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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: jimmyboy on August 22, 2008, 02:49:30 AM
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Its nice to see that hardware is still being developed at any level wether it be large or small. But shouldnt we all stop buying from Elbox?
The reason i say this is cos i think its dam unfair they keep the shark ppc card on there to entice people to buy the mediator busboards. They dont give any kind of update to it working or if it will ever come out so its dam obvious its a scam.
I understand it would be hard, but its been on there so long they could of made it into a standard ppc style card and cut out the 680*0 chip. Isnt it about time they gave us an update on this or remove it from the website. We should start a petition on this imo and put these ghosts to rest.
Also whats happening with the coldfire project? Can anyone get a formal update out of them on any of these? Its no wonder why people have started there own projects like the natami.
Who would be up for starting a sticky thread petition? Hopefully get there attention.
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Count me out.
Driving any of the last Amiga hardware producers out of the market for whatever reason isn't a good idea.
I've bought a couple of their products during the last 12 months (and I'd buy a bloody Shark or Dragon if they were out), but we don't have a "right" to information. It's up to a decide whether they want to talk about their products or developments.
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Have you tried emailing them to ask them about removing those items?
I think that to stop buying from them would be a bit daft.
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We should start a petition
not those again :roll:
someone tell me any time an online petition ever mattered
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weirdami wrote:
We should start a petition
not those again :roll:
someone tell me any time an online petition ever mattered
Yeah, where's our Guru Book?
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No,we should be thankfull that we got Elbox.
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Yep, Elbo* products are crap, but are crap from one of the last three "big" Amiga suppliers we have.
Overpriced used Voodoo cards, re-flashed NEC USB card (then over-priced), vapourware and other complains...
Judge from yourselfs. I have a Mediator, it just do the job for me (a Voodoo3 and a NIC), but it stops me to use a Subway! And I don't agree to spend USD83 (plus S&H and local taxes), then beg Chris to sell me a license for Poseidon. E3B products are far superior, and IC too.
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@rkauer
how does the mediator prevent you from using the subway? I have the mediator, with a subway on my 1200!?
Chris is reasonable :-)
Elbox do not reply to sharkppc dragon ques...I tried! the adds will stay (for at least 2 more weeks!!)
ohh marketing strategies work well for them
mediator tx around the same time of 4.0 clssic release
yep..genious
but they are still in the game, it is what it is
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I have a Mediator, it just do the job for me (a Voodoo3 and a NIC), but it stops me to use a Subway!
Why? We have a lot of customers with SUBWAY and Mediators working together nicely, as many people prefer a real Amiga classic hardware solution which is supported in a good way by software. The flat ribbon cable of SUBWAY makes it possible to mount it below the bus board.
Where do you see a problem?
For whatever reasons Elbox has announced some time ago that they would manipulate their drivers to cease operation in the case of E3B hardware being present in the system, but they (AFAIK) have not dared to do so up to now (maybe because they finally understood that there are rules on the European market concerning fair business...).
Michael
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rkauer wrote:
Yep, Elbo* products are crap, ...
In your narrow mind perhaps...
:-P
rkauer wrote:
Overpriced used Voodoo cards,
You own fault, if you buy Voodoo cards there for an arm and an leg...
I got my Voodoo4 for 10€ from a colleague...
rkauer wrote:
re-flashed NEC USB card (then over-priced),
Agreed - but there were no other USB 2.0 "highspeed" solutions availyble at the time - and the Spider2 was still significantly less expensive than Zorro-USB-cards at that time.
rkauer wrote:
vapourware
Ostensibly they're still waiting for the final A1-Os4-version to become available on CD in the stores...
rkauer wrote:
and other complains...
No idea what you're referring to...
rkauer wrote:
Judge from yourselfs. I have a Mediator, it just do the job for me (a Voodoo3 and a NIC),
And why do you dare to call it "crap", if it does the job for ya?
:headwall:
rkauer wrote:
but it stops me to use a Subway! And I don't agree to spend USD83 (plus S&H and local taxes),
Ahhhh - now we come closer to the truth!
Just because YOU FEEL it stops you to use a Subway and just because YOU DON'T WANT "to spend USD83 (plus S&H and local taxes)" and ...
rkauer wrote:
then beg Chris to sell me a license for Poseidon.
...just because YOU DON'T WANT "to beg Chris to sell you a license for Poseidon" you dare to call all Elbox products "crap" - really a nice move!
rkauer wrote:
E3B products are far superior, and IC too.
Why don't you try to get an PCI-busboard from E3B then?
Persuade them to make one, if they don't have one in their portfolio!
:roll:
What do you mean with "IC" - here in Germany it is understood as abbrevation either for "InterCity[Express]" or "Integrated Circuit" - which of them do you mean?
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@zyphoid
Elbox do not reply to sharkppc dragon ques...I tried!
I sent a support request + some questions about SharkPPC and Dragon boards to Elbox on the 29th of July. I got a response on the 30th including answer regarding SharkPPC and Dragon.
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although i have my reservations about some elbox tactics and marketing practices, i have to applaud them for even releasing a fully functional PCI bus for a range of amigas.
and within the confines of the A1200 CPU connector. most A1200 accelerators can't understand external DMA, which is why the A1200 mediator has to do paging in the zorro2 address space. hence due to this, a shark will never ever happen.
i think the dragon hasn't been released due to compatability/speed problems.
not only that, but other products like the FastATA, and keeping these products and drivers uptodate! whats the fastATA upto these days, rev5?
although i am dubious of knobbleware built into elbox drivers, i cannot fault them for sticking it out in an ever shrinking market.
so i'd say thank you to
E3B/Chris Hodges
Indiviual Computers/Jens Schoenfeld
Elbox
and amigakit for making it all available. :-)
so to not buy from elbox due to some wishfull thinking, i see as akin to shooting yourself in the foot, by alienating one of the few companies supporting us right now. :-(
now, how about a DMA capable IDE Zorro2/3 card? :-D
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now, how about a DMA capable IDE Zorro2/3 card?
Just use Deneb with USB-to-SATA adaptor.
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oh yeah.... DOH! :lol:
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Rob wrote:
@zyphoid
Elbox do not reply to sharkppc dragon ques...I tried!
I sent a support request + some questions about SharkPPC and Dragon boards to Elbox on the 29th of July. I got a response on the 30th including answer regarding SharkPPC and Dragon.
@Rob
you knew this was coming..And what did it say!? :-D
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Rob wrote:
@zyphoid
Elbox do not reply to sharkppc dragon ques...I tried!
I sent a support request + some questions about SharkPPC and Dragon boards to Elbox on the 29th of July. I got a response on the 30th including answer regarding SharkPPC and Dragon.
Please do share then. My email about the Shark went unanswered. What was the response?
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Yea, stop buying everything. Than everybody will be doing something for you, for free and kiss you for good buy.
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You can't ask any questions to ELBOX, their sales mailbox is currently full....
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trip6 wrote:
You can't ask any questions to ELBOX, their sales mailbox is currently full....
Which just shows the huge interest in the Shark and Dragon! :-D
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I couldn't care less about SharkPPC anymore. I want to run next generation OS'es on completely new hardware instead of kludgy hacked up classic Amiga.
And my MediatorZIV on my a1200 does what it's supposed to do. I got cheap and fast graphics card to replace dog slow Zorro2 gfx-card I had earlier. I got cheap network card, which is way faster than any Zorro-NIC I've tried. And TV-card cheaply too. And I don't think my Spider2 was that expensive... OK, same hardware could be little cheaper from PC shop, but it was still much more affordable than any other USB solution for my Amiga. It didn't kill me to pay it when I aldready had Mediator setup. I'd probably be without any USB on my Amiga if it wouldn't be there.
I don't like Elbox's attitude always etc, but thing would be much worse with classic Amigas without them. And there's always been vapourware everywhere. Shouldn't you, as amigans, have already learnt that don't expect anything to really come until you actually hold it? There's hundreds of similar things which never appeared. Don't get too passionate until they're really selling. In any case Elbox has given more life for classic Amigas with real products and I really don't want them to quit, even if some things could change :) BTW. where would you buy PCI-bus nowadays if not from Elbox? I'm sure most of the people are wise enough not to buy it now just for the SharkPPC.
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Only reason why this kind of topic appear is that people are impatient. In "Amiga world" we need to wait, sometimes years.
I remember the time when Mediator was announced for the first time...
People were writing that photos submitted by Elbox to "painted pictures", the same was with FastATA...that this is not true etc. "Hellooooo" ;). Hands up who is using Mediator and FastATA? And can buy them TODAY.
Where is G-rex, Prometheus, Zorro II/III for A1200. A4000 are VERY rare and expensive. A1200 are everywhere even today.
BTW. Voodoo on Elbox web site is expensive (other PC stuff to). Go to Amigakit.com and see how "cheap" is it? Why?
Because you pay for your impatience and for this that this Voodoo from their shop will work 100% with Mediator. I bought on Ebay (Elbox support SHOWED me the auction with Voodoo!! yes it's true) for like $17.
I'm done. This topics are completely non productive. It's like a spam or trolling. No reply.
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i use the mediator 1200sx and a fast ata since they were first made :-)
and if it wasnt for elbox making them,then i would not have a fast ethernet card or a voodoo3 card or a sound card
nor would i be able to have dvd + cd+rw`s ata drives etc
so i applaude elbox for producing these products
to a limited market.
thats my 2ps worth
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Dandy wrote:
rkauer wrote:
vapourware
Ostensibly they're still waiting for the final A1-Os4-version to become available on CD in the stores...
Yeah right! Not. They announced something they could never deliver and fortunately the delays on AOS4 helped cover it up.
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twizzle wrote:
If it wasn't for Elbox I would not be able to have dvd + cd+rw`s ata drives etc
Eh? DVD and CD-RW works without Elbox products.
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@alexh
of course they work :-D
i like elbox products :-)
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Stop buying from ELBOX ! ? ! ?
NO! :-P
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Stopping buying is not much of an encouragement to a company to continue working for a certain niche in the market. Sure, we all (well, most of us I guess) would have loved to be able to buy a new PPC board to enable the Amiga to run OS4.x and quite a number would have loved to be able to buy a quick 68k accelerator board... And yes, there have been promises like 'next summer' 'next winter' or 'next x-mass' goods will be available, and many summers, winters, x-masses have passed, it still is a weird 'option' to decide to buy nothing at all just to 'punish' them.
So if you're in need of a product that IS available from Elbox then I don't see why one should not buy that product.
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I don't think stopping buying from Elbox would exactly encourage them to relase new products, do you?
To (mis)quote a famous American comdian, "That's the most ridiculous thing I ever heard".
Granted, their customer liaison is not the best, but they ship products quickly and they do exactly what it says on the tin.
It's also a cost effective (for Amiga anyway) way to get decent graphics from amiga. Have you seen true colour photos on Workbench?
Write to tehm and complain, by all means. But to raise a petition for everyone to stop buying? Don't hold your breath!
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Sorry but i disagree with the tease and promise marketing solution. So many times has the shark/sonnet ppc card been discussed and argued due to it sitting on there site. I could understand it a bit if they had lots of competition but not when they own the market pretty much, there is just no need for it. There other products are fine i agree.
Now im off to put out adverts for a cure for HIV in 2010 if you buy asprin today.............bad example but you get me?
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@Nlandas
I sent a support request + some questions about SharkPPC and Dragon boards to Elbox on the 29th of July. I got a response on the 30th including answer regarding SharkPPC and Dragon.
Rob napisa_(a):
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> Hello,
Hello,
> I have Mediator PCI and Fast ATA controller installed in my A1200T and
> now plan to get one of Jens Schoenfelds new scandoublers.
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> According to Jens the Fast ATA controller will probably fit in with the
> scandoubler if you use extra ROM sockets to raise the main section of
> the Fast ATA .
> Can you tell me if the Mediator will fit over the Fast ATA if it has
> been raised with extra sockets?
No. It is rather impossible.
> I also have a few questions and ideas regarding future Elbox products.
> 1. Is there any possibility that the Dragon could be sold with a CPU
> card that has an 040/060 socket instead of the Coldfire CPU. That way
> users could use the CPU from their old Blizzard or Apollo card and have
> the benefit of DMA between the system RAM and the PCI bus.
There is no sense to still use 68040 or 60 processor in the Dragon
system. The Coldfire processor, which will be installed in the production
version of the Dragon board will be much faster than 68060.
> 2 Is there any news on the SharkPPC.
We do our best to release Shark boards this year.
> 3 Does Elbox have any plan to make a new Amiga using the the Minimig
> core or licence cores such as Natami or Clone A cores.
> If you can get the SharkPPC with OS4 on sale a Classic Amiga card could
> fit to the Mediator or Dragon where the A1200 would normally connect.
> That way users could have a brand new OS4 capable Amiga hardware
> without an additional hardware contract.
Running OS4 for Classic on any system, which does not contain the Amiga
classic motherboard is afaik not covered by the license agreement between
Hyperion and Amiga Inc.
> I look forward to hearing from you and hope that you find some of my
> ideas usefull.
Thank you very much for sharing us your ideal. We really appreciate this.
Best regards,
Support Department of ELBOX COMPUTER
Web site: http://www.elbox.com
Online Store: http://buy.elbox.com
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> Regards,
>
> Rob
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jimmyboy wrote:
Its nice to see that hardware is still being developed at any level wether it be large or small. But shouldnt we all stop buying from Elbox?
The reason i say this is cos i think its dam unfair they keep the shark ppc card on there to entice people to buy the mediator busboards. They dont give any kind of update to it working or if it will ever come out so its dam obvious its a scam.
I understand it would be hard, but its been on there so long they could of made it into a standard ppc style card and cut out the 680*0 chip. Isnt it about time they gave us an update on this or remove it from the website. We should start a petition on this imo and put these ghosts to rest.
Also whats happening with the coldfire project? Can anyone get a formal update out of them on any of these? Its no wonder why people have started there own projects like the natami.
Who would be up for starting a sticky thread petition? Hopefully get there attention.
Is it really a good idea to kill one of the very last amiuga hardware companies? Elbox has made alot of decent hardware throughout the years. The SharkPPC was aimed for OS4, so what is the point in releasing it without a license/OS4 port? I wonder more about why they havent released the dragon.
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Rob wrote:
@Nlandas
I sent a support request + some questions about SharkPPC and Dragon boards to Elbox on the 29th of July. I got a response on the 30th including answer regarding SharkPPC and Dragon.
Rob napisa_(a):
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> Hello,
Hello,
...
Running OS4 for Classic on any system, which does not contain the Amiga classic motherboard is afaik not covered by the license agreement between Hyperion and Amiga Inc.
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Well, thing simply is that I don't have any "license agreement" - neither with AInc, nor with Hyperion.
I legally bought the OS and I'll run it on every hardware where it is able to run on.
Who is going to check on which hardware I'm going to run the OS on?
Even Microsoft didn't mind me running MS-DOS or later Win3.1 on Amiga hardware...
EDIT:
AInc. claim to be a "software company" - and as such they should be interested in getting "their" software running on as much hardware as possible...
Not my fault, if they don't really care...