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Coffee House => Coffee House Boards => CH / General => Topic started by: persia on September 25, 2008, 05:47:34 PM
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Pimped Clown ? :shrug:
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I also found Microsoft's new marketing strategy confusing and uninspired... Perhaps they could have spent that $300,000,000 on making Vista better... Though I guess M$ have proven over and over again that they can't solve problems by throwing money at them...
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I don't care what they do, windows is still crap
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Windows is history for me too, i really love this new Macbook i bought 1 month ago :-D
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They must have found the only ~20 people in the world who are actually *passionate* about the PC for those commercials.
Great comic, by the way. :-)
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At first, i was scared that you talk about "Party Communist..." :lol:
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Best quote from the "I'm a PC" commercials:
"I'm a PC and I make people bleed."
So are these commercials made by Apple?
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What is this thread about?
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Political correctness
or something like that....
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motorollin wrote:
What is this thread about?
Ahhh... U haven't seen Microsoft's new $300,000,000 adverts, which attempt to show why Vista is good and Apple is bad :-)
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motorollin wrote:
What is this thread about?
they started a bunch of really BAD commercials on american TV about the personal computer.
it's supossed to be an answer to the MAC ads that were successful last year ("I'm a PC...and I'm a MAC" with two guy representing each.)
the new PC ads are trying to suggest that PC users are not all nerds or boring and stupid, but they miss the point that the OS itself is what is stupid and boring.
the people are just stuck using it
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i think the commercials are ok, not as witty or original as the mac ones they lampoon but not bad. the ones with gates and seinfeld are pretty funny but dont really make much of a point, other than that gates is out of touch.
the commercials with windows "mojave" could be interesting if they would who what they are talking about. they basically just say that we are using windows wrong and if we used it right we would all see how perfect it is... or something like that.
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Apple's ads were indeed confusing and unclear.
Microsoft's ads made a perfectly valid point. Whether or not Apple were referring to the users or the machines is beside the point - they were still portraying Macs as "hip trendy" machines, and PCs as "boring business machines".
Which might have made sense about 15 years ago - Commodore would have done well to run an advert like Apple's, back then - but as always, Apple are about 15 years behind the times, and now the idea is laughable. As Microsoft points out, PCs are everywhere, and used for all sorts of things, by all sorts of people.
I'm not sure what I find more absurd: 15 years ago, the Mac and PC users who looked down upon Amiga users because they viewed their machines as "serious business machines" and Amigas as "machines for having fun", or now, the Mac users who look down upon PC users because they view their machines as "machines for having fun" and PCs as "serious business machines"...
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New Windows Mobile
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Linky link (http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=xoJeEZoFAx4&feature=related)
check this out, its well funny
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cecilia wrote:
I don't care what they do, windows is still crap
Nevertheless, without it I wouldn't be playing Fallout 3. That would be the greater tragedy, as far as I'm concerned ;-)
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Karlos wrote:
cecilia wrote:
I don't care what they do, windows is still crap
Nevertheless, without it I wouldn't be playing Fallout 3. That would be the greater tragedy, as far as I'm concerned ;-)
Without it you would've been playing it on yer miggy 8-)
But isn't fallout 3 also available on the PS3?
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
But isn't fallout 3 also available on the PS3?
Yeah, but the difference is PC games usually scale up to the hardware. My gfx card alone has almost 1GB of RAM. I get to play it at a stupid resolution, with full anti aliasing, full HDR rendering, maximum detail for every setting and a draw distance that makes exploring any open world game a real treat.
What does any current console give you in that regard?
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I should also point out that UAE runs like a nutter on said machine.
It's only a pity that there isn't a multi-threaded JIT (accompanied by a suitable Exec patch) such that the CPU emulation could run more than one ready-state AmigaOS thread (each one being executed by a host-native one) at once on multi-core hosts.
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@Karlos
You know full well that exec is totally unsuited to a multi-CPU environment... It's a problem we've been mulling over with AROS for a few years... The Amiga is a dinosaur!
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Karlos wrote:
Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
But isn't fallout 3 also available on the PS3?
Yeah, but the difference is PC games usually scale up to the hardware. My gfx card alone has almost 1GB of RAM. I get to play it at a stupid resolution, with full anti aliasing, full HDR rendering, maximum detail for every setting and a draw distance that makes exploring any open world game a real treat.
What does any current console give you in that regard?
Well, the PS3 supports 1080P wich actually means a kinda resolution of 1920x1080 with progressive scan (say, VGA)
If I had the money, I'd go for the PS3, since one can easily transform it (There's an Ubuntu build for it, and it comes standard with USB ports) to a complete computer with a 7 core CPU.
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bloodline wrote:
@Karlos
You know full well that exec is totally unsuited to a multi-CPU environment... It's a problem we've been mulling over with AROS for a few years... The Amiga is a dinosaur!
At least the Amiga isn't based on the Commodore 64, yet this analogy still applies to the PC.
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
bloodline wrote:
@Karlos
You know full well that exec is totally unsuited to a multi-CPU environment... It's a problem we've been mulling over with AROS for a few years... The Amiga is a dinosaur!
At least the Amiga isn't based on the Commodore 64, yet this analogy still applies to the PC.
Hehe, speel, once the BIOS has done its job and removed from the address space the PC is the most modern machine money can buy ;-). My MPBs even lose the BIOS for EFI... :-)
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Microsoft isn't putting it's money for nothing on .NET. Everyone, and especially Intel, knows the adressing structure of x86 sucks balls (figuratively speaking of course, otherwise it'd not be bad). They all want to get rid of it, but they need it as well, to keep the compatibility advantage they have over their competition.
With the Xbox 360, Microsoft didn't need this compatibility so they chose not to use x86.
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Karlos wrote:
Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
But isn't fallout 3 also available on the PS3?
Yeah, but the difference is PC games usually scale up to the hardware. My gfx card alone has almost 1GB of RAM. I get to play it at a stupid resolution, with full anti aliasing, full HDR rendering, maximum detail for every setting and a draw distance that makes exploring any open world game a real treat.
What does any current console give you in that regard?
Well, the PS3 supports 1080P wich actually means a kinda resolution of 1920x1080 with progressive scan (say, VGA)
If I had the money, I'd go for the PS3, since one can easily transform it (There's an Ubuntu build for it, and it comes standard with USB ports) to a complete computer with a 7 core CPU.
What, only 1080? Is that it? :lol:
It may give you 7 cores, but you can't use them effectively at all, the hardware is too proprietry.
On the other hand, I have 4 CPU cores sharing 12MB of L2 cache and 192 GPU cores, all of which I can write C/C++ for directly ;-)
17 Billion Interation/Second gravity simulation as a desktop toy (http://extropia.co.uk/img/nbody.png)
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bloodline wrote:
@Karlos
You know full well that exec is totally unsuited to a multi-CPU environment... It's a problem we've been mulling over with AROS for a few years... The Amiga is a dinosaur!
I didn't say it was suited, but if you stop and think about it, a collection of host native threads in the same address space can still run on multiple cores, right? That was my understanding at least.
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Karlos wrote:
Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Karlos wrote:
Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
But isn't fallout 3 also available on the PS3?
Yeah, but the difference is PC games usually scale up to the hardware. My gfx card alone has almost 1GB of RAM. I get to play it at a stupid resolution, with full anti aliasing, full HDR rendering, maximum detail for every setting and a draw distance that makes exploring any open world game a real treat.
What does any current console give you in that regard?
Well, the PS3 supports 1080P wich actually means a kinda resolution of 1920x1080 with progressive scan (say, VGA)
If I had the money, I'd go for the PS3, since one can easily transform it (There's an Ubuntu build for it, and it comes standard with USB ports) to a complete computer with a 7 core CPU.
What, only 1080? Is that it? :lol:
It may give you 7 cores, but you can't use them effectively at all, the hardware is too proprietry.
Hm, I thought they were quite open with it
Or so I hoped, to be able to get a good computer quite cheaply. :-(
On the other hand, I have 4 CPU cores sharing 12MB of L2 cache and 192 GPU cores, all of which I can write C/C++ for directly ;-)
So, out from the megahertz myth into the core myth?
17 Billion Interation/Second gravity simulation as a desktop toy (http://extropia.co.uk/img/nbody.png)
BIPS
*sniggers*
(Bips means buttocks in Dutch)
/I'll get my coat
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Karlos wrote:
bloodline wrote:
@Karlos
You know full well that exec is totally unsuited to a multi-CPU environment... It's a problem we've been mulling over with AROS for a few years... The Amiga is a dinosaur!
I didn't say it was suited, but if you stop and think about it, a collection of host native threads in the same address space can still run on multiple cores, right? That was my understanding at least.
Sure, but without Processor affinity, threads are going to be very inefficient... With Exec, every task switch will require a cache flush... and every time you need to call forbid() all the Processors have to halt... basically... exec is just horribly inefficient on multi-processor systems... :-(
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Microsoft isn't putting it's money for nothing on .NET. Everyone, and especially Intel, knows the adressing structure of x86 sucks balls (figuratively speaking of course, otherwise it'd not be bad).
There really isn't anything wrong with a modern x86 chip! The x86-64 is even very nice!
They all want to get rid of it, but they need it as well, to keep the compatibility advantage they have over their competition.
No one wants to get rid of the x86! Especially for the reason you just listed! :-D
With the Xbox 360, Microsoft didn't need this compatibility so they chose not to use x86.
M$ wanted cheap... IBM offered a cheap muilticore CPU, IBM own a PPC licence but not an x86 one, so they use that... if IBM owned a MIPS licence that would use that instead... The choice of CPU architecture in the consoles is not a technical one... it's a cost/political one.
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Karlos wrote:
Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Karlos wrote:
Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
But isn't fallout 3 also available on the PS3?
Yeah, but the difference is PC games usually scale up to the hardware. My gfx card alone has almost 1GB of RAM. I get to play it at a stupid resolution, with full anti aliasing, full HDR rendering, maximum detail for every setting and a draw distance that makes exploring any open world game a real treat.
What does any current console give you in that regard?
Well, the PS3 supports 1080P wich actually means a kinda resolution of 1920x1080 with progressive scan (say, VGA)
If I had the money, I'd go for the PS3, since one can easily transform it (There's an Ubuntu build for it, and it comes standard with USB ports) to a complete computer with a 7 core CPU.
What, only 1080? Is that it? :lol:
It may give you 7 cores, but you can't use them effectively at all, the hardware is too proprietry.
On the other hand, I have 4 CPU cores sharing 12MB of L2 cache and 192 GPU cores, all of which I can write C/C++ for directly ;-)
17 Billion Interation/Second gravity simulation as a desktop toy (http://extropia.co.uk/img/nbody.png)
Point me towards some decent nbody sims... I want to use my 2.8Ghz Core2Duo for something fun! Cheers :-)