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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: redrumloa on November 01, 2008, 08:04:27 PM
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I might keep this bad boy for myself.
(http://i38.tinypic.com/2e5kun5.jpg)
From what I read it makes use of EDO RAM and has the fastest memory transfer of any Amiga accelerator. Anyone overclocked this badboy beyond 75Mhz?
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You got a nice Revision 6 MC68060RC50 (E41J) to go in it?
Shame it doesn't have the SCSI capability of CSPPC/CSMKIII
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Jim,
I had this same accelerator in my C= A4000T back in the early 90s. It is THE BEST 060 accelerator, bar none (IMO) unless you want to step up to a PPC card. There are plenty of SCSI cards around, not to mention the built in SCSI on your tower.
If you want the best, this is it (IMO). I used to use this card with my toaster / flyer setup.
Regards,
Ltstanfo
PS: I know it is symantics but I don't ever recall this being called an AT accelerator. I always saw it advertised as the QuikPak 060 accelerator (yours is the first model).
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alexh wrote:
You got a nice Revision 6 MC68060RC50 (E41J) to go in it?
I don't know the revision of the CPU yet, but if I keep this I will buy the best 060 possible.
Shame it doesn't have the SCSI capability of CSPPC/CSMKIII
This would be going in my A3000T which has SCSI-II already.
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Lee,
Thanks for the info. BBOAH (http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=220) states it was designed for and sold by Amiga Technologies, but later was sold by Quickpak. I assumed they were one of the same. The date stamp on it says 96, which would seem to be AT era :-?
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redrumloa wrote:
This would be going in my A3000T which has SCSI-II already.
Sure but the SCSI-3 Ultra Wide on CSPPC/CSMKIII beats any other Amiga SCSI controller by a LONG way (in terms of transfer rate, MB/s).
I'd rather have a 300% faster hard drive than 18% faster memory.
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redrumloa wrote:
Lee,
Thanks for the info. BBOAH (http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=220) states it was designed for and sold by Amiga Technologies, but later was sold by Quickpak. I assumed they were one of the same. The date stamp on it says 96, which would seem to be AT era :-?
I won't dispute that it was designed for AT. My point was simply that all of the advertising I ever saw for it called it the QuikPak 060. In any event, keep it for your A3000T although you *may* have to do the INT mod to make it work (not sure though).
Regards,
Ltstanfo
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I think it's a clearly a nice card, but if you're going to hang on to one esoteric accelerator card I'd keep the Wildfire instead, and as alexh says find a CSPPC/MKIII for the A3KT. :)
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I think it's a clearly a nice card, but if you're going to hang on to one esoteric accelerator card I'd keep the Wildfire instead, and as alexh says find a CSPPC/MKIII for the A3KT. :)
I have at least one extra MKIII, but they don't overclock as well iirc.
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At least one extra? :lol: Nice! You should be able to hit 80 MHz on the MKIII with a Rev. 6 '060, IIRC there are a few guys on the forum that have done it. (If there's an easy way to divide the memory speed like on some Apollo cards, 90 or even 100 MHz should be doable.) There's a guy on ebay selling them here. (http://cgi.ebay.com/Motorola-MC-68060-RC-50-71E41J-100-WORKING_W0QQitemZ260282906103QQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116)
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I believe that the CPU060 command can adjust the flash to enable wait states (but I am not 100% sure)
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ReDrum, What is your plan for making the accelerator fit between the motherboard and the cross support that runs from the front of your A3000T to the back and holds your hard-drive(s). To run the speeds you are talking will require fans for cooling the chips that may not fit. I certainly hope you're not planning on cutting up the cross brace and undoing some of the originality of the A3000T. You very well could be losing more than you are gaining.
Dan
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I won't dispute that it was designed for AT. My point was simply that all of the advertising I ever saw for it called it the QuikPak 060. In any event, keep it for your A3000T although you *may* have to do the INT mod to make it work (not sure though).
Regards,
Ltstanfo[/quote]
I've been running my in my A3000T for years without the INT mod. I think this is only required for accelerators that use SCSI.
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dannyp1 wrote:
ReDrum, What is your plan for making the accelerator fit between the motherboard and the cross support that runs from the front of your A3000T to the back and holds your hard-drive(s). To run the speeds you are talking will require fans for cooling the chips that may not fit. I certainly hope you're not planning on cutting up the cross brace and undoing some of the originality of the A3000T. You very well could be losing more than you are gaining.
Dan
This card fits fine in a A3000T. No cutting required.
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Your card is an 060 that is overclocked? You must have a fan at that point. If the fan fits it is blowing onto a sheet of metal just a fraction of an inch away? You don't see a problem with this? I agree an 060 will fit easily that is not overclocked and has no fan. ReDrum is talking about overclocking by a lot.
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Rev6 060 parts do not need a fan. They run almost cold at 50MHz and do not even need a heat sink at that speed.
Only serious 2x speed overclocks need anything more than a well fitted heat sink & retainer (not glued) with some thermal paste
75MHz should be fine with just a good heatsink.
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well, depends what you want i guess...
A4060
able to use EDO ram
Cyberstorm3/060
The fastest hard disk controller bar none,
64bit memory access,
PCI slot for G/rex CVPPC.
i wouldn't say no to either to be honest :-)
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alexh said:
75MHz should be fine with just a good heatsink.
About 2 years ago I sent an 060@50 to the Good Doctor in France to be upgraded. When I got it back it was upgraded to 65MHz which he said he had determined was the fastest that my particular board after his tests could be overclocked. It had 3 very small heat sinks on 3 smaller chips on the board and a large fan on the 060.
I think alexh should maybe enlighten the Good Doctor to the fact that he doesn't need any fans and that it is a waste of money even though he is one of the top techs that still does this kind of work.
I guess if anyone wants to take the chance of overclocking their accelerators without cooling them then go ahead, but you may want to check first on the availability of replacements and their price.
Dan :lol:
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I have to agree with Dannyp1: I would fit a heatsink, and some sort of fan, especially if I overclocked my accel. ... I added a fan to my A1200T 'just to be safe' and it's only a 50MHz '060 ....
Now if someone made new accelerators for classic Amiga's, that might be a different story..
There are some tiny DC fans made for e.g. Sega Dreamcast that could probably be fitted with a little creativity...
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Spending a bit of time on the airflow in the case and getting a good case fan would be a better use of your time and money.
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I'm running 80MHz with a CSMK3, Rev 6 '060 & Crucial 50ns 32Mb EDO SIMMS. I changed a jumper and added a 2nd oscillator so the SCSI and bus speed are not overclocked. The EDO memory isn't any faster in the MK3 but 50ns non EDO memory is hard to find and high quality EDO memory works fine contrary to some rumors. Memory speed does increase dramatically as the CPU is overclocked up until the memory can't take it anymore. I may be able to do 90MHz if I had an oscillator but some 60ns SIMMs were having a problem already at 80MHz. The Rev 6 '060 does run very cool even at 80MHz. It runs cooler than any '040 (even at 25MHz) I've seen.
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A CSPPC/060 when fully loaded with the CVPPC was the cats meow.
I can only speak here from my practical use here. Keep in mind I sold off my CSPPC/060 a few years ago. Since the CSPPC and the Mark 3 sahre the same scsi here are my experiences.
It's scsi speed outclassed my expen$ive stock Mac beige G3, and flyer drives of the time. Was good for processing flyer clips such as reverse clip, your basic timeline, renderFX, and audio thunder. Running the flyer and toaster software from the SCSI drive meant faster load times. I remember I was able to do a couple of things newtek said wouldn't work in regards to using HAM8 transitions, framestores, Video clips off the audio drive, and clips very close in timing to each other, wheras an 040 amiga with the IDE hard drive would get a playback error using lots of framestores and transitions.
Don't know how much ofthis is attributed to the CS060 but I figure 128 megs ram, scsi 3 18 gig hd, and an 060 couldn't hurt.