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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Alternative Operating Systems => Topic started by: tonyyeb on September 04, 2008, 01:14:27 PM
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Hi all
I don't want this thread to be full of flames about MorphOS, i'm just looking for some facts.
After reading Piru's thread about the progress of porting MorphOS to a Mac Mini it got me more interested in MorphOS. But as I don't have the hardware to test (would love a Mac Mini but not fond of OSX) I would like reasons to / not to choose it.
* What is the level of Amiga OS3.1 support?
* Can it run WHDLoad style games? (be gentle with me here!)
* What is the Native application support like? (Office type, Web browser etc...)
* Is it quicker than say 3.1 on an unaccelerated A1200?
Thanks in advance!
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they are brainwashing you with morphos news all the time around here, so its no strange that you ask this question. i also read piru's thread, there was no release date. it was more like when its done, that means 5 years at least if we are going to get it at all. the minimac is already outdated by today's standard and they will be even more outdated when 5 years have gone. i can say this you can safely sit on your fence some more, just wait for november and see how the hyperion/amiga inc case goes. if that goes well you will actually have a os and hw to buy. if not sit on your fence some more :-)
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* What is the level of Amiga OS3.1 support?
It is OS3.1 API compatible
* Can it run WHDLoad style games? (be gentle with me here!)
No, that would require UAE because EFIKA, Pegasos or Mac Mini has no Amiga Custom chips for old games if they don't run on graphic card.
* What is the Native application support like? (Office type, Web browser etc...)
There is Papyrus, Sputnik and some other stuff like MUI4, CyberGraphX 5, Poseidon 4,...
* Is it quicker than say 3.1 on an unaccelerated A1200?
Compared to what hardware? EFIKA, Pegasos, Mac Mini?
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* What is the level of Amiga OS3.1 support?
Quite perfect.
Softwares like IBrowse, Directory Opus 4, AmiTradeCenter, Wordworth, Photogenics, TVPaint, Wipeout, etc. just work fine (and much faster than on a real 060/CGFX Amiga).
* Can it run WHDLoad style games? (be gentle with me here!)
Not directly, but e-uae works fine with it.
* What is the Native application support like? (Office type, Web browser etc...)
Showgirl (advanced picture viewer), Sputnik (browser), AmIRC (native version), AmiNetRadio (partially native), etc. lot of native application for most operations.
I don't know about AmigaOS 4, but MorphOS is just a great AmigaOS you can use for every day computing.
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just wait for november and see how the hyperion/amiga inc case goes. if that goes well you will actually have a os and hw to buy
Good one :lol:
Wait months to see if the courtcase is settled and get a chance to buy an expensive pocketcalculator(Sam)? Why not buy existing pocketcalculator (Efika) now and start enjoying the OS immediately.
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@a1260
At least the hardware on the mini is more reliable and powerful than the A1.
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* What is the level of Amiga OS3.1 support?
Very good with non hardware hitting programs. You can even run WB3.x instead of the Ambient, if you want to have classic Amiga setup instead of more advanced system :P
* Can it run WHDLoad style games? (be gentle with me here!)
Only if you run MorphOS on real Amiga where original chipsets are available. Otherwise old hw-hitting games must be ran with UAE. But newer gfx-card and AHI supporting Amiga games work usually just fine.
* What is the Native application support like? (Office type, Web browser etc...)
There's pretty good native application support on smaller apps, but with some application types you still need to use Amiga programs. In practise you can't see much difference are you running native application or Amiga application. For native web browsing there is Sputnik, which has modern engine... and Papyrus Office is native office kit, but I'm not sure about it's future development. I'd say one of the most important native application is mplayer. It's working very well and with good support. That's one thing real Amigas can't do.
* Is it quicker than say 3.1 on an unaccelerated A1200?
Uhm... How it couldn't be faster?-) If you run same app on A1200 or on MorphOS, there's just ridiculous big speed difference :) Only thing where classic Amiga can be faster is booting time, but that's when classic Amiga doesn't have any patches etc ran on startup. MorphOS itself boots in couple of seconds, but OpenFirmware things take some time in the beginning.
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@ tonyyeb
Well it was said several times already, but I like to repeat it, too.
MorphOS has a very high compatibility to many 68k Amiga applications. I even run some apps from the AmigaOS 1.x days.
But whenever a software hitsthe Amiga custom chipset directly it'll fail. For those apps there's UAE available.
Anyway, most apps I use are MorphOS native. The setup is much, much more powerful for everyday use than all WinUAE setups or 68k based Amigas.
The OS3.1 is limited, the cpu power of original 68k processors is ridiculous.
On the Pegasos MorphOS is blazing fast, on the Efika it is much more slow, mostly due to the slow ide interface (still faster than the C= Amiga hdd controllers).
Maybe you find http://via.i-networx.de/EN/bench_en.html useful, it's a brief speed and power consuption comparision between MorphOS, 68k AOS and WinUAE.
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some folks never drop the "red vs. blue" war. sigh.
MorphOS is an excellent OS. I'm selling my EFIKA due to lack of time/interest. Not just in MOS but in the Amiga in general, but thats a different story.
In my experience MorphOS runs great, even on my EFIKA. As for your "speed" question.. The EFIKA whips the "you know what" out of any Amiga (PPC even), just to give you an idea.
If you're not on the MOS mailing list, all seems quiet, but behind the scenes there's alot of debugging/work going on. Thats a great sign and shows the devotion the developers have to MOS. Piru's pic of MOS3 on the Mac Mini was just an example of how versatile the MOS Devel team is. MOS on Mac Mini will happen, its just a matter of time. You cant work on MOS2 and 3 at the same time you know. :-)
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I have bought and efika, and installed morphos 2.0.
It's really unesatable have no sound, even moving windows around can get you a frezze, the worst is to register a unfinished, inestable and soundless os you have to pay 130 euros including.
The old amiga 4000 i use everyday is much stable than morphos even using os 3.9 i don't have a ppc.
They even refuse to discount the VAT in a export.
I'm don't plan to register until i have sound and don't get more random freezes
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some folks never drop the "red vs. blue" war. sigh.
there's no reason to.
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morph is damn nice cant wait till the update.
negs- lockup no sound efika ram limitation sputnik eats it so does mame
pos+
1)Just about all apps without the native support
2) emulation I guess.
3)supports most aos applications
i run makecd, finalwriter mame, mplayer, vlc mame, sputnik,wookiechat, oh yea this!http://www.siniscope.com/
4) it's superfast!
I've been blue now for 2mnts and have adjusted well thank you very much from waiting 2more weeks!!
New toy, new software more fun!!
oh and mac mini port is much closer! :-D :-D
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weirdami wrote:
some folks never drop the "red vs. blue" war. sigh.
there's no reason to.
Why?
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I have bought and efika, and installed morphos 2.0.
It's really unesatable have no sound, even moving windows around can get you a frezze, the worst is to register a unfinished, inestable and soundless os you have to pay 130 euros including.
The old amiga 4000 i use everyday is much stable than morphos even using os 3.9 i don't have a ppc.
They even refuse to discount the VAT in a export.
I'm don't plan to register until i have sound and don't get more random freezes
thanks for saying it like it is. i didnt dare to say it my self because i was attacked earlier this month, by these morphos trolls that hang around here at a.org.
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I'ts seems that a lot of people is reality blind or something, ignoring this problems.
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Most of us are using Pegasos, so it's hard to see that particular problem. Take our talk for fully supported systems :) But I don't have any doubts it will be usable on Efika too when the update comes, but the deadline just came too early for it this time.
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thanks for saying it like it is. i didnt dare to say it my self because i was attacked earlier this month, by these morphos trolls that hang around here at a.org.
Umm isn't basicly everyone saying that the Efika version is currently unusable? Just wondering how someone here would have attacked you...
As it currently stands, there is no reason to get MOS now unless you have either PEG I or PEG II.
I have Efika waiting in my self for a possible memory upgrade and after that it will be waiting for MOS update :)
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I can see certain user trolling again. Nothing to see here, move along.
MorphOS Efika issues will be addressed.
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Piru wrote:
MorphOS Efika issues will be addressed.
Will be or are being looked at? I'd hate to have paid all that money for an OS that has issues that aren't being addressed as soon as they were informed about them.
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Why don't you wait for the update that way you don't have to pay for somthing that you can't use. Oh and to test out MOS you don't actually have to register it. It will just slow down after 30 mins or something like that.
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Painkiller wrote:
Oh and to test out MOS you don't actually have to register it. It will just slow down after 30 mins or something like that.
As stated in my first post - I don't have the hardware to test it. I'm not going to buy some hardware without testing the OS. And I cant test the OS without the hardware. I wanted opinions on was it worth the punt... from what i've got so far... no it isn't.
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@tonyyeb
Will be or are being looked at? I'd hate to have paid all that money for an OS that has issues that aren't being addressed as soon as they were informed about them.
Many of the issues have been fixed already. It typically takes some time to test and verify the fixes, however.
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Well for the short period of time that I used MOS 2 on my PEG II before I sold it. I'd say it was well worth it, but then again no "Amiga" type system can fully replace your current system. Too much is missing, Java and Flash support for browser to be exact and ofcourse Open Office would be a nice addition, but no Java = no OF etc.
I'm looking to build Efika as a modern retro Amiga experience once the promised update arrives. So that classic games would launch in emulator and everything else would be native. Atleast it will be that for me as long as Mac Mini port gets released. But if you actually get the hardware to run MOS and you don't like it, I don't think you have a hard time selling the hardware further. I have actually always made a little cash back on my "Amiga" investments :)
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@A1260
i didnt dare to say it my self because i was attacked earlier this month, by these morphos trolls that hang around here at a.org.
They'll came in the night to hunt you dowm. be afraid, be very afraid...
Serisously though, when one goes on against even the site own policy it's of no surprise you call everyone who disagree with your tainted view as troll..
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@ tonyyeb
I'd say if you have the chance to get a Pegasos, take that chance. A Pegasos with MorphOS is IMO the best "amigaish" system you can get.
Fast, stable, advanced, beautiful.
Anyway, if you like to tinker around, then get an Efika: It's a fun device - you can do nice things with, but it has its issues. The ide controller is slow, the RAM is limited, The usb is 1.1 and the cpu has no L2 cache. *But* if I hadn't one already, I would get one again.
MorphOS current public release has some issues on the Efika (on the Pegasos it is really stable, I have both maschines, the Peg and the Efika). But I am optimistic to see a bug fix release soon.
Indeed the Efika really may not be everyone's cup of tea and if you have concerns you may probably not get satisfied with it.
Best of course is to test it in real life.
My Efika got me some fun already and the EURs spent on MorphOS for it hurted that particular day, but was forgotten the next day already. It's a nice silent device from which for example I can tye amiga.org comments while lying comfortable in my bed...
If you don't like to/cannot spend some currency on exotic and dedicated hw, you'll either have to stick to AROS and/or UAE (which can be quite some fun too), or have to wait until MorphOS for the Mac Mini will be available.
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ok sorry for mis leading..it seems there may be an
issue burning! at least for me on efika.
:-(
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Painkiller wrote:
Well for the short period of time that I used MOS 2 on my PEG II before I sold it. I'd say it was well worth it, but then again no "Amiga" type system can fully replace your current system. Too much is missing, Java and Flash support for browser to be exact and ofcourse Open Office would be a nice addition, but no Java = no OF etc.
Whaat? Pegasos replaced my "current" system very well, thank you ;) Pegasos is now my main platform, which was earlier souped up A1200.
I haven't seen any real use for Java or Flash in browsers... mostly stupid games or ads. Actually I avoid installing them on PC's too when I have to use them. OpenOffice works fine without Java too, at least on Windows. For occasional needs for better browsers I can have Linux on my Peg.
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Will be or are being looked at? I'd hate to have paid all that money for an OS that has issues that aren't being addressed as soon as they were informed about them.
Now that the cat is out of the bag:
MorphOS 2.1 released (http://www.morphzone.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1540)
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A post like this prompts... (drumroll)
Targhan's crazy list of things you wouldn't want to run on your MorphOS system, but that still works! Indeed, a list to fear, because nobody in their right mind would actually use this software. In fact, it has even drawn a "How is that working, and where did you find it?" from O. Wagner... Two years ago...
1. Voyager 1.0 (yes, I found it. Amazingly it works.)
2. AMosaic 1.2
3. AMosaic 2.x (... dunno why I had two amosaiacs)
3. BlacksEditor
4. AMTalk
5. MetalWeb (for about 5 minutes, which is 2 minutes longer than on my A1200... This app was just horrid.)
6. WeatherExperience
Seriously, it's a very good, and fast, replacement for a classic system. However, much like both Amithlon and OS4, there is no custom AGA, OCS, or ECS chipsets--thus games will still require an emulator (euae). Methinks it goes with the territory.
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Piru wrote:
Will be or are being looked at? I'd hate to have paid all that money for an OS that has issues that aren't being addressed as soon as they were informed about them.
Now that the cat is out of the bag:
MorphOS 2.1 released (http://www.morphzone.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1540)
Piru, do you know if this (http://www.xpcgear.com/asusa9250.html) video card would be a good/best choice for MorphOS2.1 on the EFIKA?
I am ready to buy and build my own MorphOS computer now. :-D
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I'd go for Radeon 8500/9100 because it is better. And it appears that Asus 9250 card is 64bit -> slow.