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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: trekiej on August 27, 2008, 02:40:26 AM

Title: OS 4.1 Specs
Post by: trekiej on August 27, 2008, 02:40:26 AM
Some say that the Amiga OS is behind the times. How do the new os4.1 specs. compare to say Win2000 or XP.

 :-)
Title: Re: OS 4.1 Specs
Post by: adz on August 27, 2008, 02:57:58 AM
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trekiej wrote:
Some say that the Amiga OS is behind the times. How do the new os4.1 specs. compare to say Win2000 or XP.

 :-)


Given that it is only availiable on outdated and no longer supported hardware, it doesn't compare in any way, shape, or form.
Title: Re: OS 4.1 Specs
Post by: yakumo9275 on August 27, 2008, 03:00:27 AM
is this rhetorical?

new os4.1 vs old win2k

what kind of comparison do you want.

let me ask you this, what makes os4.1 technically more advanced than win2k released 8 years ago? what makes it more advanced than nt4 released 12 years ago?
Title: Re: OS 4.1 Specs
Post by: trekiej on August 27, 2008, 03:06:32 AM
Do you think it is on par with those OSes?
Its features are not ahead of the others, at least not my knowledge.
Does it do everything the others do?
Title: Re: OS 4.1 Specs
Post by: Matt_H on August 27, 2008, 03:29:42 AM
The only "feature" the Amiga OSes lack is memory protection. All other shortcomings are just due to a need for application software.
Title: Re: OS 4.1 Specs
Post by: CodeSmith on August 27, 2008, 03:39:30 AM
On the plus side, OS4.1 has hardware compositing using the 3D hardware, that neither 2000 nor XP had (Vista was the first MS OS to do this).  On the minus side, OS4.1 lacks resource tracking and memory protection, which make Win2000 and XP a lot more stable than OS4.  I know this is going to be controversial, so I'll clarify: if you run a program with a bad pointer bug (common in programs written in asm, C and C++), in Windows the MMU will catch it and Windows will pop open one of those infamous "an application has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down" windows.  In OS4, a similar program will corrupt the state of some other random task (that could be anything, including a device driver), and if it crashes it will leave windows open and/or lock up Workbench requiring a reboot.  

I will say this: OS4.1 compares *very* favorably against Windows 95/98, but to do well against the NT based OSs we still need those two features.
Title: Re: OS 4.1 Specs
Post by: SamuraiCrow on August 27, 2008, 03:56:34 AM
That or run only managed code where, unfortunately, Microsoft is still ruling the roost.  What's more .NET and C# are actually well-done which is sometimes a surprise coming from Microsoft.

Time to study Oberon 2.
Title: Re: OS 4.1 Specs
Post by: Trev on August 27, 2008, 04:03:02 AM
The virtual machine hosting your managed code will eventually do all the things an operating system is supposed to do, e.g. Microsoft's .NET Micro Framework or Sun's Java ME.
Title: Re: OS 4.1 Specs
Post by: trekiej on August 27, 2008, 04:59:34 AM
Other than being PPC only, it sounds like OS 4.0 and 4.1 can do just about anything that any other OS can do as far as the user side is concerned ( Internet,Games,productivity,etc)
It does not sound like it would be good in a server environment, and that is up for interpretation.
 :-)
Title: Re: OS 4.1 Specs
Post by: Pyromania on August 27, 2008, 08:45:39 AM
OS 4.1 is awesome!
Title: Re: OS 4.1 Specs
Post by: zylesea on August 27, 2008, 09:39:12 AM
It's totally moot to compare Windows of any flavour with AOS/MorphOS point to point. The latter OSes are not designed to substitute Windows, but to offer something different.
AmigaOS and MorphOS are quite logic, simple fast and unsecure (by design i. e. no MP, no rights mangement), while most successful OSes are secure, blown, rather complicated (well Windows < Vista not really) and slow. That's it in a nutshell IMHO.

Title: Re: OS 4.1 Specs
Post by: cicero790 on August 27, 2008, 10:14:44 AM
I think its great that an Amiga OS is released in 2008. Amiga is hard to kill. Now all that is needed is some spanking new turbo charged cutting edge over the top supremo neutrino nuclear fueled hardware. The court case seem to be over soon and Amiga could be up on the road again from the detour in the desolate wastelands.

Ps. If Microsoft people were talking about windows like the Amiga enthusiasts sometimes talk about Amiga they would be shot by firing squad by the PR department. Ds  :-D