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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: ddogg66 on August 29, 2003, 09:50:18 AM
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I recently formatted the HDD on my A2000 but don't know how to get the workbench software (v1.3) to copy over to the HDD. I have no experience really with doing any of this on the Amiga. I'm a Mac kid who loves the toaster. I use 2.0 software. I have all the software needed including a trump pro disk and workbench 1.3 along with 12 Toaster 2.0 disks. I have never formatted an Amiga before. I thought I'd be able to simply drag the contents from the floppy to the desktop and it would copy like modern OS's but this isn't the case. Can someone help me? Should there be an icon on the desktop for the HDD? What is the first step after formatting? CLI commands? What commands do I use. As you can see I'm totally lost here. Any help would be wonderful!! I have a Trump Pro HDD controller, Rev 6.2 Board, 2 TBC cards and maybe a GVP accelerator? Would someone pass a life preserver please :-o
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hmmm..
Never installed 1.3 to the HDD before, but I'll see what I can do.
You first need to create partitions on the HDD, using 'HDToolBox'
Then after a reboot, you will see an Icon for you new partition(s), all you should need to do then is select the icon, and select 'Initiallise' from one of the menu's, and after a few "Are you sure?" questions it will format.
This is the part I might have trouble with:
In theory you should be able to drag the icons accross from the disks to the HDD, or at least under 2.04 and higher you can, since there are files on those disks that are hidden to you, and can only be revealed with either 2.0 and higher or using the CLI.
See if there is an installer script on one of your disks, if not you may have to resort to the Shell.
:-)
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Do you have a Commodore A2091 SCSI Controller board inside your Amiga 2000? If not, I highly recommend that you buy one. I just bought today an A2091 with 2 megs of memory from eBay for less then $10.00 and that included the shipping. The A2091 is the best SCSI Controller card that you can get for an Amiga 2000. In fact, it is such a nice card that even Amiga 4000 owners use them in their computers. When you buy an A2091 board make sure that you get the software too. Here are the steps to properly formatting a hard drive on an Amiga 2000:
You must first define the new drive type and save it to the disk in DF0. Second, do a low-level format. Then verify the data on the drive, this will check the hard disk for bad blocks. Next you should partition the hard disk, the default is 2 equal sized partitions. after this is done, reboot your machine using control + left Amiga + right Amiga. DO NOT TURN THE AMIGA OFF AND THEN BACK ON (cold boot)! After workbench (from the A2091 disk in DF0) loads back up, you will see an icon for each of your partitions. The letter in front of DH0, DH1, etc. is the first letter of the actual name of the hard drive. For instance, if the hard drive is a Quantum then the icons will be named QDH0, QDH1, and so on. Now initialize each partition just like you would if you were formatting a disk. Please keep in mind that formatting an Amiga hard drive can take a long time. A 1 Gig hard drive usually takes about 2.5 hours to fully initialize. 2 to 4 gig drives take even longer. After the hard drive is formatted turn the computer off for about 30 minutes. After formatting for that long, the hard drive will usually be quite hot, so it must be allowed to cool down a bit before copying Workbench over to it. If you fail to allow for the cool-down period the hard drives life will be shortened. To copy Workbench just copy each disk, one at a time, to the hard drive by dragging the disk icon over to the hard drive icon and dropping it. You can also use a program like DiskMaster (that's what I use). These instructions are for Workbench 1.3. I hope this helps you :-D
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[edit: fixed my typos]
This should help you a bit:
Boot using your Workbench 1.3 floppy disk.
Open the Shell or CLI.
Format your harddrive partitions. The boot partition needs to be formatted as OFS. Check your manual cos I can't remember but the format syntax should be (1> is the prompt):
1> format drive DH0: name Workbench
If your boot partition is not DH0:, change the DH0: to the correct volume. This applies to all future commands too. I named it Workbench for consistency.
Make sure your Workbench partition is bootable by entering:
1> install DH0:
Change to the root directory of the Workbench1.3 floppy disk as shown below:
1> cd SYS:
Now use the following copy command to copy the full contents of your Workbench floppy disk to Workbench (boot) partition.:
1> copy #? to Workbench: all
This will copy all of your Workbench floppy to your hard disk partition.
Remove the Workbench1.3 floppy and reboot.
The hard drive should boot Workbench. Now you can use the same method to copy your extras disk, although you may want to create a new drawer and put it on that. It is not vital where you put this stuff. It is up to you, but it is best to retain a similar directory structure. Here are the commands if you want to put it in an already created 'Extras' drawer and you have put the Extras1.3 disk in your disk drive:
1> cd Extras1.3:
1> copy #? to Workbench:Extras all
You could probably get away with dragging and dropping the stuff on the extras disk if you want, but the CLI command will make sure you get it all.
Shout out if there's a problem.
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Oh dear...
The A2091 is the best SCSI Controller card that you can get for an Amiga 2000.
Why? According to whom? Because I have a GVP card, and it works fine in my machine!
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Make sure your Workbench partition is bootable by entering:
1> install DH0:
I have a problem with that statement.
It's for floppies! You do not need to install a bootblock to get a HDD to boot on the Amiga!!
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Ok, once you have the HD formatted, you need to boot from the WB floppy disk, open it and go into the shell.
Then say:
copy sys: dh0: all clone
of course replace dh0: with the label or devicename of your hard disk.
You can then reboot and copy the extras disk over,
copy df0: sys: all clone
(a reboot is a good idea, because then the copy command will be loaded from the HD. You can of course assign C: to dh0:c any time, but a reboot is easier here if you're new to Amigas)
PS. Drag 'n drop installing isn't as common outside the Mac world as you might imagine.
Many Amiga software is installable with a drag 'n drop, but many times you need to at least copy a few libraries by hand if you don't want to use installers.
OS2.0 and forward lets you view the iconless files as well on the disk, so you can also drag 'n drop install the OS if you really insist. ;-) It's best to use an installer, though, with the newer AmigaOS versions.
[edit: seems I'm a bit late, but my instructions don't have typographical or factual errors in them! ;-)]
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The A2091 is the best SCSI Controller card that you can get for an Amiga 2000.
The SCSI on the Blizzard 2060 is Fast SCSI-II, and can DMA to 32bit fast ram. It is just in another league.
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Yes you do!
Without the install command, the boot block of the Workbench partition will not be able to boot. This code is REQUIRED on any bootable partition, be that floppy disk, hard disk or otherwise.
The only thing that may be a prob there, is optimising the startup-sequence for harddrive use. I think C= put a hard drive startup-sequence for use, but since I can't remember the details, I cannot advise further on this.
It is amazing how being at work can make your responses overly formal. :-o
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Ok, guys, first off thanks for all the responses. I love an active forum. Here is my problem as it stands now. I do not know the device name of dh0 on my system. Therefore I can't enter half the commands you all listed. For example when I type:
1> fomat drive: dh0: name workbench (which isn't the real name i suppose) I get a message that says ...[noicons] at the end of the line. Keep in mind that I have absolutely no real experience maintaining an amiga. I find all this very esoteric. No info can be found on the net outside forums like these (that's my experience anyway, please show me different!)
So many responses to my question i don't know who to address first. From what i gather I first need to create partions (default 2) in order to do anything else. How do i do this if I don't know DH0 device name? I held both mouse button at boot and drives listed were: df0 and dh0 so my HDD must be dh0, right? I need to know how to make these partitions, because right now the only icon on my workbench is the icon for the 1.3 floppy-no partitiobns-no HDD (DH0 icon) and How do i make the boot partition OFS?
also do i need to do a low level format on a drive i already formatted? How does one verify a drive for bad blocks? is this not done during formatting?
Too bad one of you aren't here with me to help. I'm sure this is a simple process once you understand how it's done. Any more help would be most appreciated guys. I haven't yet left square one. :-?
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You have to FIRST define the drive parameters or else the Amiga will NOT know what type of hard drive you have installed. You MUST then do a Low-Level Format on the NEW hard drive. What I mean by new is a hard drive that has never been formatted on an Amiga before. Then partition the hard drive. Then do a warm-reboot. Then you should be able to format the hard drive partitions from Workbench, there is no need for you to go into the CLI. If you are new to the Amiga computer I highly recommend that you get yourself an A2091 SCSI Controller card with the software. The A2091 Installation Software is so EASY to use, so for beginners it is the perfect solution. If you follow my instructions IT WILL WORK! :-D
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you have to FIRST define the drive parameters or else the Amiga will NOT know what type of hard drive you have installed. You MUST then do a Low-Level Format on the NEW hard drive. What I mean by new is a hard drive that has never been formatted on an Amiga before.
The HD in my amiga was working fine before I formatted. I was running toaster 2.0 soft and workbench 1.3 was on the boot partition, so this HD is not "new" and was formatted with the amiga
Then partition the hard drive. Then do a warm-reboot
How do I partion the HD? Is a warm boot performed by pressing both left & right amiga keys plus control? I highly recommend that you get yourself an A2091 SCSI Controller card with the software. The A2091 Installation Software is so EASY to use, so for beginners it is the perfect solution. If you follow my instructions IT WILL WORK!
I don't see why I need to spend any more money as the system was working fine before I formatted (I formatted in order to fix some bad blocks on the HD) I'd love to see your idea work for me, but i don't want to do anymore purchasing as it seems unnecessary.
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first need to create partitions on the HDD, using 'HDToolBox'
Where can I get it? This seems to be what I need :-D
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DoomMaster wrote:
You MUST then do a Low-Level Format on the NEW hard drive.
IT WILL WORK! :-D
No, it may not work. Low-level formating a harddisk may make it unusable. You should never use HDToolBox to low-level format a drive.
Most harddisk makers have special tools for low-level formating thier drives. These tools perform the format while retaining the defect list and other information. Using a tool like HDToolBox wipes that information out. I learned this the hard way and I'm warning you now: DON'T DO IT. Use HDToolBox to partition the drive (but not low-level format!) and use the OS tools to format those partitions.
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@N7VQM
What you might be thinking about are IDE drives.
Don't low-level format an IDE drive.
With SCSI drives it should be fine, but it is only needed once.
Once low-level formatted, you can use it on any computer.
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You MUST then do a Low-Level Format on the NEW hard drive. What I mean by new is a hard drive that has never been formatted on an Amiga before.
No! You must NOT low level format.
Like said before this probably only render your hard drive unusable. In fact, most modern drives ignore the low level format command anyway (even SCSI drives!).
The physical layout of the hard disk is the same, regardless of the used hardware/OS. You do not need to and must not low level format.
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So I will not do a low-level format. Like I mentioned before, the SCSI drive had already been formatted, That is not the issue. What I need to know is this:
Is using HDToolbox the only way I can create partions on my drive? If so, where can I DL this software?
If there is another method for creating partions I need to know. The only way I can boot is with the 1.3 disk. When I do so the 1.3 disk icon is on the workbench but NOTHING ELSE. My HD isn't being recognized. When I type in command like '1> copy df0: to dh0: all clone' i get a bad argument response. Anytime i tell the system to do something to DH0 it says to insert that disk or gives me an output error. If i could make these 2 default partions everyone is mentioning, then I could copy the workbench disk over to my bootable partion, right? At that point I could re-boot and begin installing all my other soft right? :-?
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Okay, if you don't get a disk icon, it's not formated or partitioned for the Amiga.
One thing that you must remember is that 'DH0:' is a name that you might give the partition.
You can give you partitions whatever name you desire.
Also don't type the '1>' part! ;) it isn't part of the command.
You need to find HDToolBox, or another HDD partitioning utility(GVP have their own). and first create a partition.
Once you have a partition, you will see an icon for it - with a name that begins with the name you gave the partition.
Then you may format it, and after copy what you want to it.
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OK. I've tried using the GVP disk to make partitions. I tried to boot from my GVP disk but it only works sometimes?? Here is what I did to get the GVP disk to work: Boot on 1.3 disk, hit right Amiga and letter"E", hit return (created Ram Disk) copied WB disk onto Ram Disk, ejected WB disk, inserted GVP disk and opened faastPrep utility. I opened the formatting utility (faastprep) but when I chose SCSI and then 'automatic installation' i got an error message 'can't open gvpscsi.device. /EU& *something* in?, autoboot enabled?, binddrivers?' or something to that effect. Any suggestions? Should I be able to boot from the GVP disk and create partition w/o a prob? I also tried copying both the WB disk and GVP disk to ram disk then inserted WB disk again. Loaded GVP faastprep sof, and i see the interface load that is suppossed to help me partion, but then i get the screen that gives me the "automatic installation" option and the "manual installation" option. When I click on either one i still get the message:
'can't open gvpscsi.device.
*something* in?, autoboot enabled?, binddrivers?'
agh! I'm almost there! Why do i get this error message??
my A2000 is opened up so that I can give you a detailed account of my hardware/software.
•Amiga 2000 Rev 6.2 MBoard Copywrite 1988
•Trump Pro Card
•[Great Valley Products 50 MHZ ?accelorator? board (looks like 2 boards put together, text on both boards. One says A2000-030 Rev. 7 and the other A2000-RAM32 Rev. 3)
•HDD: Quantum ProDrive 210S
OK. Now you know what is in my system (besides a toaster card and 2 DPS TBC cards)
Now here is the software that I do have:
•Workbench 1.3 & extras disk
•GVP Impact Series II 030 Install Disk & Harddisk installation
•Trump Pro Configuaration Utilities Rev. Z.1C
So can I do what I want with the software/hardware I have? I can't belive this is so difficult :-(
Thanks so much everybody. I'd de so totally lost w/o you all!
:-D
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Boot on 1.3 disk, hit right Amiga and letter"E", hit return (created Ram Disk) copied WB disk onto Ram Disk, ejected WB disk,
I don't see what need there is to copy the WB disk tor RAM:
Don't do that.
I chose SCSI and then 'automatic installation' i got an error message 'can't open gvpscsi.device.
'gvpscsi.device' should be located in the ROM of your accelerator card.
Perhaps you have the wrong device number? or you are out of memory, since you have copied so much to the RAM: disk.
Should I be able to boot from the GVP disk and create partition w/o a prob?
From my memory - you should be able to boot from that disk with out a problem.
I also tried copying both the WB disk and GVP disk to ram disk then inserted WB disk again.
May I just ask why you feel the need to do that? What are you thinking?
Try booting from the GVP disk.
Don't copy things to RAM disk when there is no need.
Try some of the configuration display utils on the disk.
Do you have a manual for the card?
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I don't see what need there is to copy the WB disk tor RAM:
I have no idea really. Just trying everything I can. :-(
'gvpscsi.device' should be located in the ROM of your accelerator card.
Perhaps you have the wrong device number?
What do you mean wrong Device#? What does that mean? (Remember, I know nothing)
From my memory - you should be able to boot from that disk with out a problem. (GVP disk)
When I do a warm-boot (ctrl+right Amiga key) The disk begins to load, but then my mouse freezes and the drive light stays on w/o anything happening that i can tell, same behavior if I cold-boot (turn system off for 5 seconds and back on with GVP disk in drive)
"I also tried copying both the WB disk and GVP disk to ram disk then inserted WB disk again."
May I just ask why you feel the need to do that? What are you thinking?
Again, I have no idea. This is my very first attempt at doing anything with my A2000 besides turning it on and starting my toaster software. I have no other experience other than that :-(
Try booting from the GVP disk.
Don't copy things to RAM disk when there is no need.
Try some of the configuration display utils on the disk.
I seem to get the error message everytime i try to use faastprep (a tool on the GVP disk) other apps on that disk i have tried but to no avail. I thought it may be because the WB disk wasn't installed which is why i did all the ram disk stuff :-?
Do you have a manual for the card?
Wish i did. Literally, all i got with my amiga was the computer, keyboard, mouse and that is it. No manuals or software. All the soft I do have was copied by a friend for me recently. 8-)
Still up a creek....any more suggestions would be great!!
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please disregard this post as i was unable to delete a duplicate
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Did some searching for info on Trumpcard Pro, and all I could come up with was this...
"when booting from floppy disk, the hard disk is not mounted automatically in order to prevent virus infection - but pressing the left mouse button during startup forces the HD to be mounted"
Could this be part of the problem??? If the drive's formatted, but not mounted you're not gonna' see it.
Will keep looking for you. :-D
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ddogg66 wrote:
So I will not do a low-level format. Like I mentioned before, the SCSI drive had already been formatted, That is not the issue. What I need to know is this:
Do not low-level format
Is using HDToolbox the only way I can create partions on my drive? If so, where can I DL this software?
No HDToolbox isn't the only software to create partitions, software to partition the drive should of come with the harddrive controller card. Even if you download it how you going to get it onto the Amiga? Nothing else can format Amiga disks & no PC disk reading util comes with wb1.3
If there is another method for creating partions I need to know. The only way I can boot is with the 1.3 disk. When I do so the 1.3 disk icon is on the workbench but NOTHING ELSE. My HD isn't being recognized. When I type in command like '1> copy df0: to dh0: all clone' i get a bad argument response.
Not sure what going on but you need to find out if any partitions r on the drive....
Dunno if this worked the same under wb1.3 (I'm using 3.1 here) but try the command 'info' in a CLI/Shell & post the output here.
On my machine it produces this output:
15> info
Mounted disks:
Unit Size Used Free Full Errs Status Name
RAM: 17M 18294 0 100% 0 Read/Write Ram Disk
HD0: 152M 186054 125943 60% 0 Read/Write workbench
DF0: No disk present
HD1: 171M 108186 242211 31% 0 Read/Write BackUp
Volumes available:
Ram Disk [Mounted]
BackUp [Mounted]
workbench [Mounted]
15>
To format the main system partition I'd use:
Format DEVICE HD0: NAME Workbench FFS NOICONS
The 1.3 version of the format command might be different (I don't have it here...) so if you get an error get the command template and post here.
To get a template type ?
Format ? in this case.
The SCSI/CPU card I've never seen or used, but I would guess the software that came with the card would have partitioning s/w that can set a partition to be bootable. I've never used the install command to make a harddrive bootable (works on floppies) but then again I never had a harddrive on a machine with less than 3.0.
Hope I helped a little...
JohnN aka Amigadude
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:-D Thanks for caring Wain!
I did a cold-boot with the GVP card inserted. When AmigaDOS started i held down the left mouse button. The DOS screen said it was" restting to 68000 processor" or something. Then it re-booted and all the sudden i have not only the GVP disk mounted, but also a disk called "untitled" and a ram disk!! :-D Whee!! We are getting closer!! What should I do next? I'm going to try and run the faaast prep application again...ok, tried it but still get the same error message as listed before "can't open gvpSCSI.device..."
Should I try copying to untitled disk or formatting?
Thanks again!!
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IVS' drivers can be downloaded from here, they're in DMS format, and the site's in German but it should still work.
http://www.planetmulti.de/TreiberSektor/IVS/ivs.html
That is assuming you have an IVS card, for some reason I keep thinking you said somewhere the you have an IVS trumpcard controller, but I'm not seeing it anywhere in the previous messages. If I'm wrong just ignore me and I'll eventually shut up and go away
;-)
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here is what I have:
•Amiga 2000 Rev 6.2 MBoard Copywrite 1988
•Trump Card Pro
•[Great Valley Products 50 MHZ ?accelorator? board (looks like 2 boards put together, text on both boards. One says A2000-030 Rev. 7 and the other A2000-RAM32 Rev. 3)
•HDD: Quantum ProDrive 210S
is my trump card IVS? If so i can DL the drivers from the link, move the file to a floppy and install on amiga? When and how should this be done?
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IVS is the manufacturer of the Trumpcard and Trumcard professional SCSI controllers. I'm not sure if this is the same as what you are saying is "Trump Pro" or not, but I'm not seeing anything else with a name like that in the big book of amiga hardware.
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Trumcard professional
That is the card i have, no doubt :-)
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Okay, from what I've gathered (mind you it's been a LONG time since I've used an Amiga), it looks like you're having problems because you're trying to load the drivers for the GVP accelerator, which it can't find because you formatted your hard drive.
Hitting the left-mouse button during your bootup disabled the GVP accelerator and rebooted your system under the original 68000 CPU.
If your harddrive is coming up as 'Untitled' I can only assume that means that it's both mounted and formatted, and now just needs Workbench installed on it, and then your GVP software. I however have absolutely no memory of how to do this, you might want to check the earlier advice some people have given in this thread.
It sounds like the hard drive is prepared, it just needs to have workbench copied over to it, probably some kind of copy sys: command or something. After that, you're going to want to install the GVP software again.
mind you I could be really wrong.
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Thanks Amigadude!
Here is the info i get AFTER i did what wain said (i am on a mac so I can't copy and paste the info from the amiga :-( :
Unit: Size: Used: Free: Full: Errors: Status: Name:
RAM 2K 4 0 100% 0 Read/Write RamD
DF0 880K 1754 4 99% 0 Read Only GVP.in
DH0 203M 103 407526 0% 0 Read/Write Untitle
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Wain, I think you're on the right track! Thanks so much. I could kiss you!! :-o :-P I'll try to do the copy commands others noted in this thread and post my results afterwards:-D
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ddogg66 wrote:
Here is the info i get AFTER i did what wain said (i am on a mac so I can't copy and paste the info from the amiga :-( :
I'm not posting from my miggy but it's on the network :) so I can telnet into it and run commands and paste the output on this PC. The Amiga is my webserver BTW My webserver toy :) (http://johnn.is-a-geek.net)
Unit: Size: Used: Free: Full: Errors: Status: Name:
RAM 2K 4 0 100% 0 Read/Write RamD
DF0 880K 1754 4 99% 0 Read Only GVP.in
DH0 203M 103 407526 0% 0 Read/Write Untitle
Looks like 'DH0:' is the entry you needed for formatting.
But as you've already formatted try:
copy df0:#? dh0: all clone
When you have the wb1.3 disk in drive :)
What happens if you reset with no floppy disk in?
If you just reformatted and didn't mess with the partitions it should still boot. But because you formatted the drive it should just come up with a shell prompt.
If you wanna speed this up & you can use IRC jump on #amihelp channel on de1.arcnet.vapor.com.
I'm sitting there with the nick JohnN
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Ok, once you have the HD formatted, you need to boot from the WB floppy disk, open it and go into the shell.
Then say:
copy sys: dh0: all clone
"output directory not found" is the message I get. I titled my previously untitled disk "workbench" and have replaced all occurences of "DH0" to "workbench" .
Here is where I am: I have the system booted from the 1.3 WB disk and have my HD now mounted (named "workbench") and a ram disk mounted (3 disks mounted)
So, what do I do now? I'm tempted to drop the WB disk in my "workbench" disk. Will this work or MUST I use the CLI window? If I must use the CLI window, I've tried all the previously mentioned command lines but none seem to do the job.
Let's start over. I have 3 mounted disks and no bootable partition ( i only have one partition it seems) So where to now? How to copy the full WB disk to HD?
Thanks again all!! 8-)
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But as you've already formatted try:
copy df0:#? dh0: all clone
When you have the wb1.3 disk in drive :)
Tryed typing this exactly as you did--bad argument
then typed copy df0:#? workbench: all clone--bad argument
My drive is named "workbench". Should I use that name with these CLI commands or DH0?
What happens if you reset with no floppy disk in?
If you just reformatted and didn't mess with the partitions it should still boot. But because you formatted the drive it should just come up with a shell prompt.
This is exactly what happens. It boots with a shell prompt (ie 1>)
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copy df0:#? Workbench: all clone
will copy the contents of the floppy to the harddrive
about not bootable...
try:
install workbench:
or one of these disks
•GVP Impact Series II 030 Install Disk & Harddisk installation
•Trump Pro Configuaration Utilities Rev. Z.1C
I would think includes partitioning s/w that can set the partition as bootable.
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about not bootable...
try:
install workbench:
You do *NOT* install hard drives. The Amiga *CAN* use bootblocks on hard drives, but those are never ever used and the bootblock is not needed in order to boot from the partition.
To make a hard drive partition bootable, you set it to be bootable in a partition editing tool.
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Steady wrote:
Yes you do!
Without the install command, the boot block of the Workbench partition will not be able to boot. This code is REQUIRED on any bootable partition, be that floppy disk, hard disk or otherwise.
The only thing that may be a prob there, is optimising the startup-sequence for harddrive use. I think C= put a hard drive startup-sequence for use, but since I can't remember the details, I cannot advise further on this.
It is amazing how being at work can make your responses overly formal. :-o
Please don't feed misinformation to those who need help, if you don't know what you're talking about.
1) installing hard drive partitions isn't necessary, the bootable bit in the RDB is for that
2) you don't need to do anything to the startup-sequence, if the hd controller is autobooting (which it is in this case)
I'm at home, so I can be as informal as I like.
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What I want to know is why are so many people coming up with this 'install' crap for HDD's anyway? Which AmigaDOS manual makes that suggestion?
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ddogg66 wrote:
"output directory not found" is the message I get. I titled my previously untitled disk "workbench" and have replaced all occurences of "DH0" to "workbench" .
Here is where I am: I have the system booted from the 1.3 WB disk and have my HD now mounted (named "workbench") and a ram disk mounted (3 disks mounted)
So, what do I do now? I'm tempted to drop the WB disk in my "workbench" disk. Will this work or MUST I use the CLI window? If I must use the CLI window, I've tried all the previously mentioned command lines but none seem to do the job.
Let's start over. I have 3 mounted disks and no bootable partition ( i only have one partition it seems) So where to now? How to copy the full WB disk to HD?
Thanks again all!! 8-)
Ok, try
copy sys: dh0: all
If you drop the wb disk icon on your hd disk icon, it won't work. The default tool for disks is sys:system/diskcopy, which makes track for track copies -> won't succeed, because your hard drive's geometry is very different to the floppy's geometry.
The Shell is the only way for an out of the box 1.3, I'm afraid.
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@Jope:
Actually, I do know what I am talking about. It has just been a while (read many years) since I have used 1.3 in any serious way.
I stand corrected on the Install command, however. I was incorrect about this. I got home and confirmed that it is not intended for hard drives.
The copy commands, however, should generally work fine, however.
I was posting to help this new user out and do not intend to spread 'misinformation' at any time.
Occassionally any of us can make small errors, and
I am more than happy to be politely corrected at any time.
I know C= did have a hard-drive startup-sequence script on the Workbench 1.3 disk I had long ago, but you are right in that it is certainly not vital. It can add to some confusion for a new user.
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@all
OS 1.3 SS-HD
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; Startup sequence for Hard Disk users...checks for hard disk, then
; transfers control if it is present. (The script assumes DH0:)
; TO USE: copy your normal startup-sequence files (Startup-Sequence,
; and StartupII to the S: directory of your hard disk.
; Then rename your normal Startup-Sequence file
; as Startup-Sequence.f in the S: directory of the floppy, just in case.
; Now replace the Startup-Sequence file on the floppy with this file.
;
setpatch
SYS:System/FastMemFirst
binddrivers
assign >NIL: DH0: exists
IF NOT WARN
; hard disk is present
assign sys: dh0:
assign c: SYS:c
assign L: SYS:l
assign FONTS: SYS:fonts
assign S: SYS:s
assign DEVS: SYS:devs
assign LIBS: SYS:libs
makedir ram:tr
assign t: ram:tr
execute s:Startup-Sequence
ELSE
; no hard disk
execute s:Startup-Sequence.f
ENDIF
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Hope this help.
Ciao
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The formatting go ok?
You had any luck copying the OS across?
JohnN
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I held both mouse button at boot and drives listed were: df0 and dh0 so my HDD must be dh0, right?
Isn't the early startup menu only present in 2.0+ ?
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The formatting go ok?
You had any luck copying the OS across?
JohnN
Well, JohnN has been dedicating a lot of his time to me over IRC and has been overly helpful. He has spent *hours* helping me with my machine-a true Amiga saint! I would be so lost without him and IRC. the posting method is very slow compared to the chat.
Anyway I have done so many things to my system over the last 2 days it would be impossible to document it all here. In a nutshell, I was able to get the HD to mount by loading the trumcard floppy and booting while holding down the left mouse key (as wain so kindly pointed out). I then used the Trumpcard s/w to format and partition my drive. After i copied WB 1.2 over to dh0: and rebooted on the HD, I then installed my toaster 2.0 s/w w/o a hitch...
except..
now when i boot from HD, after installing toaster soft, i get this message:
setpatch:Unknown command
setpatch failed return code 10
1>
All i want to do is get my workbench up so I can start the toaster soft. What must i do? All the files are in order and dh0: is mounted.
thanks all! :-D
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whoops! look above for my message.
Druideck
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Do you have 1.3 disks? i would install that or
copy setpatch from C drawer of 1.3 over to
C drawer of your DH0: and try again! :)
It sounds like the setpatch file is missing.
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ddogg66 wrote:
now when i boot from HD, after installing toaster soft, i get this message:
setpatch:Unknown command
setpatch failed return code 10
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after you get the above message insert the workbench floppy disk & type:
copy df0:c/setpatch c:
As a side note once this is setup it might be an idea to create a directory on dh1: called backupsys and do:
copy dh0: dh1:backupsys all
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@DoomMaster
I don't hang around AO too much any more, and your post could explain it for a few people....
The A2091 is the best SCSI Controller card that you can get for an Amiga 2000.
What crap. I have at least four controllers for A2000s that'd beat the crap out of any of my 2091s.
Even with the latest firmware and a WD -08 SCSI inteface chip, the 2091 is dog slow and extremely unreliable.
Please post about something you know.
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type:
copy df0:c/setpatch c:
This is the response i get
can't open copy df0:c/setpatch c: for input object not found
...and another thing.
If I hold down the left mouse key and boot off the WB1.2 floppy my HD partitions will mount.
If i don't hold down the left mouse button my HD will not mount.
If i boot with no floppy then i get the setpatch error on boot??
I don't get it. if setpatch is a file missing from the WB1.2 disk, then why can't my miggy find that file when i try to copy from df0: to dh0: ? I can't find a file named "setpatch" anywhere in my WB1.2 floppy dir. what is it? and where is it?
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to my best knowledge, setpatch patches some things in the OS which might not be in ROM (last minute fixes?), you could maybe survive without setpatch but it's definitely a good thing to have. Setpatch resides in the C drawer of the Workbench disk. The C drawer holds almost all commands which is used by AmigaDOS such as copy, dir (I think) and so on.
You could always boot up your Workbench disk, go into the C directory and see if you can see the file when you type dir. This is simply done by typing:
cd df0:c/
dir
If you see the file you should be able to copy it to your hd with the copy command
copy df0:c/setpatch dh0:c/setpatch
I hope this helps
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It's been a long time since I used WB1.2 or 1.3 and I don't remember if these came with or required the SetPatch command or not.
It's sounds like Setpatch isn't anywhere on your Workbench disks, so perhaps your setup will run fine without it.
What you need to do is to stop the computer trying to run it at startup. To do this you need to use a text editor of some sort (try "Ed" in the "C" directory) and edit your startup-sequence. This file can be found in the S directory of your Hard drive (DH0: or Workbench: or whatever you've called it).
Near or at the top of this file should be a line that looks something like:
C:Setpatch
If you put a semicolon ";" in front of this then AmigaDOS will not try and run this line. It should now look like this:
;C:Setpatch
Save the file and try booting again from HD.
It's possible that the Setpatch command not being present might cause problems further down the line, like I said it's been a while since I used WB1.3.
But hopefully this will help you out.