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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: AllocVec on October 21, 2008, 06:48:37 PM
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One of my A3000Ds has to go. It is in very good optical and technical condition. The battery was removed.
SCSI
Scandoubler/Flickerfixer
Chinon FB357A HD-Floppy
I do ask EUR 300,- plus shipping.
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So it's just the basic 3000D and no expansion cards ?
What about fastram ?
Hard Disk ?
16Mhz or 25Mhz 68030 ?
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Im not dissing the poster trying to sell their equipment but is an unexpanded A3000D really worth 550$ us dollars?
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@hamtronix
it seems a bit steep to me too, but keep in mind they are a lot cheaper/(easier to find) in US, for some reason..
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Amiga 3000's were popular here as the machine was really nice, powerfull,and had VGA. In Europe Scart TV's got you cheap RGB.
No such luck in he sates...
In the usa it was an expensive Amiga montior or an A3000 or A2000 with a flicker fixer to use anything but the 1804 montiors. VGA monitors were much more common than SCART.
The fickering hires interlace screen on any Amiga floor model besides the A3000 was responsible for lack of sales when compared to the Mac or PC. Explaining why the Amiga screen flickered didn't help.
Folks would rather have a rock soild VGA screen and get a TV output card later on, if they did video...The logic back then was, who wants to hookup a PC to TV anywway...
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I used my A1000 on a TV using the modulator port, only because I had to.
I found a dealer selling 1084's refurbished for $189 in the USA and I jumped on it. I wanted a VGA option back then only the A3000, or A2000 with the flicker Fixer or ICD flicker free video card for the A500 were options.
I instead got the A1300 genlock. With full motion video as a backround on the WB the flcker diminished some. I used to feed my cable box to the vcr then feed the amiga genlock.
Great when I wanted to title videos.
If you were doing serious productivity stuff you longed for VGA. At school every mac, every Pc used a VGA or MAC RGB (multiscan) monitor.
Most Amiga users I knew had a 1084 montior.
In one retail display I saw 2 kids playing with an A4000 in deluxe paint. They really liked it (as the PC and mac didn't have an animation application on display) but they kept asking "Damn...but what's with that flicker?".
This was the reaction from most folks regarding Amiga hires screens. PC and MACs had no such quirks. In educational cirlces the uninformed actually refered to the Amiga as "outdated" due to it being tied so heavily to the NTSC video system instead of using higher quality signals such as VGA. I often think this was partly Apples great educational Marketing working their magic reality distortion tricks on non technical art educators of the time...
Yet it's ironic to note that my school paid good money for VIDEO digitizer boards for the Mac that ONLY worked in black and white. A totally OUTDATED experience, Unreal...
The boards were outdated when they got em, and one dude in a lab told me that he did assignments in color on his A500 with a Digiview. The instructor MADE him re-do it on a MAC, in black and white.
Definatley not fun being an Amiga user back then in Art Educational circles in NYC...lol.
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@Lorraine
Was using a TV for any computer just the "not done" thing, even though it was much cheaper and easier solution?
By 1988-89 Mac/PC users were used to seeing a steady 640*480 VGA display as the next gen. Though the Amiga had more power and greater color resolution than the typical CGA or VGA at that time, the flicker really put many people off. Casual business users and some gamers were never going to go for a flickery display over a steady 16 color (or grey scale) VGA. Here in the states, it was concidered old school C64 or first gen nintento game console to have such a display. Cool was VGA even with it's 16 colors and beep, beep audio. Why Commodore dropped the flicker fixer for the A4000 has confounded me for years. Sales might have doubled if it could take a VGA monitor like a 3000.
Plaz
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alanh wrote:
So it's just the basic 3000D and no expansion cards ?
What about fastram ?
Hard Disk ?
16Mhz or 25Mhz 68030 ?
Yes it is the basic A3000D (which has SCSI and flickerfixer built in).
It is the 25 MHz Version and it has a HDD built in.
I can include a Simmfonie-adapter if you wish to (which lets you put in 16 MB RAm for nearly nothing).
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If it's just the basic A3000D then it's too expensive for me at 300 euros.
Not to worry.
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alanh wrote:
If it's just the basic A3000D then it's too expensive for me at 300 euros.
Not to worry.
No problem. But even the SIMMfonie-adapter may have a worth of EUR 75-100,-
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Are you saying without the SIMMfonie it's 200-225 ??
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AllocVec wrote:
No problem. But even the SIMMfonie-adapter may have a worth of EUR 75-100,-
Hardly, DJBase sells a very good Zip to Simm adaptor and it doesnt cost anywhere near 75 Euro..in fact not even half that amount!
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jimbo100 wrote:
AllocVec wrote:
No problem. But even the SIMMfonie-adapter may have a worth of EUR 75-100,-
Hardly, DJBase sells a very good Zip to Simm adaptor and it doesnt cost anywhere near 75 Euro..in fact not even half that amount!
Yup, got mine for about 30 euros!
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However, I think I put it on ebay in the next days.
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I put it on ebay now: A3000D in mint condition (http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=150309663737&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=005)
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Your listing makes no sense. You have copied the BBOAH entry for A3000's into your listing. It doesn't state what is in YOUR A3000. It can't several revisions of the SuperBuster, it can't be the 16MHz and the 25Mz version etc..... You need to change it to represent YOUR A3000. Real Amiga fans will not want to bid without correct details.
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tonyyeb wrote:
Your listing makes no sense. You have copied the BBOAH entry for A3000's into your listing. It doesn't state what is in YOUR A3000. It can't several revisions of the SuperBuster, it can't be the 16MHz and the 25Mz version etc..... You need to change it to represent YOUR A3000. Real Amiga fans will not want to bid without correct details.
It is all in there. On top you see the specs of my system. Here it is again:
alles funktioniert natuerlich einwandfrei. Der Akku wurde ausgebaut, damit er keinen Schaden anrichten kann.
SCSI onBoard
eingebauter Flickerfixer
eingebautes Boot-EProm zur Auswahl der Kickstart-Version beim booten
Motorola 68030 mit 25 MHz
Motorola 68882 FPU mit 25 MHz
eingebautes HD-Diskettenlaufwerk (FB-357-A), damit lassen sich alle PC-formatierten Disketten lesen und so ganz einfach Daten uebertragen. Allein das Laufwerk ist schon EUR 50,- und mehr wert.
optischer Bestzustand (siehe Foto)
technischer Bestzustand
It is in german, but I can translate it if you need to.
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I'll vouch for his german listing - it's complete and acurate.
Basically a 25Hmz standard A3000D model.
Honest description.
Tom UK
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"it's complete and acurate"
Not really... How much Chip-RAM and Fast-RAM
is installed? Buster version? Keyboard included? :-?
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Nostalgiac wrote:
I'll vouch for his german listing - it's complete and acurate.
Which is all well and good but why bother putting anything in English then? I'm not having a go, I'm trying to tell the guy that if he added a better English description it may attract more bidders. Which is surely in his interests!!!
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AmiDude wrote:
"it's complete and acurate"
Not really... How much Chip-RAM and Fast-RAM
is installed? Buster version? Keyboard included? :-?
It is the original Super Buster 07 (the whole system was kept oiginal by me, no hacks or modifications).
The RAm depends whether you want the Simmfonie or not.
A keyboard is included if I can find it. I operate my amigas via a KVM-switch, so I do need only one keyboard. I think I have stored some keyboards away, so if I can find them, I will include a keyboard (which is nearly unused).