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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: don27dog on August 28, 2008, 12:56:00 AM
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Will there be new hardware or will we still be stuck running outdated equipment? Are there any plans for new amiga hardware ???? What would be the chances of officially releasing os4.x for a Mac? Could it be possible to port os4.X to x86 architecture?
I truly believe we are at a point that Microsoft has pissed off enough people that there is a GOLDEN opportunity for Amiga to once again become mainstream.
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don27dog wrote:
Will there be new hardware or will we still be stuck running outdated equipment? Are there any plans for new amiga hardware ???? What would be the chances of officially releasing os4.x for a Mac? Could it be possible to port os4.X to x86 architecture?
I truly believe we are at a point that Microsoft has pissed off enough people that there is a GOLDEN opportunity for Amiga to once again become mainstream.
@don27dog
Very good questions. If you do a search on each of your questions I think you will find some very good information pertaining to each one. The answers are within past threads already discussed to some extent or another. :-D
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I dont know, but that drama is pretty cool reading material. :popcorn:
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Yea, I'm mostly here for the drama these days myself...
Good times! :-D
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What lawsuit? The one between Atari and Commodore? I thought that was old news!!
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@ Sim085
I take it your being funny ?
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Ah, the Atari Amiga, with squishy keyboard and funny shaped function keys!
Quite glad that didn't happen!!!
- Ali
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JJ wrote:
@ Sim085
I take it your being funny ?
Actually I am not. What I know of the Amiga history I know from wikipedia. From there I read that Amiga first had some agreement with Atari, then was bought by Commodore. The boss of Commodore left Commodore and bought Atari and took with him many people from Commodore. Commodore tried to block the next computer by Atari and Atari found the agreement it had with Amiga and therefore they took each other to court.
That is the only lawsuit I know of! Was there another?
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:lol: Imagine a lawsuit taking TWENTY years...
(They're referring to the lawsuit of Amiga vs. Hyperion concerning the rights to OS4.)
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If the outcome will be favourable to Hyperion, I believe OS4.1 will be quickly released for the Sam440. A finished and legal Moana loader will possibly surface, and if ACube is designing new motherboards OS4 might be released for those too.
Varthall
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I found a good article on this here:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071204-under-the-shadow-of-lawsuits-amiga-development-goes-on.html
From how some people are talking it seems that it is better for the lawsuit to be won by Hyperion. Although personally I believe it is hard unless Amiga Inc. filed for bankruptcy! (However I am no lawyer!)
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This is just a personal opinion and in no way I would want to offend the good people working at Amiga Inc. However I personally find it hard to see the 'Amiga' brand name related to software. For me an Amiga is hardware so I would expect Amiga Inc. to put more money on building computer and devices rather then just software... I could be wrong however!
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@ Sim085
Have you been living in a cave. I susgest you look up the fecking mess Amiga INC in its various forms has caused over the last 8 years, or whatever it is.
You seem to have missed everything Amiga related since way before they went bankrupt
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JJ wrote:
You seem to have missed everything Amiga related since way before they went bankrupt
Of course I did! I just found my A500+ a month ago and got back interested to the Amiga world again. I know different companies miserably tried to launch Amiga computers. What I meant was that the majority of Amiga stuff out there is Hardware based, so I personally find it hard to understand why Amiga Inc. is completely concentrated on the software aspect.
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@ sim085
They have nothing else but the name Amiga and a few bits of software to their credit ...
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@ Sim085
Sorry didnt mean to sound harsh. Thought you were being a bit dim on purpose.
Please accept my apologies. :-D
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No need for apologies :-)
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I myself recently dug out my old amiga after getting tired of Microsoft.. I believe there is a market...
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If (and it's a BIG if) the NatAmi (http://www.natami.net/) project steps up and becomes a reality then there could well be a vast market.
Hopefully when the dust finally settles after the lawsuit, we'll be the winners for a change.
All we can do, as consumers is sit back, wait and see ...
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There's a Future? Who new ? ? ? :-P
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before lawsuit... future ? non-existent.
after lawsuit... future ? non-existent.
heck... for the umpteenth time... Amiga's as they are now are fun and a great way to relive our youth.
Future ? woahaha :-)
Tom UK
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Zac67 wrote:
:lol: Imagine a lawsuit taking TWENTY years...
That usually happens in Brasil if you have a good lawyer
:-D
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i really cant believe that such a great os as aos (and lkes) cant find a nitche market for itself - as risc os does for example.
i was quite amazed when i visited some official risc os sites recently, how professional they are - and risc os has firefox for example (and office suite:)
i think some 10.000 active users should be enough for some small company to make a livin - dont need to go big.
there are plenty of users who are intrested only in classic hw/os, make new classic hw for them, minimig, natami like, or replacement mb's for old 1200/4000. amiga in a joystick!
for those who are intrested in modern amiga, make them a laptop (or any kind of portable device) and a macmini-like desktop (like the redone from relec).
it all could be done if all developments/rights were in one company's hand. but after all theres a - even small - market.
or am i being too naive?:)
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We feel the future could be grand.
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OS 4.3 to be released on A1's and Classic PPC's and a new (cheap) PPC only board released with matching PCIE equipped Mediators :-D
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Sam440 is out
OS4.1 is out
people keep working on all sorts of things......that's what really matters
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sim085 wrote:
This is just a personal opinion and in no way I would want to offend the good people working at Amiga Inc.
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Muahahahahahaha - that's really a good one, dude!
:-) :-D :lol: :laughing:
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New Amiga. :-D
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I'll bet it will have as much effect on the Amiga's future as it will on the unemployment line in West Chester.
<0
I'm always that optimistic at 5 am.
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@don27dog
I guess the amiga's future is as black as before starting the lawsuit :D
But if Hyperion wins at least we may see OS4 running on more hardware. Let's hope it's Mac Mini/iBook/PowerBook/G5, PSX3 and Sam440
Being an amigan today means having fun with your miggy and taking the max out of it, not wasting your time dreaming about amigas taking the world or OS4 on x86.
If OS4 ran on x86 it probably would miss compatibility with PPC and 680x0 code so it would be like AROS-x86. You can already run AROS-x86 so don't waste your time screaming for an x86 version.
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Is there any news to report of an ending of some sorts? I have been out of the loop for ages.
Googling is not helping much :-?
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I think there is room for optimism.
The Date for mediation is set for November 20. Another reality than the pitch black one may be here soon.
Alexc wrote this at AW
Sounds like a step in the right direction to me.
Like I've been saying since the case started, the only reasonable course of action is reaching some settlement and it looks like they're finally willing to do just that
Hopefully AInc will agree to let Hyperion handle all decisions pertaining to the OS design/marketing/hardware as they're in a better position to make the right calls, while in exchange AInc gets a decent per-copy and per-machine royalty for the use of their trademark.
That way everybody wins.
Noelfuller wrote this at AW
Quite! In my view each side wanted it all and thought they could get it all, now they know that that is not so. This is how I summed one set of possibilities, posted elsewhere:
1. The outcome of the two cases is sufficiently in question, and the
expenses sufficiently formidable that both sides may be motivated
to reach the settlement they should have achieved years ago.
2. For Hyperion the issues are unfettered development of OS4 and the
right to place it on whatever hardware they choose.
3. For Amiga Inc the issues are clear title to their Amiga IP and the
right to an income from it.
4. Given the record of Amiga Inc. it is unlikely that Hyperion will
be pleased with any agreement that leaves the management of
critical elements like hardware licensing for OS4.x in their
hands.
5. A successful outcome for all parties might consist of a contract
to replace the 2001 contract in which:
a. Amiga Inc is the acknowledged successor of Amino in the matter of Amiga IP
b. Amiga Inc receives hardware royalties off machines sold to run OS4.x, and royalties off sales of OS4.1+
c. Hyperion has the rights to Amiga OS4.x and the rights to use Amiga name and appropriate trademarks.
d. Hyperion has the right to licence hardware for it's OS subject to royalties as in b. above.
e. Each side makes no claim on the other with respect to legal costs to date.
Effectively this will restore the good faith understanding of the
original agreement and leave each side able to get on with their
business.
On the side is the matter of ownership of OS4.x IP relating to the
case brought against Hyperion in Brussels by Friedans et al for a
declaratory judgement on IP. That is not something the settlement
conference can deal with and any agreement must be independant of
the outcome. Perhaps the judgement in Brussels will be determined
prior to the settlement conference. That the conference will take
place in November has to do with the stated inability of Hyperion
to physically get to Seattle before then.
They may surprise us or sadden us or do much as set out here. If the main issues are agreed small matters will be easily sorted.