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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Desktop Audio and Video => Topic started by: Oliver on October 06, 2008, 04:49:21 PM

Title: C=64 Pro64/MSSIAH
Post by: Oliver on October 06, 2008, 04:49:21 PM
Not quite Amiga, but...

MSSIAH should be out reasonably soon now. Anyone ordered?

I still can't decide whether to buy or not. I think it is really cool, wringing that use out of the C=64 with some clever engineering, and the sounds can be pretty decent with the right mods. I also think the price is reasonable, for the work effort and likely returns it will yield. Still the money could probably go a bit further into some other music gear.

As a side note, I remember some time ago when members here were buying Pro64's; so who has some music to share? What have your experiences been like, composing on the C=64? Do you think a functioning MIDI interface will be a big improvement?

Oli
Title: Re: C=64 Pro64/MSSIAH
Post by: impactor on October 06, 2008, 05:02:05 PM
@ Oliver

Thanks for the info.  I was not aware of the MSSIAH, but it looks good.

http://www.retrothing.com/2007/12/mssiah-commodor.html

This makes getting a prophet64 even more attractive, as currently I am using the QuaddraSID VST for my SID tunes, but ideally I want to use a real C64.

Title: Re: C=64 Pro64/MSSIAH
Post by: spihunter on October 06, 2008, 05:20:34 PM
I'm on the pre-order list! I'm looking forward to getting it. I have the orginal Prophet64 cartridge but it wasnt a lot of use to me without MIDI function.

Its for sale if anyone is interested?
Title: Re: C=64 Pro64/MSSIAH
Post by: Oliver on October 06, 2008, 05:25:04 PM
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impactor wrote:...I was not aware of the MSSIAH...


Hi impactor,

Sorry, I should have included a link (http://www.8bitventures.com/). I haven't been on A.org much recently, but I thought a few people here were monitoring this one already.

The MSSIAH can be used with a twin sid setup, and will have MIDI interface standard (i think?).

There are quite a number of people doing mods now. I like this page (http://bigmech.com/misc/c64mods/index.html) for an expo. People add mini playstation LCD screens as well.

I think it also shouldn't be too difficult to hack together an extension of the MIDI interface to control the custom mods.

I have an MB-6582 in the making, so am pretty well covered for SID sounds as well. I still like the Pro64/MSSIAH concept. I generally like raw electronic sounds, so it has some appeal on that front. Still, the money could definitely be used elsewhere.

Oli

-edit: OK, at least some people here were monitoring it. The pre-sales have closed, but I expect there will still be some available. There have also been previous threads on this topic, from around the time MSSIAH was anounced.
Title: Re: C=64 Pro64/MSSIAH
Post by: TheGoose on October 06, 2008, 05:41:05 PM
@spihunter

Yeah, MIDI IN with this one - seems to be crucial to make it play nice with others. A couple things ? They don't give any examples (mp3) downloads or I could not find it.

I wonder if it comes with some demo tunes?

How did yours sound?
Title: Re: C=64 Pro64/MSSIAH
Post by: motorollin on October 06, 2008, 06:16:54 PM
I've got a Prophet64 already, but don't use it much as I find it a bit awkward to use. I was thinking of getting a MSSIAH as it would mean I could use a keyboard with it, or sync it to my Mac, but to be honest, I find it easier just to use a synth in Reason. And you can get some nice SID-like sounds using the Subtractor.

I still think the Prophet64 and MSSIAH are extremely cool. They're just not something I would use very often since for me, the integrated nature of Reason makes everything so easy. I can't take a C64 on a train if I want to work on a track!

Having said all that, a MSSIAH would probably make a cool toy. So I might still get one. I'm confused! :crazy: :lol:

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moto
Title: Re: C=64 Pro64/MSSIAH
Post by: Colani1200 on October 06, 2008, 06:28:48 PM
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Having said all that, a MSSIAH would probably make a cool toy. So I might still get one. I'm confused! :crazy: :lol:

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moto


The solution is easy: Sell the Prophet64 and get 1 or 2 MSSIAH in return. Just look at this. (http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180262046154&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:DE:1123)  :-o  :lol:

Quite a good investment I'd say...

EDIT:  Another one (http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170237429888&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:DE:1123).
Title: Re: C=64 Pro64/MSSIAH
Post by: motorollin on October 06, 2008, 06:49:14 PM
OMG!!!! eBayed!!!

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moto
Title: Re: C=64 Pro64/MSSIAH
Post by: Oliver on October 06, 2008, 06:51:53 PM
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I'm confused! :crazy: :lol:


Hey! I was confused first!

On a not very related note, I was looking up a few details on the energyXT sequencer which I own and potentially use, when i found someone using an Atari algorithmic composer called Tunesmith on an emulator, with MIDI loopback to soft synths. Does anyone know this prog? Early version was on C=64. I might have a play with it some time. I've always been curious about this sort of thing. Apparently Jan Hammer used to use it a bit (I'm not a fan, btw).
Title: Re: C=64 Pro64/MSSIAH
Post by: McVenco on October 06, 2008, 06:59:05 PM
Holy sh*t! And bearing in mind that I only payed 32 euros for the P64 when they were still made. This surely makes me want to sell - it will more than fund for a MSSIAH :lol:

If you want to see more mods that people have done, check the official Prophet64 forum, there are people who have done quite some wicked stuff with their C64s.

Forum: http://www.prophet64-forum.com/

Examples:

(http://i16.tinypic.com/4ytc9z6.jpg)
(http://i26.tinypic.com/a57rsh.jpg)
Title: Re: C=64 Pro64/MSSIAH
Post by: Colani1200 on October 06, 2008, 07:09:35 PM
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McVenco wrote:
Holy sh*t! And bearing in mind that I only payed 32 euros for the P64 when they were still made.


Yeah, I was a bit late. But I think I will get a MSSIAH as soon as it's available. MIDI will definitely make it a nice and usable SID synth.
Title: Re: C=64 Pro64/MSSIAH
Post by: spihunter on October 06, 2008, 10:54:22 PM



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The solution is easy: Sell the Prophet64 and get 1 or 2 MSSIAH in return. Just look at this.  Quite a good investment I'd say...




Jeez,

and I was about to mine up as a $35 "Buy it now" :-o

I guess their going for high cause you cant buy one anymore.
Title: Re: C=64 Pro64/MSSIAH
Post by: klx300r on November 25, 2008, 11:00:53 PM
just got an email confirmation from 8bit that my MSSIAH cart has been shipped out..finally :-D
anyone get theirs yet..if so what are your first impressions :-?
Title: Re: C=64 Pro64/MSSIAH
Post by: spihunter on November 26, 2008, 01:59:15 AM
@klx300r,

Yea, i got my conformation as well. They a only went on sale a few days ago so I dont think anyone has one yet. Maybe someone in Europe...
Title: Re: C=64 Pro64/MSSIAH
Post by: McVenco on November 26, 2008, 10:31:55 AM
Mine should be on it's way as well. I ordered two SID2SID boards to go with it as well so I can practice my soldering skills some more :-)

I guess it's time to dust off my C64s again and set them up for when the MSSIAH arrives (can't wait!). Also time to finally get started on doing that pot-mod (as in potentiometer, not that green stuff that messes with your head) since I sold my paddles a while ago (which were pretty awkward to use with tth Prophet64 anyway).
Title: Re: C=64 Pro64/MSSIAH
Post by: Seaquest on November 26, 2008, 11:25:33 AM


Nice, me want :-)
Title: Re: C=64 Pro64/MSSIAH
Post by: Oliver on November 26, 2008, 01:43:56 PM
I just got my email a few days back, inviting me to place an order. It's not the best timing, in terms of the exchange rate I'm getting. I might wait a few days yet. Hopefully the Aussie dollar will bounce back.

Otherwise, there are so many other great uses for the money.

Have to wait and see...

edit- Actually just looked at the photos then, for the first time. They have done a neet job shoe-horning the MIDI interface into the cartridge. Unfortunately, if I buy one, I would be modding the MIDI interface. I would probably just fit the cartridge and C=64 PCB together, into a new case, with my MIDI hackery included as well.