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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: redrumloa on September 22, 2008, 09:18:19 PM
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No, that was not a misprint but it is a tease at this point! I am working on a deal to source a large quantity of NOS (New Old Stock) QuickPak Amiga 4000T. The price won't be cheap for me, so the end user cost won't be cheap. The price will be much cheaper than the last couple clean used units recently sold on eBay.
Would you be interested in this, the ultimate Amiga of all times?
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f&*k YES!! I want one. Even if I have to get a loan..hehehe
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really? I am interested too! where is more info on those Quickpak towers? are they just towers or complete systems? for the original D A4000 or the T ?
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Damn you Red!
I had swore I would not buy any more Classic Amiga computers.
In fact, I am trying to cut my collection by almost half, not add to it.
NOS A4000T's are soooooooooooooo tempting though.
Edit: Pan1k, if you do get one let me know. Maybe we can save on shipping by putting two towers in one box?
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All,
QuikPak (as many may recall) was the licensed assembler for US A4000Ts when ESCOM/AI ran the show. Their early units look just like the ESCOM units (same case) with the only appreciable difference being the A4060 accellerator designed for QuikPak (arguably the fastest 060 ever due to use of EDO RAM).
Later, as QuikPak was about to go away, they began to ship a "new" A4000T in a much better case (larger, wider) with a bigger power supply. Their goal was to try to recapture the video toaster market and their uprated case was perfect for the task.
*IF* Redrumloa has found some of the later cases then you will indeed have a VERY RARE A4000T. I only saw two at the last Gateway Amiga show in St. Louis. I know that a few units shipped but they were even more expensive then the generic ESCOM / AI A4000Ts.
Either way, if Red has found some NOS A4000Ts you should NOT miss this chance!
Regards,
Ltstanfo
Moderator - AO
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Wow! :-o
I'd be interested... though I may have to sell a kidney ;-)
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Interested depending on price and spec.
On another note, I wonder if they will come complete with failing capacitors? :-D :-( :lol:
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I dont suppose you'd be prepared to give details at this point?
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I WILL TAKE ONE!
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*LOL* I want one too!
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Oh, hell yeah. Everyone will want one, though, so I see a series of out-of-control auctions in our future.
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hmmm let's see the price LOL
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Trev wrote:
Oh, hell yeah. Everyone will want one, though, so I see a series of out-of-control auctions in our future.
No, I don't want to go that route. There should a substantial number of A4000Ts, I'll sell them at a modest (small) markup.
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I hope i can get one this has been my dream amiga for a long time .... Seems i forgot all about that Acube thing now... :lol:
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keropi wrote:
really? I am interested too! where is more info on those Quickpak towers? are they just towers or complete systems? for the original D A4000 or the T ?
I will post more info when I get more. I'm pretty sure these are going to be the newest T towers. Complete system? Monitor not likely, but otherwise should be full.
I should have much more info very soon and yes, this is no joke.
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alexh wrote:
I dont suppose you'd be prepared to give details at this point?
More info very, very soon. No smoke and mirrors, this should be the real deal.
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No, I don't want to go that route. There should a substantial number of A4000Ts, I'll sell them at a modest (small) markup.
Which is why you're my favorite eBayer. ;-)
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@redrumloa
Like everyone else I would also be interested. Shipping to London?
TrevorD
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@ Itstanfo
Do you have proof or confirmation Quikpak shipped "new" A4000T's in a "much better case" as you are saying?
I have never seen any evidence to this fact. I know they did demo a luggable A4000 type machine and also an A5000 tower machine which was an A4000T and Bridgeboard combo, but as far as I know, none of these units ever shipped. Only the original Quikpak A4000T shipped with a A3640 rev 3.2 and two different 060 cards, the original A4060T version, designed by Jeff Boyer of GVP fame, and a A4060 Desktop version, again by Jeff Boyer. (I know as I have owned both and currently own the Desktop 060 version).
Just so everyone knows, you have always been able to get NOS A4000T's from Software Hut for about $1000 USD. You just have to e-mail them and ask. I bought one last year.
Photos here: http://www.hd-zone.com/amiga/A4000T.html
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RED I HATE YOU..... or that's what the wife would say........ Shipping to Sydney PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! put me down for one please... :-D
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You know I'll take one also! Just give me the price and the money's on it's way.
Dan
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The brain says :banana: [color=ff0000]YES![/color][/b][/i] but the wallet says :whack: forget it you idiot!
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Will it be less that $1,000?
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Any idea on price yet? Are you talking many thousands here?
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jimbo100 wrote:
Any idea on price yet? Are you talking many thousands here?
No hard price yet, but it will not be many thousands. It will more likely be in the ballpark of $1,000.
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Damn you Red! How am I gonna sell this to my long suffering wife?! The 4000T would be the Amiga of my dreams. Add in a VT/Flyer combo and bye bye iMovie!
Now I have to come up with the money! Siigh..
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Would $1000USD-ballpark price be for an 060 based unit or for a regular A3640 based one?
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x56h34 wrote:
Would $1000USD-ballpark price be for an 060 based unit or for a regular A3640 based one?
:lol:
We will know more soon...
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Hiya,
Are these PAL or NTSC machines?
Cheers,
Mike.
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@mingle
NTSC
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I don't think I remember ever hearing about Quickpak. Are they a company Commodore chose to manufacture the A4000T or are these some kind of Amiga clone?
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A4000Ts can be made PAL or NTSC by simply changing a jumper on the motherboard (the same goes for A3000D/T and A4000D). The Back of the case will say NTSC, but that doesn't really matter. The PSU on it is a standard AT 110/220V switchable one so it can work both in Europe and N. America.
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The QuickPak were a short run that had 060 cpus in them. I remember the advertisements in '96 or 97. But if Software Hut has them for the same price I would rather go that route. I think theirs are 040's though. I am tempted to get one, I will have to see....
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If the price is right I might be interested too :-D
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NO! Amigaz has enough amigas! gimme! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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This is great news. It just so happens I found $1000 in change under the sofa cushions tonight! :crazy:
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Count me in, depending on final specs.
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gklinger wrote:
This is great news. It just so happens I found $1000 in change under the sofa cushions tonight! :crazy:
I bet the cat was sitting on them cushions as well...
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dam you red.. Wish I had some $$ for one (Australian Banana's don't go far enough..)
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redrumloa wrote:
No hard price yet, but it will not be many thousands. It will more likely be in the ballpark of $1,000.
/me prays the US financial market won't heal too quickly and the US$ will devaluate some more.... :-) I'm very tempted, but I'll have to do some very hard thinking and pondering before I decide to buy one.
Nevertheless: it's amazing that you even have found this lot. Three cheers for red! (how many units are we talking about here anyway?)
Does anybody have a picture of this Quikpak tower? Does it look much the same as the C= and AT 4000Ts?
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oh god i can't remeber if there is a jumper on the A4000T to flick between NTSC and PAL? i know there is on the A4000D
if there is, i'm well interested!
if there are a few of us in the UK, maybe we could arrange a bulk shipment so to speak...
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Doh! missed the answer to my question earlier in the thread. sorry about that. i guess in my excitement i sped read past it!
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oh god i can't remeber if there is a jumper on the A4000T
Idea for new hardware: some kind of easy to install jumper switch.
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I want one, even if I have to sell and swap all my amiga stuff to get one. Including my ppc card.
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i think i would be in for one to :)
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Argh! I need a money-producing sofa too!
US$1K is about NZ$1600 (and getting higher by the week, aside from the very recent drops). And I dread to think what the shipping costs would be!
Ah well, still interested to know the final price out of curiosity!
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Hi,
Can you I have one please.
Kind Regards, Michael
aka rockape
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This is terrible news, Red. I definitely don't need a Brand New QuickPak Amiga 4000 Tower... ...But now I want one. You {bleep}!!!
I'm curious to know pricing and options, at least.
When you find that stash of NOS Cyberstorm PPCs it will be a sad day for my bank account.
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Any news on prices red? I'm too interested!!
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_ThEcRoW wrote:
Any news on prices red? I'm too interested!!
Don't shoot me!! I thought I would have more information for you today or i would have waited to post anything. It may be a couple days for more details.. There are several layers to peel back to get to the center..
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You shameless teaser!
I've three sofas and can't find even a $100 under the cushion
It is amazing what sometimes gets left in a warehouse or stockroom;I recently missed out on cases of brand-new zip disks a local university threw out to make room for newer items.I waited to long to make them an offer that I could afford and everybody lost out.
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HammerD wrote:
Just so everyone knows, you have always been able to get NOS A4000T's from Software Hut for about $1000 USD. You just have to e-mail them and ask. I bought one last year.
Exactly, HammerD; I'm not sure what the big fuss is about. I bought TWO of them from from Software Hut last year, With 060 boards!
One of them is still in the crate because I want to take a photo series of unpacking a factory fresh A4000T :-D
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weirdami wrote:
I don't think I remember ever hearing about Quickpak. Are they a company Commodore chose to manufacture the A4000T or are these some kind of Amiga clone?
Please see my previous post on page 1.
In summary - QuikPak was THE licensed US assembler for A4000T during the ESCOM/AT days (if you bought an ESCOM A4000T in the US, it was assembled by QuikPak). They took the A4000T boards / cards and put them into cases... early stocks used the same case as the ESCOM A4000T but there was a late production version that used a much better (larger with bigger power supply) case aimed at the video market. QuikPak is best remembered for their A4060 accelerator card, which is considered the best / fastest by some for its use of EDO RAM. There were plans for an onboard SCSI update for the card but I don't think it was ever released (you sent your card back for a hardware / software update).
As for NTSC or PAL, there is indeed a jumper on the mobo to help with that. The problem (if you want to do video) is the that Video Toaster / Video Flyer were only produced for the NTSC market.
Now, QuikPak was at one time trying to bid for the remains of C= / ESCOM but they lost out. They did have some interesting ideas for the future. Too bad they didn't win.
Follow this link (http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/3146/cyberdockamiga.html) and look for QuikPak. The brief article provides useful (if not dated) info on the company.
Regards,
Ltstanfo
Moderator AO
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hardlink wrote:
Exactly, HammerD; I'm not sure what the big fuss is about. I bought TWO of them from from Software Hut last year, With 060 boards!
One of them is still in the crate because I want to take a photo series of unpacking a factory fresh A4000T :-D
This is like running into a Coke factory and proclaiming Pepsi is better. Anyone who thinks they can source an A4000T at Software hut, be my guest.
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redrumloa wrote:
This is like running into a Coke factory and proclaiming Pepsi is better. Anyone who thinks they can source an A4000T at Software hut, be my guest.
No offense redrumola, I'm not claiming Pepsi or Coke is better. I just thought it was general knowledge that new old stock A4000T's have always been available at a price for those who need them, this has even been discussed here, and was surprised at the reaction.
I'd rather see them being used by the community rather than corroding in a warehouse no matter who sells them! The more time people are using a real Amiga, the better.
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FWIW I doubt they can be sourced at Software Hut any longer, but I certainly do not speak for them.
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Are we talking hundreds or thousands A4000T:s?
I am maybe interested, but that depends on the price :-)
I am trying to remember why I can not afford 4.1/SAM last week ;-)
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cv643d wrote:
Are we talking hundreds or thousands A4000T:s?
I am maybe interested, but that depends on the price :-)
I am trying to remember why I can not afford 4.1/SAM last week ;-)
No, we are talking in the dozens. From the interest shown here, it may be "just enough".
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What do you think shipping to the UK would cost for such a heavy item ?
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redrumloa wrote:
No, we are talking in the dozens.
Double You Tee Eff! Seems you found the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow :lol: :lol:
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redrumloa wrote:
No, we are talking in the dozens. From the interest shown here, it may be "just enough".
Nice, according to Wikipedia, dozen is 12. So around 12 A4000T. Cool :-)
You should line them up and snap a foto before you sell them :-D
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cv643d wrote:
redrumloa wrote:
we are talking in the dozens
Nice, according to Wikipedia, dozen is 12.
Dozens (plural) = some multiple of 12. Or 12x, where x is the number of dozens :-P
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moto
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early stocks used the same case as the ESCOM A4000T but there was a late production version that used a much better (larger with bigger power supply) case aimed at the video market. QuikPak is best remembered for their A4060 accelerator card, which is considered the best / fastest by some for its use of EDO RAM. There were plans for an onboard SCSI update for the card but I don't think it was ever released (you sent your card back for a hardware / software update).
Hi, just asking again, do you have any evidence that a "late production version" actually shipped using a much better case? I have never heard of this...
What I do know for a fact is:
Quikpak produced the A4000T motherboard and assembled them into the A4000T case approved by Amiga Technologies and sold into the North American market. They sold complete A4000T systems to Amiga stores like Software Hut, with either a A3640 rev 3.2 card or with two different 060 cards. The first 060 card was a large card commonly known as the Quikpak 4060T 68060 board with EDO ram slots and optional scsi. The second was a smaller "desktop" version of the same board, named A4000-060 XP Rev. 2.
I have heard RUMOURS, but have no confirmation, that some systems shipped with Phase 5 060 cards. Perhaps that was only in europe, or perhaps it is a rumour only.
Quikpak also DEMOED the A4060L and A5050 computers at a Toronto Amiga show. I saw both with my own eyes, but I have no confirmation either of those machines actually shipped to end users.
The 4060L seemed to be an entirely new board but again, I don't really remember getting a peek at the board itself, but from the size of the square-ish case, I don't think it could have been an A4000T motherboard, nor an A1200 board.
The 5050L was, if I recall, a slightly different case with an A4000T motherboard and a siamese/bridgeboard inside, too. Nothing really special there. Perhaps that is the case you mean?
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motorollin wrote:
Dozens (plural) = some multiple of 12. Or 12x, where x is the number of dozens :-P
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moto
Ah... that must mean not 100 but some multiple of 12.
Maxmimum ~8x12 = 96 A4000T :-D
Minimum ~2x12 = 24 A4000T :-D
I have a some Uni points in statistics but i forgot it all :crazy:
otherwise we can calculate statistically how many A4000T there will be for sale :idea:
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@redrumloa
Hi.
I would like too buy one, if you can ship it too norway.
Cheers
Buzz
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cv643d wrote:
Ah... that must mean not 100 but some multiple of 12.
Maxmimum ~8x12 = 96 A4000T :-D
Minimum ~2x12 = 24 A4000T :-D
Your minimum figure is probably accurate, since red said "dozens", which means more than one dozen. But your maximum figure could be 2 <= x < infinity :-P
Edit - actually since I'm being pedantic, x >= 2 is a more efficient way of saying 2 <= x < infinity, since x >= 2 implies no upper limit ;-)
cv643d wrote:
otherwise we can calculate statistically how many A4000T there will be for sale :idea:
No, I prefer the possibility that there is an infinite supply of (dozens of) them :-D
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moto
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lol @ moto :lol:
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Regards,
Ltstanfo
Moderator AO
...with the least number of posts of any moderator. :-o
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Yep, likely the fewest posts (as moderator). Much of what is being discussed on AO these recent years is common knowledge for those old enough to remember (no offense to anyone here... I am 42 and have used AMIGAs since 1986).
Inevitably similar if not same questions get asked over and over and I don't see any point in "reinventing the wheel", so to speak. If I think I can contribute something, I will. Otherwise, I only get involved if there is an admin issue.
Regards,
Ltstanfo
Moderator - AO
weirdami wrote:
Regards,
Ltstanfo
Moderator AO
...with the least number of posts of any moderator. :-o
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HammerD wrote:
early stocks used the same case as the ESCOM A4000T but there was a late production version that used a much better (larger with bigger power supply) case aimed at the video market. QuikPak is best remembered for their A4060 accelerator card, which is considered the best / fastest by some for its use of EDO RAM. There were plans for an onboard SCSI update for the card but I don't think it was ever released (you sent your card back for a hardware / software update).
Hi, just asking again, do you have any evidence that a "late production version" actually shipped using a much better case? I have never heard of this...
HammerD,
I think we may indeed be talking past each other. In no way am I trying to infer that a "super (QuikPak) A4000T" exists. I as have stated previously, there was a late revision to the QuikPak assembled A4000Ts (http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=47) in which a different case was substituted for the horrible ESCOM/AI (Enlite) case. The "new case" was taller, slightly wider and had a larger power supply. It's intended market was specifically the video community and those who wanted more expansion room (in the case). Like the ESCOM predecessors assembled / shipped by QuikPak, these late A4000Ts shipped with the QuickPak manufactured A4060(T) accelerator card. Other than the above mentioned differences (in case and P/S) there is no difference in specs.. same mobo, keyboard, mouse, OS, etc...
I saw two of these cases at the last Gateway Amiga Show (St. Louis) at the (I believe) CompuQuick booth in the dealer's room. I'm pretty sure if you ask some of the other old timers around the site they can confirm this version of the A4000T (Tigger comes to mind).
FYI I was at the last Toronto Amiga Show so we likely ran across each other. The QuikPak luggables were demo units only (none shipped).
Just so everyone knows, my history with the world of Amiga is as follows:
Registered C= developer, still have all of my developer materials (AmigaMail, RKMs for both WB1.3 and 2.x). I also still have some of the developer disks handed out at the (IIRC) last C= developer meeting in Long Beach.
For a brief time I was the designer and manufacturer of an aftermarket A3000 case which upgraded a standard A3000D into an A3000T. The purpose was to provide a less expensive alternative to buying the (then) very expensive A3000T. The case was sold through the local Amiga Dealer for about 2 years.
Webmaster for Amiga Developer Network (http://www.cucug.org/amiga/aminews/1997/970326-nasau.html) during the pre-Gateway days (originated by Wayne Hunt and Kermit Woodall of NovaDesign). This was a developer related site that was in competition to be the next official developer support network. Once Gateway and the Fleecy crowd got involved, they invented something called (IIRC) KOSH (http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/kosh.html). I eventually wound up being the (last) webmaster for the developer portion of that site as well.
We now return you to your regular scheduled banter. :-D
Regards,
Ltstanfo
Moderator - AO
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Oh man I might just have to go all in and get one if they become available at a reasonable price.
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NOS A4000T?
Giggidy giggidy giggidy giggidy.... awww right!
Sorry, had a Quagmire moment at the mere thought of it.
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Whether any of these shipped, I can't say.... but here's an ad for the Quickpak 4000T from a 1998 issue of Amazing Computing.
Quickpak 4000T ad (http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/3092/ac9808p0000bdi1.jpg)
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Yep,
That looks similar to the tower I recall seeing (but I don't recall the LS120 super floppy). I was not aware that advertising had been done for it. Where did you find that?
Thanks for the scan!
Regards,
Ltstanfo
Moderator - AO
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ltstanfo wrote:
That looks similar to the tower I recall seeing (but I don't recall the LS120 super floppy). I was not aware that advertising had been done for it. Where did you find that?
It came from the August 1998 issue of Amazing Computing magazine. As for where I found it.... it was in the same directory on my HD where the other 13+ GB of Amiga zine scans reside. ;-)
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JimS wrote:
It came from the August 1998 issue of Amazing Computing magazine. As for where I found it.... it was in the same directory on my HD where the other 13+ GB of Amiga zine scans reside. ;-)
Thanks for the info JimS! As you likely remember, things were in quite a state of disarray back in the late 1990s with several camps trying to move the Amiga forward. I was one of the QuikPak proponents back then and had a few conversations with Dave Zimbecki (sp?) who was their CEO. They definitely had some great ideas and were trying to move forward but when Gateway won the Amiga remains, it killed QuikPak (that and the fact that ESCOM had issues with them). Too bad really... for my money (at that time) they were the only ones who had a workable plan of action and were willing to discuss it in detail.
EDIT - YES, THE QUIKPAK PowerTower DID SHIP:
SoftwareHut (http://www.softhut.com/toast.html) sells QuikPak Power Tower
National Amiga shows QuikPak Power Tower (http://www.hd-zone.com/amiga/amiga-show.html) (read Saturday overview). THIS IS THE VENDOR I SAW...not CompuQuick. Confirmation. :-D
Regards,
Ltstanfo
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ROFL @ cv643d & Moto! :lol:
I was catching up on the thread & was gunno answer like Moto did, before I even read his reply!
It just went on from there.......
Chuckles..... :-D
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Why couldn't you have found these back in July when the $ wasn't worth anything?
I could have easily justified one then at $2.10 = £1 :-)
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Maybe he was already thinking ahead! ;-)
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I have been asked by some users here to explain what happened to QuikPak.
In short, they were on the losing side of a lawsuit with ESCOM.
A lawsuit was filed in US court by Dr. Bernhard Hembach, the German court's ESCOM bankruptcy trustee, which halted QuikPak's production of A4000 computers. At the heart of the suit was a long standing dispute, predating the collapse of ESCOM, that concerned remaining Amiga stock (motherboards, chips, etc...) extended to QuikPak to produce A4000s.
The outcome / settlement forced QuikPak to send all remaining stocks to Germany which effectively killed the company. I don't know whether additional A4000Ts were made in Germany subsequent to the court settlement.
As an interesting aside, QuikPak actually had some of C='s manufacturing equipment so they were well suited to build the A4000T's in the US. I presume (but do not know) that when they sent the remaining stocks of A4000T parts to Germany that the manufacturing equipment went with it.
Regards,
Ltstanfo
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Swop you 10 barrels of oil for one?
Erm, 9 barrels... 8... ;-)
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:-D >PMSL< :-D
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The outcome / settlement forced QuikPak to send all remaining stocks to Germany which effectively killed the company. I don't know whether additional A4000Ts were made in Germany subsequent to the court settlement.
As an interesting aside, QuikPak actually had some of C='s manufacturing equipment so they were well suited to build the A4000T's in the US. I presume (but do not know) that when they sent the remaining stocks of A4000T parts to Germany that the manufacturing equipment went with it.
I would love to know what happened with all the bits and pieces. Probably scrapped, but I suppose there is always a slim chance they are in storage somewhere after a company who was owed money from Escom took what it could from the liquidators.
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If the price is at acceptabe level - i'd like to buy one as well.
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alexh wrote:
Why couldn't you have found these back in July when the $ wasn't worth anything?
The dollar still isn't worth anything, it's just your British pound that is devaluating as well. But nooooo, you stubborn island dwellers wanted to keep your own money, rather than adapt the Euro.... :lol:
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I've already got a 4000T with an MK2 060 in it (no SCSI on it). Let's say these have the Quikpak 060 in them - would it be better to sell the MK2 and keep the Quikpak or vice-versa? I'm thinking of piecing out my current 4000T and picking one of these up. I know the MK2 will at least pay for a good chunk of this 'new' one.
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There will be one less of these as I want one!!!
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icbrkr wrote:
I've already got a 4000T with an MK2 060 in it (no SCSI on it). Let's say these have the Quikpak 060 in them - would it be better to sell the MK2 and keep the Quikpak or vice-versa? I'm thinking of piecing out my current 4000T and picking one of these up. I know the MK2 will at least pay for a good chunk of this 'new' one.
It was generally accepted at the time that the A4060 accelerator card (QuikPak) was the best of breed until the CS MK3 came along. Many people then (myself included) thought it was an even match (unless you wanted to use the VT in which case the CSMK3 won due to it's ability to add the onboard cybervisionPPC card (not the separate Cybervisions that used a video slot).
So, my advice would be to sell the MK2 *IF* you can get one of the towers with the QuikPak A4060.
Regards,
Ltstanfo
Moderator-AO
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I am interested to see how much these 4000's are up for, inlcuding shipping to the UK.
@ McVenco
Guess all you 'victims' in the failed "Euro-zone" have waited long enough for the Euro to actually be worth anything at all, because along with the rest of the EU rubbish it's pretty much a waste of time. Oh yeah, and we will never adopt the Euro because we don't want to part of the United States of Europe - so you can keep that ridiculous political token called the Euro :-D
[End of rant] :madashell:
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Red.
That sounds so awesome.
You are the man :bow:
If you are making a list please add my name
... right at the top :-D
Aloha!
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And I had promissed myself the Indivision SD would be my last big purchase... :-)
@Retro71 maybe we can team up and save on shipping?
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impactor wrote:
I am interested to see how much these 4000's are up for, inlcuding shipping to the UK.
Impactor... I love your avatar! I'm so glad to see Zorak here at AO! :bow:
Long live the lone Mantis of the apocolypse!! :-P
Regards,
Ltstanfo
Moderator - AO
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Marcb wrote:
And I had promissed myself the Indivision SD would be my last big purchase... :-)
@Retro71 maybe we can team up and save on shipping?
Sounds like a plan!!
lol i just spent $726.00 at amigakit.... I really hope the wife never see these posts... otherwise i dont think you will ever hear from me again.... :-) :-P
I just hope we can get one each.......
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This is very tempting!! I'm so likely going to get one!
Cheers
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Any more word on this Red? You stired the pot... Now the natives are hungry for more... I just hope this deal goes through for you...
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trip6 wrote:
Any more word on this Red? You stired the pot... Now the natives are hungry for more... I just hope this deal goes through for you...
Nope, if I would have known it would take this long I would have kept my mouth shut for a while. They are there, there are just many layers involved. Meaning, not just one person to deal with, but multiple. It should all work out in the end.
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I already have an A4000T, but I am still tempted, such is the attraction of a NOS Tower!
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Ok, I am getting some more solid information.
New in box base units, just like the day it rolled off the assembly line in the late 90's:
040 25mhz
2mb chip ram
no hard drive
scsi built in
all manuals
keyboard
OS 3.1
There seems to be maybe 2 dozen units, less than I expected. Quickpak 060 cards are separate and only a handful exist, maybe 3. The prices are also higher than I expected, my contacts are playing a little bit of hardball. I suspect the final price may turn a few people off, but we'll see. Hope to have more info soon.
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Too bad they are not 060s...
But a new a4000 would still be very cool!
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Something for everyone to consider here (and it's just my opinion): *IF* this is all the last generation of QuikPak stuff (powertower and A4060 card) this may be how the stuff shipped to dealers since (I would speculate) QuikPack was looking to generate as much money as possible (since they lost the court case).
I wish Jim luck on this endeavor.
EDIT - In case anyone is curious about the QuikPak 4060 card (http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=220).
Regards,
Ltstanfo
Moderator - AO
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I would still want both those options if possible even if it will cost me a great deal :lol: Seems you are my only hope for finding a quickpack 060 accboard
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redrumloa wrote:
Ok, I am getting some more solid information.
New in box base units, just like the day it rolled off the assembly line in the late 90's:
040 25mhz
2mb chip ram
no hard drive
scsi built in
all manuals
keyboard
OS 3.1
There seems to be maybe 2 dozen units, less than I expected. Quickpak 060 cards are separate and only a handful exist, maybe 3. The prices are also higher than I expected, my contacts are playing a little bit of hardball. I suspect the final price may turn a few people off, but we'll see. Hope to have more info soon.
I suspect your contact's name might start with the letter "J". 8-) ;-)
I think you might have gotten a lot of us all worked up for nothing, but hope not.
When do you think you will have the pricing?
Edit: Please tell me it won't be $1,999 :cry:
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This is just totally awesome! I can't imagine anyone storing more than 20 of these machines for ten years... I'd love to get one, but sadly that wouldn't make too much sense.
Oh, just for the record: it's easy to change an NTSC unit to PAL for most purposes, but for 100% compatibility (video/genlocking) the chipset oscillator must be changed as well: PAL requires 28.37516 MHz while NTSC runs on 28.63636 MHz. ;-)
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Colour me still interested in the A4000T and 060 card.
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redrumloa wrote:
New in box base units, just like the day it rolled off the assembly line in the late 90's
RED, AFAIK A4000T motherboards were designed to use LiH alkaline barrel batteries that were prone to leaking, just like A500+, A3000 & A4000D. If they have never been touched since they were manufactured in the late 90's I'd bet money that most have leaked. I would find out what condition they are in before buying.
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I think the QuickPaks were supposed to be some of the few that used Lithium coin-cells, luckily for Red and everyone else. Otherwise there'd probably a couple dozen pretty cases with wrecked boards inside.
Definitely worth popping a few open to be sure, though.
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alexh wrote:
AFAIK A4000T motherboards used LiH alkaline barrel batteries that were prone to leaking,
Nope, they don't. A4000Ts had coin type batteries. They are very probably dead, but not leaking
See: http://bboah.amiga-resistance.info/cgi-bin/showhardware_en.cgi?HARDID=4
"The A4000T also uses coin shaped lithium batteries unlike most Amiga models which use the barrel shaped batteries."
Picture: http://bboah.amiga-resistance.info/download_photos/a4000tmb_rev4_4.jpg
(bottom right shows the battery)
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McVenco wrote:
Nope, they don't. A4000Ts had coin type batteries.
You sure?
McVenco wrote:
See: http://bboah.amiga-resistance.info/cgi-bin/showhardware_en.cgi?HARDID=4
"The A4000T also uses coin shaped lithium batteries unlike most Amiga models which use the barrel shaped batteries."
Interesting, however you cannot rely 100% on information on BBoAH.
McVenco wrote:
Picture: http://bboah.amiga-resistance.info/download_photos/a4000tmb_rev4_4.jpg
(bottom right shows the battery)
Look at the photograph. It is without a doubt an after production replacement. You can see the solder marks on the PCB laquer and you can see the board was designed to take a barrel battery.
The only Amiga motherboard designed to take a Coin type battery was the A4000D-CR
http://bboah.com/download_photos/a4000crrevd.jpg
Look how it is a really designed to take a coin battery, the silk screen, the space, the connectors.
I am not saying that all A4000T's did not come with hacked coin batteries out of the factory. It's just they were not designed to have them.
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@redrumloa
my contacts are playing a little bit of hardball
do your contacts read AO posts?
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The Amiga Hardware Database also shows the A4000T mainboard with a coin type battery:
http://amiga.resource.cx/photos/a4000t
It could indeed be that originally the A4000T was designed with a barrel battery in mind, but I never heard of one actually having one (at least, not from the people that I know who own(ed) an A4000T).
Also, the silkscreened battery outline on the A4000T board doesn't look like a true barrel one either. On the A2000/3000/4000D mainboard it's rectangular. The one on the A4000T is square:
http://bboah.amiga-resistance.info/download_photos/a4000tmb_blank_front.jpg
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alexh wrote:
Interesting, however you cannot rely 100% on information on BBoAH.
Agreed, but in this case they are right. All my A4000T's (I have 3) have exactly the same, original coin battery:
PIC (http://www.amiga4ever.nl/images/A4000T/0003.jpg)
Just like the A4000CR (I also own one) the A4000T not only has a coin battery but also an external battery connector.
Makes you wonder, why not fit a coin battery holder instead of a "soldered to the board type one" and an external connector...
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Tahoe wrote:
All my A4000T's (I have 3)
Tssss, showoff...
(I know where you live - better watch that Amiga room of yours ;-) )
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Tahoe wrote:
All my A4000T's (I have 3) have exactly the same, original coin battery:
PIC (http://www.amiga4ever.nl/images/A4000T/0003.jpg)
Cool.
Tahoe wrote:
Makes you wonder, why not fit a coin battery holder instead of a "soldered to the board type one" and an external connector...
Ah, that might explain the picture on BBoAH, A4000T's might have coin batteries out of the factory but in order to replace them you've got to desolder it.
I still think it was a post-design change.
The A4000D-CR (which is wot I got!) was perhaps designed after the A4000T? It has a standard coin battery holder for easy battery replacement.
Anyhow scare over.
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While I cannot say with absolute certainty, I do know that even my Commodore A4000T (not ESCOM), serial #14, had a coin battery. Every A4000T I have seen has had coin batteries... soldered to the motherboard.
Regards,
Ltstanfo
Moderator-AO
alexh wrote:
redrumloa wrote:
New in box base units, just like the day it rolled off the assembly line in the late 90's
RED, AFAIK A4000T motherboards used LiH alkaline barrel batteries that were prone to leaking, just like A500+, A3000 & A4000D. If they have never been touched since they were manufactured in the late 90's I'd bet money that most have leaked. I would find out what condition they are in before buying.
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Every A4000T I have seen (maybe 10 total) had a coin type battery that was soldered in place. They were not in a holder where they could be easily changed. I have never seen an A4000T with a barrel battery.
Dan
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Perhaps some of the Pre-production A4KT boards had barrel type batteries. Otherwise & afaik, 4000T's were Always a Coin Battery. I've owned several myself & have seen loads of others too, but all with Coin Battery.
RE the A4KD Rev D with on board CPU & Coin Battery, these machines were a vain effort to reduce costs & the battery in there was a cheaper solution than the barrel kind because of the surface mount process making the whole production cheaper.
I guess the A4KD rev D just rolled on with progress, as it did with the Coin Battery from the A4KT. ;-)
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alexh wrote:
The A4000D-CR (which is wot I got!) was perhaps designed after the A4000T? It has a standard coin battery holder for easy battery replacement.
My A4000D-CR certainly doesn't have the coin battery holder, it's soldered directly to the maininboard like the A4000T
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alexh wrote:
McVenco wrote:
Nope, they don't. A4000Ts had coin type batteries.
You sure?
Maybe I can shed a little light on this. I bought some A4000T's from SH last year, and they had to go through these Secret Squirrel negotations - apparently with the same source. If so, they are solid units with NO leaking batteries. I just took one apart for this post, and the motherboard says:
A4000T Rev. 4
and it has a working coin lihium battery. The sticker on the back of the case says:
Made in the USA
Amiga Technologies GmbH
FCC ID MK9A4000T
SN# 365317-19-00726
The 060 accelerator card, as HammerD noted, is the second smaller "desktop" version of the same board, named A4000-060 XP Rev. 2. I suspect these are the type still available.
These are primo machines, and I'd advise anyone interested to get one from redrumola while they can!
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Any news on these? If people are planning to ship a few to the UK, I'd like to add my name to that list!
Thanks,
Steve / TCM
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See this thread:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=38316
(Mods: Should this be closed now?)
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tonyyeb wrote:
See this thread:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=38316
(Mods: Should this be closed now?)
Sounds like a plan, locked.