, and MorphOS so that we can cross compile programs easily enough so they run on each system. I think Wookie Chat might be a good example of this.
Now, I could be mistaken about Anubis, but I could easy see something that really has nothing more to do with AmigaOS, than "looking like it", possible using such things as C, LIBS, DEVS, S, and concepts like Startup-Sequence, User-Startup, but on maybe a highly modified Linux kernal or something.
The internals wouldn't have anything to do with current Amiga Like OSes, but could to the user could be similar. Inspered so to speak.
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OS X moved the Mac environment from it old base to a FreeBSD one. But FreeBSD is still there under the hood. I can load X Windows and run X Windows based programs in OS X. Also the link to classic was maintained by a classic environment, a sort of OS 9 in a box until it was no longer needed and then it was removed.
So what you are talking about is a Linux running a cloned Amiga environment on top with an integrated classic (OS 3.9) emulator?
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Well if they are starting from scratch, would it make it easier to have a similar "OS9 in a box" approach to Amiga/UAE? Make an Amiga workbench application (at least, games could be WHDLoad style?) when double clicked appear to run natively but really it is emulated.
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I dont think old amiga apps are going to be a priority!
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Hi mihcael
Is it right to think of the project as a nextgen Amiga inspired OS without any limitations that could theoretically level with Vista or Mac?
Is the line towards Linux going to be sharp and deep except for the low level kernel use?
If I understand the intention is not to be a Linux distro in any way?
regards
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cicero790 wrote:
What is this?
http://anubis-os.org/
Don't know, but if it turns out to get something like an "Amigaish OS X" it *could* (mind the conditional here) become cool. Depends on how much *nix will be in there and how much Amiga? How the balance will be and how it will be tied together. If it starts acting and feeling like Linux I am out...
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by cicero790 on 2008/11/10 20:12:41
Hi mihcael
Is it right to think of the project as a nextgen Amiga inspired OS without any limitations that could theoretically level with Vista or Mac?
Is the line towards Linux going to be sharp and deep except for the low level kernel use?
If I understand the intention is not to be a Linux distro in any way? regards
Im not the one to direct questions at, there is a bit more info on aros-exec (http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3056&forum=4&post_id=24627#forumpost24627)
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Sorry, thought you where Michal S. :-)
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I think it sounds pretty cool. Good luck fellas!
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@cicero
no im michael S.
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Good to meet you Michael S. Well, there is no shortage of breaking news on a supposedly completely dead platform.
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Simple answer to the original question.
No
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Fresh breath, smells good ! :)
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dammy wrote:
and it calls init. From that point on, there isn't much going to be comparable between Linux Distros
So you're going to write a Amiga-ish OS on to of Linux?
You seem to have understood how init is launched but skimmed over the rest of the details about how you intend to replace all the rest of the userland you need which is in no way Amiga like. Me thinks you'll end up with UAE running in a busybox based system.
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persia wrote:
OS X moved the Mac environment from it old base to a FreeBSD one.
None of the old Mac OS code is in OSX.
But FreeBSD is still there under the hood. I can load X Windows and run X Windows based programs in OS X.
Ugh? You could run X Windows applications on AmigaOS if you want to port one of the current implementations or write your own. I fail to see which part of OSX being "based" on some FreeBSD code (Which in turn comes from NetBSD and kin) makes it able to run X11 apps. Cygwin have an X11 implementation for Windows, maybe its based on FreeBSD too?
Does OSX retain the syscall emulation stuff that allows *BSD run commercial Linux binaries? Stuff like that would be *interesting*.
a sort of OS 9 in a box until it was no longer needed and then it was removed.
That's called an emulator.
So what you are talking about is a Linux running a cloned Amiga environment on top with an integrated classic (OS 3.9) emulator?
If Amiga-ish features are what people want why bother replacing a perfectly good environment with yet more one-man-band totally unworkable dreams... why not just support the existing projects that are working towards these goals and actually have backing. The mind boggles.
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@cantido
Why not wait until full details are out. At the moment there is just speculation about what people may or may not have heard in IRC channels.
Can someone get an interview with a developer? There isn't much info here:
http://arosshow.blogspot.com/2008/11/new-amiga-based-operating-system.html
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tonyyeb wrote:
@cantido
Why not wait until full details are out.
Anyone that isn't totally deluded knows that this is all hot air. As soon as stuff like "stripping the Linux kernel" is mentioned you know it's going to turn out a pathetic waste of time.
Dammy dislikes Fedora so he and his gang of merry men are going to write an "OS" on top of a kernel that doesn't fit the hole they want to ram it into. I might have taken it a bit more seriously if they said they were going to work on top of L4 or something....
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I agree, it seems more pipe dream than reality based. How is this different than AROS except you are starting with a Linux Kernel? And why Linux anyway? It's a monolithic kernel, which seems sort of opposite the Amiga ideal...
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the goals are reasonable and within reach
If you say so. Wake me up when there is anything to show.
The idea is kind of cool though, but it takes a lot more than programming to make an OS take off (that's why practically none of all the brave new OS projects gets anywhere in practice), and you are what, two programmers and one "community communicator"? It could become something cool, but I won't hold my breath! ;-)
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zylesea wrote:
cicero790 wrote:
What is this?
http://anubis-os.org/
Don't know, but if it turns out to get something like an "Amigaish OS X" it *could* (mind the conditional here) become cool. Depends on how much *nix will be in there and how much Amiga? How the balance will be and how it will be tied together. If it starts acting and feeling like Linux I am out...
+1
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cantido wrote:
persia wrote:
OS X moved the Mac environment from it old base to a FreeBSD one.
None of the old Mac OS code is in OSX.
That's why the new Mac OS is so much more stable, so much more usable and generally so much more interesting. That's why the Mac took off again. And just who the f*ck cares about old OS code anyway?
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So basically AROS with a kernel transplant? Sounds a bit ambitious to me. ANy you've got two people to work on it?
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persia wrote:
So basically AROS with a kernel transplant?
Nope. The facts:
* It will not be an AROS fork
* It will not be aimed at an Amiga 3.1 compatible operating system
* A stripped Linux kernel will form part of it
All these taken from: http://arosshow.blogspot.com/2008/11/new-amiga-based-operating-system.html
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Comments at the AROS Show say it is not going to use a stripped down Linux Kernel.
Can't be an AROS fork. Using a Linux Kernel kills the idea of a fork. Unless you know of someone insane enough with loads of free time to get the Linux Kernel APIs and the AROS API to work together somehow.
The whole project was spurned out of one devs bounty attempt and his frustration of haveing to fix and/or add APIs and components to AROS in order to try to get the port he was working on the possibility of working.
So, I assume that this will be a non-backwards compatable modern vision of Amiga OS.
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This is from AW
As long as i had talked with both michal and m0ns00n on IRC, it looks to me like it is their intention to give a full look and feel amiga, in short: libraries, devices and so on; even the graphic system, beside being based on xcb, looks it maybe might use part of zune or a similar philosophy, plus i remember they told me is expected a partial API compatibility with aros.
I am more concerned that people might think that because of anubis aros will be neglected and forgot; being an open source project,it might be taken over by somebody else, plus anubis and aros have different targets: anubis aim more at new machines while aros has also old hardware as target reference. The two projects can convive and interoperate (AROS can run hosted on anubis as far as i know); probably even attract more developers to an amiga-like approach to programming, thing that so far is kinda hard due to the lack of documentation and tools.
More than else, i reckon Michal say that being amiga an history of lost occasions, he want to make Anubis OS what Amiga os 4 or even aros should have been. Sounds a bit like what apple did with os-x, having even the old sandboxed os-9 in the earliest incarnations of os-x; considered that a leap is anyway required because even the new os4.1 still has its problems i see it as a good move.
I honestly support both, but my main focus now is on aros; is the closest to work properly and will be one of the foundations (license allowing) for its son. Just IMO we should support all amiga os incarnations at least emotionally: been outside of amiga environment for some year and when i came back to see how things were going, especially due to aros progresses, i found a severe fragmentation; i would like more to see all systems doing some kind of cooperation inorder to enlarge the applications range and, hopefully the userbase under all the Amiga OS incarnations.
saimon69
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Yep, the death of AROS I'm afraid. Instead of one never ending project we'll have two. Makes no sense but such is the open source world, you can't tell people where to spend there time, even if it's a waste, it's their time to waste...
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by persia on 2008/11/11 7:38:35
So basically AROS with a kernel transplant? Sounds a bit ambitious to me. ANy you've got two people to work on it?
Think they might have more then 2 people...
from http://aros-wandering.blogspot.com/ (http://aros-wandering.blogspot.com/)
There's a new name on the block regarding AmigaOS Family OSes. It's name is Anubis (The ancient Egyptian God of Death - no comments as every is already been made!) and it's main premise is to build an Amiga like OS on top of the linux kernel. And guess what?!
In the developper team there are some pretty top names from the AROS development, such as Ola Jensen, Robert Norris, Alex gappern, Hogne Titlestad, Michal Schulz, Michael Grunditz, Oliver Brunner, Olivier Tigreat, Pavel Fedin, Stanisław Szymczyk...
As it's in planing stage, there's still very few info and detail is scarce at the moment, but if you would like to know more check it's web-site (Still WIP):
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The idea is kind of cool though, but it takes a lot more than programming to make an OS take off (that's why practically none of all the brave new OS projects gets anywhere in practice), and you are what, two programmers and one "community communicator"? It could become something cool, but I won't hold my breath!
If I knew as little as you did, I'd probably feel the same way.
Dammy
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persia wrote:
Yep, the death of AROS I'm afraid. Instead of one never ending project we'll have two. Makes no sense but such is the open source world, you can't tell people where to spend there time, even if it's a waste, it's their time to waste...
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Without any real insight into this project, and having been an AROS supporter since 1999... I have to say I really like the idea of Anubis... I've been thinking about such a project since I first used MacOS X in 2005...
AROS has pretty much reached the pinnacle of what it can... The AmigaOS design is flawed, and AROS has hit those flaws. AROS is a very nice open source AmigaOS Clone (That I'm hoping will be backported to 68k for UAE use). Now is the time to move on to a new concept, I like the Term "Carbonizing" AmigaOS (a term borrowed from MacOS X and one I've been throwing around since 2005, search AROS-Exec.org for more info) .
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You aren't going to be able to run a modern os on 68K based machines, I can't see how a back port would be possible. Also it would be nice to see it on QNX which is Microkernel based and much more designed to the Amiga ideal.
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He was talking about getting AROS backported to 68k for UAE use. Which would give us an Amiga compatiable OS and ROMs free of Amiga, Inc.
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persia wrote:
You aren't going to be able to run a modern os on 68K based machines, I can't see how a back port would be possible.
Oh, what a pity! What a shame! What a terrible, unpleasant disgrace, in year 2008!
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You aren't going to be able to run a modern os on 68K based machines, I can't see how a back port would be possible. Also it would be nice to see it on QNX which is Microkernel based and much more designed to the Amiga ideal.
Neutrino and Dragonfly were originally considered but the question of hardware support popped up. As Apple proved, if you can hide the unix style ugliness below the GUI, even Macheads can not only use it, but brag about it. Days of 7MHz 68000, micro kernels made sense. Today's multi core, not too many will be impacted with a slimmed down monolithic kernel. With todays god like gfx cards, end users demand hardware acceleration for 2D/3D. The end users have paid for a great gfx card, shouldn't they get the benefit that they paid for?
I think the Amiga Community should stop thinking of the past as the current standards and demand today's standards. Lets compare what we demanded and got from our Amigas back in the 80s and very early 90s, we got a killer machine for minimal money. Why is it today people will settle for the opposite, because they are chained to the past? For the purest out there, let me remind you that C= used TripOS to base AOS on. You and I both know if the owners of C= IP got a bunch of money, huge contracts, and old C= coders back, they would jump to a modern kernel in a heartbeat to restart AOS.
Anubis doesn't have money, contracts, IP, but it does have a burning in the belly for what today's AOS should be. It damn well better squeeze every possible drop of horse power out of it's existing hardware, just like AOS did on the Amiga, with no excuses.
The reason why Anubis was shoved into the public eye was not for end users for some prepay scam. It was done to get the word out to like minded developers that they can make a difference at the beginning of a OS development. How many Amiga devs left for Linux/BSD? They now can put their knowledge of both AOS and Linux to work. Anubis can be found on source forge under ARIX (http://sourceforge.net/projects/arix).
Dammy
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dammy wrote:
Neutrino and Dragonfly were originally considered but the question of hardware support popped up. As Apple proved, if you can hide the unix style ugliness below the GUI, even Macheads can not only use it, but brag about it.
So after all that you're creating a graphical shell? Woooopdedooo! Which begs the question; Why don't you just improve whats already there?
Days of 7MHz 68000, micro kernels made sense. Today's multi core, not too many will be impacted with a slimmed down monolithic kernel. With todays god like gfx cards, end users demand hardware acceleration for 2D/3D. The end users have paid for a great gfx card, shouldn't they get the benefit that they paid for?
Actually, on multicore machines a microkernel design would work best.. You also seemed have missed that Windows is microkernel based, OSX uses mach in its layers of "stuff apple bought"... and biggest omission is a pretty major one; Barely any support for graphics hardware comes from the kernel in Linux.
Anubis doesn't have money, contracts, IP, but it does have a burning in the belly for what today's AOS should be. It damn well better squeeze every possible drop of horse power out of it's existing hardware, just like AOS did on the Amiga, with no excuses.
Give it up. You think you going to do better than the thousands and thousands of active developers the major operating systems, Xorg, KDE, Gnome etc etc have? Maybe you could ebay a reality check.
like minded developers that they can make a difference at the beginning of a OS development.
Any serious developer should see this for the joke it is. God help anyone that thinks that something worth while is going to come from this.
How many Amiga devs left for Linux/BSD? They now can put their knowledge of both AOS and Linux to work. Anubis can be found on source forge under
It doesn't matter what platform you develop on anymore, most people use the gnu compilers, the gnu libraries.
It isn't the 1980's anymore, wake up.
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Yep, they want to keep the bad things about the linux kernel (monolithic architecture) and throw away the good thing (all the tools, languages and XOrg). You'd be better off fixing the kernel in Linux rather than mucking around in the bits that are mature.
Amiga folks seem to think that the years still start with 19...
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So after all that you're creating a graphical shell? Woooopdedooo! Which begs the question; Why don't you just improve whats already there?
Guess you just skimmed over what I posted and not actually consider what I said. But I fully expected those in the other camps to be noisy and you've confirmed it.
Dammy
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I will reserve my judgement for a first release. I'm not a fan of making opinions of stuff that isn't even released yet. Good luck and hopefully you will blow our socks off!
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persia wrote:
Yep, they want to keep the bad things about the linux kernel (monolithic architecture)
Look at the process tree on a recentish Linux based system and you'll notice a lot of stuff doesn't run inside the kernel where it once did. A great deal of the low level api's are also now available to userland applications via interfacing libraries so it's totally possible to write drivers that run in userland, you can even write file systems within the userland. And almost everything can be built into a loadable module, so the "monolithic" thing isn't a Big Deal(TM).
If they don't like Xorg, they could work on a desktop for DirectFB or something. But pretending to write a Linux based AmigaOS is just plain silly.
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Actually, on multicore machines a microkernel design would work best.. You also seemed have missed that Windows is microkernel based, OSX uses mach in its layers of "stuff apple bought"... and biggest omission is a pretty major one; Barely any support for graphics hardware comes from the kernel in Linux.
Ough, coff, coff... any decision you'll take, you'll have to read the rants of people that DO NOTHING but repeating that there are better ways to do things.
Well, maybe, but none has done them: so we're again at the starting point. Do you think microkernels are better options? So create your own AmigaOS dialect based on a microkernel, choose the one you want and DO IT. The day Anubis will be ready and a complete mess, you'll probably prove to be right. But before this will happen, just look at what come out like me and others are doing, it's clever.
The Amiga community is at this dismission point just because it is too much interested in stupid religion wars (the red versus the blues, the microkernel versus the monolithic one, the PPC versus the X86, Goldrake versus Mazinger and so on...), instead of DOING THINGS. I respect who DOES THINGS.
Give it up. You think you going to do better than the thousands and thousands of active developers the major operating systems, Xorg, KDE, Gnome etc etc have? Maybe you could ebay a reality check.
Where have I read this long ago? Ooooh, don't tell me... I have it... YES!!! That was when someone started talking about that wasteful "Amiga Replacement Operating System": it can't be done, they said. Well: that's here. Nobody said Anubis should be ready in two weeks.
It doesn't matter what platform you develop on anymore, most people use the gnu compilers, the gnu libraries. It isn't the 1980's anymore, wake up.
Haven't you noticed that's EXACTLY WHY the Anubis project has been started on? Not only people use the gnu compilers and libraries, but they also use Mozilla (instead of Ibrowse), OpenOffice, Photoshop, Gimp, Premiere and countless other modern applications that will NEVER be available for AmigaOS (and also for AROS and MorphOS) due to their structural limitations and scarce diffusion.
It's time to understand what can and can't be done, and move further. If we can have best of both worlds, well, I'll be happy with it. But I won't stay here forever, in front of my SAM with AmigaOS 4.1 and its couple of tiny apps, repeating to myself how this wonderful operating system is, and how unlucky we are. The day someone will give me a linux-based AmigaOS clone with modern feature and stronger API, I will be happy.
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about AnubisOS...
I hope the coming web site tells more about how AnubisOS differs from other AmigaLike OSs of the x86.
For example when compared to:
http://www.rocklyte.com/athene/screenshots/omega1.html
Anyone here used AtheneOS?
Is it any good, really?
Other "fast ones": http://vectorlinux.com/
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by paolone on 2008/11/12 14:48:26
It's time to understand what can and can't be done, and move further. If we can have best of both worlds, well, I'll be happy with it. But I won't stay here forever, in front of my SAM with AmigaOS 4.1 and its couple of tiny apps, repeating to myself how this wonderful operating system is, and how unlucky we are. The day someone will give me a linux-based AmigaOS clone with modern feature and stronger API, I will be happy.
To all:
One of the nice things, there are no real show stoppers once someone decides to integrate EUAE into Anubis. I expect now that two of the core devs are finishing up moving their families (non-Anubis related), Anubis development will start to pick up this month. :lotsacoffee: M0ns00n stated he thought the new web site should be open in January. That should have documentation to settle most questions about Anubis internal works.
Dammy
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@dammy
once someone decides to integrate EUAE into Anubis
If you ever wondered why people are sceptical when you talk about Anubis: This quote is a prime example.
You've been talking about UAE integration for AROS for what, seven years? And it didn't happen so far. Now you abandoned AROS, you're promoting a new project (for which not a single line of code has been written yet) and of course "there are no real show stoppers once someone decides to integrate EUAE into Anubis".
Sigh.
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Now you abandoned AROS, you're promoting a new project (for which not a single line of code has been written yet) and of course "there are no real show stoppers once someone decides to integrate EUAE into Anubis".
Sigh.
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How would you know whats been done or not?, there have been quite a lot more then a single line of code written... only mistake we did was to let people know about the project untill we had something to show. On a positive side though, several developers have joined up so it wasent all bad.
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by cgutjahr on 2008/12/11 10:20:49
If you ever wondered why people are sceptical when you talk about Anubis: This quote is a prime example.
You've been talking about UAE integration for AROS for what, seven years? And it didn't happen so far. Now you abandoned AROS, you're promoting a new project (for which not a single line of code has been written yet) and of course "there are no real show stoppers once someone decides to integrate EUAE into Anubis".
TeamAROS EUAE integration bounty was assigned to Evil Rich which he did nothing on for six months and wouldn't even respond to emails asking for status or updates. Money has been raised for it, it's a question of someone reliable wanting the bounty. One has to wonder if Evil Rich intentionally got the bounty to put any integration further behind schedule of OS4.1's release since he does (or did at the time) work for Hyperion as a subcontractor.
Yes, public statements of no code being done currently is what the official statement is as nothing has yet to gone into the official SVN. The official statement is indeed correct.
If you want to {bleep} about AROS' lack of development, I'll gladly chime in with you, but I will point out the history behind it as well. There are exactly four TeamAROS/Power2People bounties that I care about for AROS as they have impact on Anubis in some shape or form. Two will eventually help Anubis and two are eating up an Anubis Dev's free time. AROS in the mid 1990s was a great idea, but today, it's long in the tooth and I can't see it going much further then it is today. Pity so much of my time and money failed to push AROS forward, it was not ment to be.
Dammy
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One has to wonder if Evil Rich intentionally got the bounty to put any integration further behind schedule of OS4.1's release since he does (or did at the time) work for Hyperion as a subcontractor.
Nice conspiracy theory. Then why he releases E-UAE for BeOS, OSX, OS4... I guess he hates AROS.
BTW you don't have a clue about what Richard did or did not for OS4.1 so why you don't simply shut up instead of spreading {bleep}?
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Crumb wrote:
One has to wonder if Evil Rich intentionally got the bounty to put any integration further behind schedule of OS4.1's release since he does (or did at the time) work for Hyperion as a subcontractor.
Nice conspiracy theory. Then why he releases E-UAE for BeOS, OSX, OS4...
Do those releases by any chance incorporate any integration at any level beyond the regular all-platform filesystem thingy ?
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by Crumb on 2008/12/11 12:08:31
Nice conspiracy theory. Then why he releases E-UAE for BeOS, OSX, OS4... I guess he hates AROS.
None of the above would effect OS4 sales negatively. Having a free Amiga like OS that has EUAE integration on dirt cheap hardware (or free hardware), would.
BTW you don't have a clue about what Richard did or did not for OS4.1 so why you don't simply shut up instead of spreading {bleep}?
Oh, I hit a nerve huh? Care to enlighten me on why Evil Rich didn't reply to repeated emails or at the very least, post something on AE stating he was withdrawing from the bounty instead of letting it drag out, month after month?
Dammy
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@dammy:
One has to wonder if Evil Rich intentionally got the bounty
Obviously, Rich eats small children for breakfeast. All OS4 developers do.
You don't get the point: I don't think you're doing the Anubis project any favours with your current behaviour.
Anubis will be a major undertaking, no matter what it's actually supposed to be like in the end. Of all people, you should be the one who appreciates that Amiga users are sceptical about it - after all, you spend a lot of your spare time on moobunny laughing about over-enthusiastic Amiga users.
What you do instead, is trying to hype a product that's not existing yet and that probably won't be useful for end users for quite some time. You're trying to badmouth the critics ("I fully expected those in the other camps to be noisy") or the competition and you're explaining to us why we're all stupid for not loving Anubis as much as you do.
Sounds familiar to me. If only I could remember the name of that AROS advocate who told me that OS4 and MorphOS will never be as useful as AROS, just a few months ago.
If I knew as little as you did, I'd probably feel the same way.
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Yes, public statements of no code being done currently is what the official statement is as nothing has yet to gone into the official SVN. The official statement is indeed correct.
This is a Mike Bouma parody, right?
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Obviously, Rich eats small children for breakfeast. All OS4 developers do.
What part of Evil Rich being a subcontractor for Hyperion did you miss?
You don't get the point: I don't think you're doing the Anubis project any favours with your current behaviour.
Because I'm calling attention to being shafted by Evil Rich who happens to be a subcontractor to Hyperion? Whatever.
Dammy
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I think it's a shame that AROS developers are being syphoned off to do a new Linux distro, Linux distros are so boring, I've worked on one of them, but never again, it's just not fun. I also started