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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: gaula92 on October 08, 2008, 05:55:14 PM
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Since the Amiga OS 4.0 - Moana fiasco (you win, f**ng wimps who didn't want it to spread: Amiga OS 4 won't show anything readable in my mini, just boots and shows currupt screen even with the fixed "safe" radeon driver), I am seriously thinking on selling this machine.
It's actually a pretty useless computer, since it doesn't have an AMIGA-like OS I like: Mac OSX CRAWS in this one, it's sticky and awfull, and mantaining Gentoo up-to-date is more than I can afford. Amiga OS 4.0 will never happen (SAM440..yes...you can wait until I'll invest in PowerPC hardware again, heh), and it's likely that Morphos will never be released for the PPC Mini by now (it was shown more than a year ago, and no Morphos for Mini has been released in any tagible form, so I suspect it's another Moana case).
So, what's your advice, guys? What should I do with this dust collector? A shame as it seems, it won't take me back to the Amiga dream. Are those things worth any money?
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You will probably never see Amiga OS 4.x on it, but it has been announced that MorphOS will be available for the Mac Mini. Maybe you want to keep it for that.
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Hold out for MorphOS.
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Throw very hard my way, then I will take good care of it :-).
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@gaula92
Yeh, Iv'e got one of those, I had the same problem..
I ripped it open and put 1Gb ram in it, it improved it
a great deal, but still not prefect tho.
My Amiga still feels 100 times faster ;-)
Wol..
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So, what's your advice, guys? What should I do with this dust collector? A shame as it seems, it won't take me back to the Amiga dream. Are those things worth any money?
Keep it. Once MOS is released for it, the price for a G4 Mac Mini with rise, and you will regret it in the end. Mind you they still fetch a pretty good price in Craigslist and so forth.
I could not wait any longer for MOS (and I needed some extra cash) so I sold my G4 for $420 CAD, considering I purchased it used 2 years ago for $500 that tells you that there is still a demand for them.
Also, if you have a faster 2.5" hard drive than the one in there (most likely a 4200RPM drive) it will increase performance quite a bit. I threw in a 160gig 7200 drive in mine and was a great machine, did not find it bog slow at all running Leopard.
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For starters: put some fscking RAM in it! With 1GB my Mac Mini runs just fine with Leopard! You've probably got the stock 256MB, right?
EDIT: as nine3o said: add a faster hard drive. I did the 7200 RPM hookup as well. Of course if you have cash there's always SSD...
For afterwards: stick with it for MorphOS. It must be really sweet on the Mini (from what I've seen and read)! And you surely ain't going to find another such small and nice device to run MorphOS other than the Mac Mini.
For last: throw it my way if you're gonna throw it, as the previous poster said. It'll take real good care of it! :-) And one more hint: make a "carputer" out of it. It can easily fit in a car and provide all the entertainment you'd want OR setup FrontRow on it and use it in your living room. It's an awesome media box!
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I'd be glad to relieve you of this burden... ;-)
Actually I've just resurrected an old PowerMac 9500 (nearly as old as the last A4000Ts) I got for close to free with an absolutely fantastic Sonnet Crescendo G4 1 GHz ($99). Also having expanded the RAM to 248 MB, OS X (10.2) runs pretty well on this ancient machine. Could use a bit more RAM, but for my fooling with OS X and BSD it's quite enough (the Mach32 graphics sucks though).
A Mac Mini should run pretty nicely - if low on RAM, just throw it some more, it's nearly free nowadays.
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I did, guys; I added more ram to this little box: it has 1GB actually, but MAC OS 10.4 still feels slow as hell (compared to my Amiga 1200 or a well-optimized Gentoo Linux, wich has about the same speed feeling: click and open, click and use..I ONLY use really responsible oses, and 10.X isn't remotely as responsive as Amiga or Gentoo).
I thought MOS wasn't gonna be reeased for the mini, at least in version 2.x... I think it was announce A LOT time ago, and knowing other cases like this in the Amiga/Amigalike past...hmm...I want to believe, but...
Oh, if this thing could boot MAc os 9.x natively...but it sadly can't, and that leaves out A LOT of Amiga-like fun, too...
Well, let's wait and see, but...
Oh, and thanks for your opinions!
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i'd keep it, ( or as others have suggested, post it to them :-D ) but don't throw it away...
hmmm, i wonder if ebay have any on at the moment....
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Don't know what you're doing wrong then because Leopard runs just fine on my 1.25GHz 1GB RAM MacMini. Sure it's definitely not as responsive as my Miggy, but it's not much slower than most Windoze boxes I've used (in terms of responsiveness).
Maybe stick a faster hard disk in it?
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Yes, well, it IS more responsible than Windoze boxes, but then again Windoze is the most unresponsible thing on earth and I just CAN'T stand it.
Anyway, is Leopard faster than Tiger? (Yes, in nature I KNOW it is...I mean in a MAC Mini! :D) More responsive? Just for curiosity: I am not gonna buy it, if MOS is ever coming out, that's what my mac will have.
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You should really save it for MOS. It is something that is actually going to happen.
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gaula92 wrote:
Anyway, is Leopard faster than Tiger? (Yes, in nature I KNOW it is...I mean in a MAC Mini! :D) More responsive? Just for curiosity: I am not gonna buy it, if MOS is ever coming out, that's what my mac will have.
I don't have a Mac Mini, but my Mac is of similar spec, it's an G4 1.25ghz,(Single CPU), Quicksilver MDD, (2003), with 1gb of RAM.
Leopard on here runs much better than Tiger did.
In fact I use this system all the time, I prefer it over my P4 2.93ghz PC with 1.5gb RAM running XP, and the speed between the two is not that different.
The PC is slightly faster, but the Mac is much smoother in use, if that makes any sense!!!
:-D
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1) There are millions of these thing out there, the available of both Mos and OS4 won't change the price of them 5 cents.
2( Leopard is, in most cases faster than Tiger.
3) Gentoo PPC exists.
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persia wrote:
1) There are millions of these thing out there, the available of both Mos and OS4 won't change the price of them 5 cents.
Millions? :crazy:
As for the price, I think it would change the resale value. Mac users certainly don't want them.
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I'll take your Mini Mac!! All I have is a little Quadra 650, PowerMac G3 Beige MiniTower and my Apple IIGS.
I'll take anyones free stuff..
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Well, i can understand a bit to this user, i have a mac mini g4 too, its a good machine i think, but osx for me is not the magical experience of OS that some people talk about, osx come with a good looking desktop but is too easy or hard using the unix-like-terminal... i dont feel the amiga style with this OS, no scene or a good amiga like community, just a "think different" slogan a little bit elitist, maybe im wrong but is my opinion.
Im waiting for morphos in the macmini ppc is the hope to this machine.
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@kickstart
The Amiga was always about being elitist. Back in the day the Amiga could run circles around the competition, we Amiga owners knew that and never hesitated to tell others about it... Now it's elitist in the sense that we can plunk down hundreds of Euros on 20 year old technology!
As for OS X, it's Unix certified, the terminal is a Bash shell, I would have killed for a Bash shell on the Amiga. there are amazing and wonderful things you can do in it. Learn it and you will never want for another command line interface.
You can't really comapre the Amiga GUI with the Leopard GUI, there's several generations of computer technology between them. In the '80s memory was quite dear, so if a feature could be done without it was. Now we have cheap memory and lots of it. The OS can bloom into it's full potential. So essentially you are comparing The Flyer (The Wright Brother's plane) with an A380.
And the Mac crowd are even more a club than the Amiga folks were. Remember you are comparing a community around a computer who's manufacturer died 13 years ago and a community around a computer that's at it zenith.
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gaula92
Keep your Mac Mini, you never know what might happen! I'm keeping mine.
If you really do want to sell it check out the current bids on ebay. There are usually a lot of G4 Mac Mini's for sale.
TrevorD
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you are comparing The Flyer (The Wright Brother's plane) with an A380.
Come on, do the Amiga a bit more justice. The Flyer's already reserved to the PET, make that at least a P-51 - or better a Me 262 - the begin of a new era! :lol:
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Zac67 wrote:
you are comparing The Flyer (The Wright Brother's plane) with an A380.
Come on, do the Amiga a bit more justice. The Flyer's already reserved to the PET, make that at least a P-51 - or better a Me 262 - the begin of a new era! :lol:
I believe you mean the Gloster Meteor, Sir! ;-) :lol:
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@adolescent
Millions? :crazy:
Yeah. Although, Apple sold (very roughly) 2.7 million desktops during the PowerPC Mini's tenure (Januuary 2005 - February 2006). If we assume less than 33% of those desktops were Minis, that puts the number somewhere at or below 900,000. That's still a respectable number of machines; however, their small size probably found quite a few of them destined for a landfill, especially in the US, where we don't care too much about that sort of thing.
The powers that be really need to decide whether the "Amiga" should be a software solution or a hardware solution. In today's market, it certainly can't afford to be both.
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Leopard should run just fine on that G4, especially if you upped the memory. I won't run a Mac with less than a GB of ram anymore.
Perhaps, most likely, your installation of OS4 significantly corrupted the Mac installation. Have you checked the HD with the utilities?
I'd start with a format of the hard drive and a clean install of the Mac OS before I declared the machine lost.
Bob
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@persia
Sorry im not comparing the old amiga with present macs im just talking about my opinion of osx and this "community", osx is a good OS but (for me)need something that i cant explain not just photoshop and rest of professional suites.
And talking about elitism... in the times of amiga the amiga community maybe was elitist but with some reasons, now at this times a computer mounting same componets equals to acers, hp, dell... with a good loking enclosure its not the same.
Please dont take this offensive or something.
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sell it :-P
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(you win, f**ng wimps who didn't want it to spread: Amiga OS 4 won't show anything readable in my mini, just boots and shows currupt screen even with the fixed "safe" radeon driver),
I dont think its that they got it working, nobody did.
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gaula92 wrote:
Since the Amiga OS 4.0 - Moana fiasco (you win, f**ng wimps who didn't want it to spread: Amiga OS 4 won't show anything readable in my mini, just boots and shows currupt screen even with the fixed "safe" radeon driver), I am seriously thinking on selling this machine.
Moana is not a fiasco...
There is only an alpha-pre-release version spreading in Peer2Peer and Torrent sites, and it works only on certian MacMini models with specific Firmware and specific Graphic Card...
And perhaps it is a PIRATED version of Moana...
So do not blame Moana manufacturers because you used pirated software and it did not work...
:oops:
:-P
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Sell it to me, my daughter's mac died and Apple want $700+ to fix it!!! They MUST be smoking that crack.
Send me a message and let me take it off your hands so she can get off my back.
BTW. She's 12 and just laughs at all my Amigas so giving her one of my Amigas won't happen. She uses Fedora now, but needs to do imovie and finalcut pro.
So, for selfish reasons, ditch the mac and sell it to me.
-Alex
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Just a technical comparison between 10.4 and 10.5 (tiger and Leo) by a technician.
Tiger is the faster OS that apple produced its the best MacOSX for low powered Macs.
faster than 10 10.1 10.2 10.3 by far
till 10.4 every updated version of apple is faster than previous.
10.5 is another story thought..
most of its user interface is heavily depended on the graphic card GPU instead of CPU than 10.4 prefers.. 10.4 also uses GPU but not for the whole interface.
that gives an advantage for Leo on modern machines say DUAL G5 and up.
Because its frees up the cpu to compute other things..
but generaly in older machines G4 with not some extreme card fitted in it Tiger feels way faster.
Example: on my G4 that is a Dual G4 OC at 1.5 with 2mb L3 cache per prossesor with an X850XT 256mb GFX and 2x Stripe raid (1 on internal ata 100 and one on external raid case Firewire800) leo and tiger are about even.
leo is faster in some things and tiger is faster on some others, but as you see that is not a "common" mirror drive g4.
If you feel that 10.4 is slow then I suggest you to format the drive and do a clean installation of tiger without geeky add ons and the mini will realy fly that way.
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Well, I've decided to keep it: thanks, thanks!
If Morphos is EVER going to be released for this machine, my money will be there, for sure.
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What I meant was that the company that produced the Amiga is dead, the company that produced the Mac is alive and doing very well. Hence the focus of users groups/communities around the two machines would be different. Also there are millions of Mac users and only a few hundred Amiga users. You could get to know the entire Amiga community personally.
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