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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: Gavilan on October 29, 2008, 01:51:50 AM
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Hello guys: i have been watching lot of Amiga items on different eBay sites during last weeks, and im surprised/shocked/amazed by the end up prices of some of the Amiga items, specially, accelerators and graphic cards.
I would like to ask you, honestly, what would you pay, or consider to be the best fair price for the following items:
Picasso II card
Picasso IV card
Retina Z II card
Retina Z III card
BVision card
Amiga PPC card (040 no scsi with FPU)
Amiga 1260 card (Blizzard)
Amiga 2000 (just the computer complete, no extra cards)
Amiga 4000 ()just the computer complete, no extra cards)
Cybervision 64 card
Cybervision 3D card
Warp Engine card
Blizzard 1230 card with copro & scsi add on
Flickerfixer/Scandoubler external
All of the above, is working, with manuals/drivers, but unboxed
Your honestly opinion will mean a lot to me, in pounds, dollars or euros, thats not a problem
Kind Regards
Sebastian
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Hmmm well I am a tight git and don`t have any money at the moment but if I was financially inclined again these are the prices that I would ideally pay and would try to. Hope your not too disappointed with my answer, for me I rather spend more money on a newer Amiga as a lot of the hardware is now just too old and won`t last much longer.
Cheers,
Timo
Picasso II card: £30.00
Picasso IV card: £45.00
Retina Z II card: £30.00
Retina Z III card: £45.00
BVision card: £45.00
Amiga PPC card (040 no scsi with FPU): £100.00
Amiga 1260 card (Blizzard): £80.00
Amiga 2000 (just the computer complete, no extra cards): £40.00
Amiga 4000 ()just the computer complete, no extra cards): £100-200.00
Cybervision 64 card: £50.00
Cybervision 3D card: £60.00
Warp Engine card: £100.00
Blizzard 1230 card with copro & scsi add on: £50.00
Flickerfixer/Scandoubler external: £50.00
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a friendly reminder to gavilan : If you stick by ami junkis prices, you'll never be able to buy hardware :-P
I respect his opinions and hardware being old ans such, but reality is that everything in that list goes 2, 3 or 4 times the prices he has there (with the exception of Retina Z2 I think, which is just fair.)
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A better question is what people are paying.
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hehehe that`s true counzero, I think people probably will pay a lot more than I would usually ... I think that is why I always lose the auctions lol
countzero wrote:
a friendly reminder to gavilan : If you stick by ami junkis prices, you'll never be able to buy hardware :-P
I respect his opinions and hardware being old ans such, but reality is that everything in that list goes 2, 3 or 4 times the prices he has there (with the exception of Retina Z2 I think, which is just fair.)
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by the way, Retina Z2 doesn't have picasso96 or cybergraphx drivers, so you have to stick with its RetinaRTG drivers which kind of sucks. That's why it's considerably less valuable than other boards. Picasso II is gold, cause it's one of the best graphic cards that work on Z2. A lot of people hunt that one. Retina Z3, while having picasso 96 drivers (unlike Z2) not very desirable because it lacks pass through port. And itdoesn't work on Z2. Cybervision 64 is the best budget Z3 graphics board. I consider Picasso IV in its own class entirely, which is great value considering the AGA scandoubler it has and Z2/Z3 compatibility.
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Its amazing, I remember when I was back in the UK and it was I think `94 and I went the World of Amiga show and I managed to pick up an A3000 for 50 quid and Picasso II I think for around 30 quid, man I wish I had kept that stuff and not traded it in for an Amiga 1200 later on.
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weirdami wrote:
A better question is what people are paying.
:eureka: Checked a few links which I bookmarked a while ago, all unboxed, used condition:
Cybervision64 2MB phase5, £120 / EUR 149, 290250602671 (http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290250602671)
A4000/030, 3.1, 2Chip/16Fast, Buster11, HD/CD, £326 / EUR 406, 120320784879 (http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120320784879)
Village Tronic Picasso II, £61 / EUR 76, 280253402247 (http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280253402247)
Adiadne, Rev 1.2, £69 / EUR 86, 150278944776 (http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150278944776)
:rtfm: Please don't start to discuss these prices, that's what people have been paying at that time, that was the question here. Of course there are many other auctions, which ended lower or even higher, again, these few are just some real-world examples.
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a4k-oerx wrote:
Adiadne, Rev 1.2, £69 / EUR 86, 150278944776 (http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150278944776)
The guy who bought this is a complete sucker. He could buy a more capable card as new with only few extra euros !
:rtfm: Please don't start to discuss these prices, that's what people have been paying at that time, that was the question here. Of course there are many other auctions, which ended lower or even higher, again, these few are just some real-world examples.
why not discuss the prices ? I think everybody has the right to state their opinion about what hardware costs these days. Why does it bother you so much ? were you seller of these stuff ?
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if i was in the market for any of these, i guess i would pay....
£40-50 Picasso II card
£80-100 Picasso IV card
£40-50 Retina Z II card
£60-70 Retina Z III card
£80-90 B/CVision card
£140-160 Amiga PPC card (040 no scsi with FPU), with scsi +£30, with 060 +£40
£150 Amiga 1260 card (Blizzard)
£40-50 Amiga 2000 (just the computer complete, no extra cards)
£120-160 Amiga 4000/030 (just the computer complete, no extra cards)
£60-70 Cybervision 64 card (with full 4Mb)
£70-80 Cybervision 3D card
£60-80 Warp Engine card
£60 Blizzard 1230 card with copro and memory.
£40 scsi add on for blizz 1230/1240/1260
£80 Flickerfixer/Scandoubler external
...without wincing too much... :lol:
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Excellent answers guys!!
You are really helping me a lot!!!
Please more feedback needed!!!!
Cheers!
Sebastian
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Gavilan wrote:
Excellent answers guys!!
You are really helping me a lot!!!
Please more feedback needed!!!!
Cheers!
Sebastian
Why?? - Other than meaning "A lot" to you! :-?
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don't forget to add £50 to outgun the auction snipers! :-)
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@Kin-Hell: dont get me wrong please. Im in a very delicated financial situation, and need to sell some Amiga stuff in order to pay all my debts.
All i needed was a reference to know how much could i sell some of my Amiga items, realistic prices, not eBay overprices...
And because im selling the stuff to local amiga users (Argentina), so i dont want to rip them off, but to offer them a fair and realistic price for the items...
Sorry if i made some of you feel umcofortable about this, it was not my intention
Sebastian
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@Gavilan
eBay prices are not overpriced prices, they are a true gauge of fair market value. If you want to sell locally for a "fair price", I'd say look at ebay prices and sell for 20-30% less. it saves you eBay, PayPal fees, time and headache while you are still not getting corn-holed.
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Thanks a lot for the tip Red....you are 100% right...
Well, i didnt mean "overpriced" on ALL and EVERY item...but maybe on some items (how odd, they are always the items I want to buy!! :-D )
But i really find a lot of bargains also there...true...
thanks again!
Sebastian
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by redrumloa on 2008/10/29 10:29:50
"while you are still not getting corn-holed."
:laughing:
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one more thing I would add ... cybervision 64 is a better card than cybervision 3d (unless 3d has scandoubler, which is a 16 bit scandoubler anyway).
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aha... personal preference... that old chesnut :lol:
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A fair price is that agreed to by a willing seller and a willing buyer!
There is little doubt that RIGHT NOW old Amiga hardware is high priced;and this reflects the fact there are more would-be buyers than available hardware.Really the same for the NEW items as well.
From MY wallet's point of view,much of the Amiga goodies I want are overpriced;but then so is a new car.
Small production runs are more expensive per unit.Look at the Mediator and similar products:the board that lets us use cheap,plentiful,standard PCI cards itself cost as much as many ready-to-use complete Windows home systems.See your local Walmart,Best Buy,or whatever the big retailer is in your area.
Windows hardware is cheap because it is made in huge quantities in Chinese factories.If someone were to finally have the license and backing to order up a new run of a 1000 PPC CPU cards selling in the $200 range for the existing Amigas I believe they would be snapped up.
IDEA for those smarter than me:a small board with just the circuitry needed for one of the cheap Sonnet PPC MAC upgrade CPU cards to do the same job in an Amiga.
It's kind of silly how much some of us,including myself,have spent just to have something different.
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but then if this is your hobbie, what you enjoy, what you do to wind down, chill out, whatever, who can put a price on that sort of thing?
god knows i've spent much more on cars and car parts than i could if i'd have gone to a local dealership and bought the cheapest p.o.s. thing they offer.
but now for example, swapping a head gasget doesn't scare me, or cost me £500 in labour charges down the garage.
kinda the same for audio equipment too. as a result i have learnt about all kinds of things that i wouldn't have even known about otherwise, but it's cost me more than a £30 mini "hifi" system from argos :lol:
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What type of 040 PPC card is that? I'm looking for a CPU card for my A4000 with extra RAM on board (I have the CBM 040 25MHz with nowhere to add RAM).
You could even mail it to my work address in Brazil, but from what I've seen of the Brazilian postal system it would be safer to send it directly to the USA. :-D
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@Gavilan
"All i needed was a reference to know how much could i sell some of my Amiga items, realistic prices, not eBay overprices...
And because im selling the stuff to local amiga users (Argentina), so i dont want to rip them off, but to offer them a fair and realistic price for the items..."
Ebay is not a ripoff, it's a fair market price. Its a realistic price for hardware, a lot of which hasn't been produced in years. If you're looking for bargains you're going to need to really look hard. And if you're reselling, then thats even more of a case (I mean you won't be able to buy stuff dirt cheap and resell it in bulk quantities).
no offence in any of what I state, just stating the facts.
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Gavilan wrote:
@Kin-Hell: dont get me wrong please. Im in a very delicated financial situation, and need to sell some Amiga stuff in order to pay all my debts.
All i needed was a reference to know how much could i sell some of my Amiga items, realistic prices, not eBay overprices...
And because im selling the stuff to local amiga users (Argentina), so i dont want to rip them off, but to offer them a fair and realistic price for the items...
Sorry if i made some of you feel umcofortable about this, it was not my intention
Sebastian
Not in the Slightest Sebastian. Encouraging to think you have some chivalry about having a clear out.
Please do consider the post by recidivist & redrumola. -
Anything in this World is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.
Best of luck fella! :-)
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@Gavilan
"Well, i didnt mean "overpriced" on ALL and EVERY item...but maybe on some items (how odd, they are always the items I want to buy!! )"
I know :laughing: same way i'm watching Red's amiga 4000T and thinking jeez maybe i can buy it for less than 1000 and it turns out bummer way higher already.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=400004382938
still 3 days to go. and i'm not the only one that wants it. :-P
I was interested in this machine for CPU consideration mostly, as I got my A4000 for $650 (sure makes it look like a bargain now, if i'm desperate b/c i need bread to feed myself this is a nice investment) :-D
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Don't feel bad about the hyper-inflated prices. Nothing you can do about them, it's a collectors market. A few years ago I took pity on someone and sold them an item at a realistic price. A fortnight later it was up on Ebay and sold for a hyper-inflated price.
(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii52/lilhabhab/smiley.gif)
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I believe when people talk about certain Amiga peripherals as being "overpriced", they are attaching something of a value to cost ratio here. I know I certainly do - which is why I will not pay $500+ for an '060 card for my desktop A1200. Would I pay $300? Probably. And then do *what* with it? Play some ancient 1st person/3D games a little smoother? Watch your icons load up quicker? Or $100 for a MicroGrafx AGA card that did not work w/ PAL signals and progressive scan modes. Glad I was able to get *most* of money back out of that deal. Most though. NOT all.
In the end, as other members have mentioned, this *is* a hobby. Hard to rationalise what we end up paying for some of this stuff out of context. People/dealers/Jim(RedRum) have to remember also that there are many more ePay users with more dollars than sense. Especially these days. Get the "good" while it's still going because it ain't gonna last. The marketplace HERE is going to be different than the market place is on ePay as it is on Usenet's c.s.a.m. group. And then there are those blasted exchange rates that fluctuate more than any politicians integrity - which will forever muck up the $ to £ (or whatever) values.
In the end, my Amiga stuff is "priceless" to me. Priceless in cases like this happen to have expensive monetary values associated with them. It's not logical to feel this way, nor is it supposed to be :-)
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persia wrote:
A few years ago I took pity on someone and sold them an item at a realistic price. A fortnight later it was up on Ebay and sold for a hyper-inflated price.
They're dead now, though, right? :madashell:
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weirdami wrote:
persia wrote:
A few years ago I took pity on someone and sold them an item at a realistic price. A fortnight later it was up on Ebay and sold for a hyper-inflated price.
They're dead now, though, right? :madashell:
But with "Sh1ts" like this in our society, that's why you get the sh1t! ;-)
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I guess we all wish you could buy amiga gear as cheap as some of the apple stuff...
http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-PowerMac-G3-PC-WORKING_W0QQitemZ390003032936QQ :-D
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terminator4 wrote:
I guess we all wish you could buy amiga gear as cheap as some of the apple stuff...
http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-PowerMac-G3-PC-WORKING_W0QQitemZ390003032936QQ :-D
Apple stuff (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=170273108130) can be expensive too :-D
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I guess the irony is that the Amiga was made as a lowcost home computer which was affordable to the average home and now the prices are shooting up so that the Amiga will most likely in the future be only for the super rich. Though I can understand because there are less machines and the demand is there but I think it is sad that a machine that was made for the people will soon be available only to the ones with deep pockets.
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@ami_junki
Actually it is a myth that Amiga was ever a low cost computer. Certain models like the A500 itself you could argue for the specs it was reasonable, but even addons for the A500 were sky-high. Forget about big box Amigas, one of the reason Commodore died was the nose-bleed prices of the big boxes.
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Terminator4 wrote:
as I got my A4000 for $650 (sure makes it look like a bargain now, if i'm desperate b/c i need bread to feed myself this is a nice investment)
I thought you got a great deal considering that machine was near mint and came with a CV64/3D card :-D
How is the old beast holding up?
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@RedRumLoa
Actually it is a myth that Amiga was ever a low cost computer
I TOTALLY beg to differ on that...
The A1000 was priced competitively against other high end computers of the day (around $1500). But look how much better it was than ANYTHING ELSE in the home market at the time. It could be easily argued that this was a bargain price.
The A500 was priced downright cheap. The only thing near it's price range were the old 8-bitters. And, yes, expansions did seem expensive, but really weren't much more than for other systems. $600 for a hard drive seems a lot when it attaches to a $600 computer. Somehow that same $600 hard drive doesn't seem as outrageous when it attaches to a $1500 computer. And, really, did the Amiga 500 NEED a hard drive? Mine never did.
The A2000 was priced in the mid range of PC clones. And, again, WAY more advanced. Heck, for the price of an upper-end PC clone, you could get an A2000 with a PC emulator, and have both. That was a GREAT deal.
The A3000 started creeping up in price. Commodore was trying to define it as a high-end workstation. It was, but by name, it was associated with games market the Amiga 500 was still dominating.
The A1200 and A4000 were released late, and Commodore's goose was already cooked by this time. They weren't bargains at all, but simply sold to the people that already loved Amigas.
By 1992 or so, I'd agree that the price advantage compared to the market was a myth, but I never would have started with the Amiga at all had the A500 not been so much cheaper than any other modern computer of 1989.
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@Ilwrath
I agree with you. By early 90s CBM definitely lost its competitive edge, and none would be impressed (other than amiga users) with A1200/4000/4000T (16.7 million palette - those machines should have had 24 bit build in with all colors available to user, not just 256, but flicker fixer build in for vga monitors - just like a3000, price at least same or close to a PC compatible ) and SCSI-2 at least not slower ide.
By comparisson, paid $2000 for 386-dx40 with dot matrix printer, monitor, added Sound Blaster 16 ISA card cost $300 back then but still, who would be convinced to buy an amiga 4000? (more than $2300)
By the way anyone that thinks amigas are cheap should look at 68060s and PPC (also issue of hardware availability). :-o
Today, same challenge exists. How to make a low cost computer. The challenge to Acube/Hyperion is to find a partner, who would be willing to mass produce the next generation amiga, one with office suite, graphics package, 99% accurate emulation of classic amiga software with browser (firefox port would be nice) - motherboard price of $400. User can add cheap hardware or buy complete pre-built system for $600-700.
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@nine3o
She's holding up great. I installed a socket for the battery (so i can replace it easily with 2032). That price seems now like a good deal (at the time of purchase seemed a lot as A4000s sold for $300). But i ain't selling it, not unless i'm hungry and need bread to feed myself :roflmao: Still, considering you didn't have to ship it (this thing weighs a ton) this was good deal for both of us i hope.
I wish i could find a faster cpu for it (040 is kinda sluggish but ok)... :-)
Did you end up keeping the A1200 or you got rid of all your amiga gear? :-P
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All depends on the model of Amiga. I don't regard ANY A4000T as ever being sold cheap, brand new.
Same applies to 060s and PPCs. Nothing cheap, and at the time they came out on Amiga cards, there were cheaper and faster options on other platforms.
It is all about the sum total of the experience. That's what people pay for, components to contribute to that 'Amiga feeling'
;-)
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Kept the A1200, it's the last Amiga I have. Decided to convert all the SCSI stuff to IDE (that is a bit different since I have always ran SCSI on my Amiga gear, learning experience) so I can stuff a small IDE CD/DVD drive inside the case and free up some desk space.
It was a GREAT deal for both of us, cause I knew it was going into good hands.
But at the time, no A4000T's sold for $300, especialy a near mint one like mine.
And if you do need to sell for bread, I would gladly buy it back. :-D
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it would take a while for me to sell it (if ever) :-D
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well Amigas are slowly 'dying' but so are we, I think prices will drop but don't know when. Do you think your children will buy old Amiga hardware at all?
Also, people get bored with old games eventually and then start selling.
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orange wrote:
Do you think your children will buy old Amiga hardware at all?
I doubt they will buy amiga hardware because they never experienced the Amiga life before the crumble of C= plus they will all have some type of handheld device with them (e.g. pre-teens all having cell phones) with quite a bit of horse power that would emulate this stuff with no effort.
Considering there is already handheld emulation on the PSP and GP2X, no one will want to be confined to a desk any more and emulation will take over when our kids grow up and take our positions.
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i don't know how much of the amiga scene will get taken on by younger generations...
maybe kids these days will in years to come be fighting over PS3's and things in twenty years time?
i'm not sure about the demo scene anymore. its not like you can do any coding for an Xbox360 or is it?... iPhone SDK? yeah right... looks destined to be dominated by the latest PC DirectX powered same ol' same ol' pixel shader/stream processor workout within the sandbox of a microsoft environment...
all i know is, i'm never going to "sell up" again. what i got now and will get in the future, you can pry from my cold dead fingers! :-D
what my (if i have any) kids make of it (Dad's being backwards again!) is down to them.
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First of all, let me tell you guys that i have learnt a lot from all your different point of views.
Maybe i should have cleared out some point at the beginning of my topic, but hey, i was desperate...
anyway, i feel in some way very sad, and in some way very happy.
Why? Well, for the beginning, for me, being "forced" to sell this Amiga hardware (knowing is "priceless", or at least, knowing that only few thousands units were made (its not like a hard drive or a floppy drive for a pc, but then, try to convince my mother of that, for her, im just a "junkie collector", and i dont live in a flat, i live in a "deposit full of old useless hardware stuff) :-D ), was very difficult.
Im saying "forced", because i really needed the money, and my Amiga hardware are among the most expensive things i have in my house.
Happy, because i know for sure they went to very good hands ("new" amiga users in Argentina, a small but fast growing community), and happy becasue i could afford and paid my debts
Sad, on the other hand, because i know, these stuff is special, very special for me. I know theres live beyond Amiga, but you have no idea how many years i saved money to afford one PPC card, for example.
I was a kid reading Amiga Format or CU Amiga, and dreamed a lot about having one of those cards.
I didnt have much time to enjoy them full time, and like my mother said to me: "keep up the good memories, and the time you used them".
For me, thats an elegant way of telling me another story i dont wanna hear, but thats my problem, i know. She will never understand my passion with this loyal machine.
anyway, all my stuff, my important stuff is gone, im with empty hands, clean consious, zero money i owe to other people, and now the roll begins again...
Time to begin saving for "new" Amiga stuff....who knows, maybe im lucky and get another PPC card in the near future for a "realistic price". And please let me do an explanation here: in Argentina, our currency is VERY weak. So, to afford someting, wheter be dollars, euros or pounds, you really have to save a lot of money. Maybe that was my point, that to pay sometimes the end up prices of some Amiga eBay items, are impossible for people from this side of the world...
I dont discuss their value, and of course if there is a market and people willing to pay, then maybe thats a fair price, but i was refering to the financial situation in my country, even tough i know the financial crisis is globalized.
I really wish i could earn my salary in euros or dollars...that way i could afford 100% times more Amiga hardware (but then i would go nuts for sure...)
Maybe being an Amiga user in this part of the world is not the cheapest hobby, but hey, its SO fun!!!!
Thanks a lot guys for all support, understanding, and your points of view
Sincerely
Sebastian