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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: quarkx on August 05, 2008, 04:41:26 AM
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Hi, all,
Newbee question, but I am looking at the CDTV and I think it was rather a cool concept. But is it worth really hunting one down and playing with it or is it just a "rarity" for the collection? I know there were some units released here in Canada, but is it really worth the time (and money) to track one down?
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The CDTV is an A500 without keyboard and mouse, nothing hard to track.
Go for it, if you want a nice black A500 in a video-cassette shape with a remote control instead the joystick.
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quarkx wrote:
Hi, all,
Newbee question, but I am looking at the CDTV and I think it was rather a cool concept. But is it worth really hunting one down and playing with it or is it just a "rarity" for the collection? I know there were some units released here in Canada, but is it really worth the time (and money) to track one down?
Not exactly Commodore's best idea, one for the collector. If you’re after a CD based retro games machine to actually use, go for a CD32 instead. :-D
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Oliver Hannaford-Day has nice site packed with information on the CDTV here. (http://www.cdtv.org.uk/index.html)
If do get a CDTV and want more memory then Elbox sell 2MB and 8MB upgrades, they aren't cheap though.
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NovaCoder wrote:
quarkx wrote:
Hi, all,
Newbee question, but I am looking at the CDTV and I think it was rather a cool concept. But is it worth really hunting one down and playing with it or is it just a "rarity" for the collection? I know there were some units released here in Canada, but is it really worth the time (and money) to track one down?
Not exactly Commodore's best idea, one for the collector. If you’re after a CD based retro games machine to actually use, go for a CD32 instead. :-D
Well, since I am a collector, I guess that is why the CDTV looks so good to me. It was another Amiga idea way ahead of its time, and might have been much better received if it had been marketed better and had slightly better features than a stock A500/A1000. It is definitely the best looking Amiga to have in the Living Room next to the rest of your Stereo and Video equipment. As far as looks are concerned, it is way better than the CD32 which looks like a toy console in comparison, but you are right that the CD32 is much better choice for running more Amiga software.
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Hello All,
Well I have place one under my monitor for my A4000T, it keeps great time. Thanks in advance, Merv Stent :roll:
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If you can get a Keyboard, mouse and external floppy drive then yes its worth getting.
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amigadave wrote:
Well, since I am a collector,
Get it.
AFAIK it's the first CD based console, and it's a very nice idea how they set it up; the designers made a bare console which could be upgraded to a full computer, something console makers only recently adapted. (and also the joypad is very nice, it's efficient with batteries and you can play the games very nicely - also considering it has a second button!)
It's only a pity I can't find a harddisk for it :-S
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Does the CDTV have an inbuilt SCSI controller or what type of interface is used in it?
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I thin the SCSI controller is an expansion.
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Hello All,
No the CDRom is not SCSI like the CD32 it has it's own non standard custom interface. It was a SCSI interface that pluged
into the expansion slot made by a third Party company. Thanks Merv Stent :roll:
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Make sure that you get an interface that allows you to hook up regular 9-pin Amiga joysticks to the CDTV if you plan on playing games. The included remote is not really suitable for most games in my experience. Unfortunately these joystick/mouse interfaces are pretty rare...
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there are plans for building such interface on aminet, but they require opening the case and getting signals from chip. factory solution uses connector.
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This all stems from the fact, if I can find one here in Canada. I really don't want to end up with a PAL system from the UK so I will just concentrate on finding one locally. The CD32 is much easier to get here- believe it or not, but without the expansions- like the sx etc, it makes it pretty much just a novelty in my eyes. The "Pro" system of the CDTV gives you pretty much everything for a full system.
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Protek wrote:
Does the CDTV have an inbuilt SCSI controller or what type of interface is used in it?
AFAIK it uses some custom interface...
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@Speelgoedmannetje
You could get an ICD ADIDE40/44. As far as I know, that should give you hd capabilities without too much hassle.
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yeah its as expandable as an A500, but without the side expansion slot, so options are limited... IIRC, you can upgrade the 1.3rom to 3.1rom, as the base cdtv and cdrom code is held in a seperate rom. pretty cool being able to have a cdrom without having to load drivers :)
the cd drive is a custom mitsumi(?) interface, so no direct IDE or SCSI to play with without expansion cards... as always, its a giggle to have a play...
enjoy your new plaything :)
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foleyjo wrote:
If you can get a Keyboard, mouse and external floppy drive then yes its worth getting.
I just recently got the last piece to complete my CDTV, a black CDTV keyboard, thank you Ray from Hawaii.
My black mouse is not an original CDTV mouse, it is the Amiga Technologies mouse that I am not real fond of as I don't think it works as well as it should, and certainly not as well as a Wizard 3 button 560dpi, or AlfaData optical mouse. I also have an "Air Mouse" for the Amiga that I could try with the CDTV that is black. It works via infrared, but has its own infrared receiver so it can work with any Amiga.
A member here programmed for me an updated version of the two special CDTV ROMs that I believe contain the CD-ROM controller code as well as some other things, so I now have the latest version.
So, all in all, I am quite happy with my CDTV, but I think I will try to upgrade it a bit further with the installation of an AdIDE hard drive controller, DKB MegaChip 2mb RAM expansion, and a Kickstart ROM switch from an unknown manufacturer with either the 1.3 & 2.05 ROMs, or 1.3 & 3.1 ROMs.
That should make it a very versatile Amiga gamer except for AGA games, which will have to be played on my A1200, A4000 or CD32. I don't know about options to use regular joysticks on the CDTV. That would be the only other thing I might be interested in doing to it, or I may just leave it like it is now and enjoy it for what it is. I have other Amigas that can fulfill the hard drive and multiple Kickstart ROM options.
So obviously my vote would be for any Amiga enthusiast to get a CDTV. The wireless infrared remote controllers are unique to this model Amiga and kind of cool.
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I just recently got the last piece to complete my CDTV, a black CDTV keyboard, thank you Ray from Hawaii.
My black mouse is not an original CDTV mouse, it is the Amiga Technologies mouse that I am not real fond of as I don't think it works as well as it should, and certainly not as well as a Wizard 3 button 560dpi, or AlfaData optical mouse. I also have an "Air Mouse" for the Amiga that I could try with the CDTV that is black. It works via infrared, but has its own infrared receiver so it can work with any Amiga.
A member here programmed for me an updated version of the two special CDTV ROMs that I believe contain the CD-ROM controller code as well as some other things, so I now have the latest version.
So, all in all, I am quite happy with my CDTV, but I think I will try to upgrade it a bit further with the installation of an AdIDE hard drive controller, DKB MegaChip 2mb RAM expansion, and a Kickstart ROM switch from an unknown manufacturer with either the 1.3 & 2.05 ROMs, or 1.3 & 3.1 ROMs.
That should make it a very versatile Amiga gamer except for AGA games, which will have to be played on my A1200, A4000 or CD32. I don't know about options to use regular joysticks on the CDTV. That would be the only other thing I might be interested in doing to it, or I may just leave it like it is now and enjoy it for what it is. I have other Amigas that can fulfill the hard drive and multiple Kickstart ROM options.
So obviously my vote would be for any Amiga enthusiast to get a CDTV. The wireless infrared remote controllers are unique to this model Amiga and kind of cool.[/quote]
Sounds like a sweet system indeed. Looks like the only things you are missing are the original Commodore scsi Adapter, Hard drive and Black Monitor, but those are not really needed with an Adide adapter. I just think it would look so cool set up, If I got one, I might experiment some way of replacing the CD with A DVD though, I know, I am Dreaming, but upgrading to a DVD (and being able to View it) would really put some life back into it.
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I just remembered that I also have a CSA MegaMidget Racer 030/68882 CPU/FPU accelerator w/32mb RAM that I might be able to fit inside the CDTV. That might be pushing my luck though and overheat and fry my CDTV.
I wonder how far any other users have pushed their CDTVs?
Your DVD idea is interesting and would be a great addition, but I can't imagine how you would get it to work without an accelerator. Playback of DVD movies would require more computing power than the stock CDTV can provide, or did you only want to have access to DVD data discs?
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No, I though of just having DVD movie playback, and bringing the CDTV up to date on the original Idea of it, the access to the data disks, would be a nice side benifate though.
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I don't know about options to use regular joysticks on the CDTV. That would be the only other thing I might be interested in doing to it, or I may just leave it like it is now and enjoy it for what it is.
Here's a picture of one of those joystick adapters for the CDTV.
Link (http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=1836)
I got this one fairly cheap, but unfortunately it only works for one joystick. The second interface doesn't react that well. IIRC joystick left and right movements are not registered. Sucks, because I really like playing old school two-player games when I have friends over and the CDTV is perfect as a living room Amiga.
There was a similiar interface up on eBay recently but it went for an absurd price. 50 euros or more I think.
But you're right. The CDTV, despite its failure and quirkiness (or perhaps because of it), is a wonderful piece of Amiga history!
:-)
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My CDTV and CD32 have theis own places in my living room, but I mostly use the CD32 ;-)
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My CDTV and CD32 have their own places in my living room, but I mostly use the CD32 ;-)
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Has anyone ever tried to mount the CD32 motherboard inside a CDTV, or would the custom 1x CD-Rom interface be prohibitive?
On a similar note, assuming the DVD-Rom drive could be replaced, and that it was hooked up to a CD32 with the FMV add-on, would DVD movie playback be possible?
I'm just curious...
Cheers,
James
x
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cpfuture wrote:
I don't know about options to use regular joysticks on the CDTV. That would be the only other thing I might be interested in doing to it, or I may just leave it like it is now and enjoy it for what it is.
Here's a picture of one of those joystick adapters for the CDTV.
Link (http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=1836)
I got this one fairly cheap, but unfortunately it only works for one joystick. The second interface doesn't react that well. IIRC joystick left and right movements are not registered. Sucks, because I really like playing old school two-player games when I have friends over and the CDTV is perfect as a living room Amiga.
There was a similiar interface up on eBay recently but it went for an absurd price. 50 euros or more I think.
But you're right. The CDTV, despite its failure and quirkiness (or perhaps because of it), is a wonderful piece of Amiga history!
:-)
Thanks for the link to the joystick adapter. I wonder how hard it would be to duplicate one of those adapters? I will have to look on Aminet to see if anyone has come up with a home-built version for the CDTV.
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Yes, they are very cool. It's where the idea for PlayStations & Xboxes came from.
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@ AmigaDave
I've read that the CDTV and the A570 coupled with an A500 were virtually the same. I had great dreams of expanding my A570 system. It works well with Supra's RX500 fast ram expansion and with 2 megs of chip on the 500 motherboard. It also works great with SCSI-TV by Amitrix Development (the same SCSI interface add-on for the CDTV).
I could never get it to work reliably with any accelerator. I tried mTec's 020, ICD's Adspeed, and Supra's Turbo 28Mhz. The Addspeed appeared to work for a week but then destroyed the A570. Commodore replaced it under warranty. When the second A570 began displaying the same symptoms, I popped the Addspeed out. It seems that the special CD interface and rom are sensitive to CPU timing signals.
If you try the MegaMidget, be cautious.
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Well the cdtv is the coolest looking piece of hardware ever put together.
And from a gaming perspective the Cdtv verison of Xenon 2 is a must have for that computer. But i have to agree with a previous post here get one with 9 pin connections the wireless controller isnt always good for games in fact mine was very annoying at times.
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jmbattle wrote:
Has anyone ever tried to mount the CD32 motherboard inside a CDTV, or would the custom 1x CD-Rom interface be prohibitive?
What would you connect to the LCD, buttons etc? I agree that the CDTV case is nicer than the CD32 one.. but a heart transplant is not going to be easy / practical.
jmbattle wrote:
On a similar note, assuming the DVD-Rom drive could be replaced, and that it was hooked up to a CD32 with the FMV add-on, would DVD movie playback be possible?
No. It's an MPEG1 decoder and DVD's are MPEG2.
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Found a great site for the CDTV here (http://l8r.net/technical/cdtv-technical.html).
With all this discussion about the CDTV, it motivated me to take mine apart to install the updated custom extended ROM chips that I received a few weeks ago, a Kickstart ROM switcher, and DKB Megachip. I need to dig out my AdIDE as well and install it with a 2.5" hdd before I close the CDTV up again.
I seem to have found a problem when I opened up my CDTV. The extended ROMs are soldered to an inverted pcb that is then inserted into the CDTV mobo with pins going into not only the two extended ROM sockets, but also a socket that connect to the 10 pins of CN29. To upgrade I could try to just install the upgraded extended ROMs into the mobo sockets located at U34 & U35, but I am concerned that all the circuitry on the extra pcb which originally contains the extended ROMs must be there for some reason and therefore must be needed. My other option is to desolder the original extended ROMs and solder the upgraded extended ROMs into the original extra pcb. Does anyone know anything about this extra pcb with the extended ROMs for the revision 2.2 CDTV mobo?
I have taken a few pictures, but a recurring problem with my card reader in my PC prevents me from uploading them at this moment.
Edit: Thanks again to "Jeff" for programming the updated EPROM extended ROMs for me.
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It sounds like you might have the developers Flash board installed. Check this page out about half way down for the Flash Update software.
[/quote]CDTV Information Page (http://www.cdtv.org.uk/1515.html)
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Although I could not find a picture of the developers Flash
Board, I think you might be right.
I have installed the EPROMS you sent me and my DKB MegaChip
and all is working fine. I found a CDTV compilation CD
that showed me that I now have 2mb of RAM and the start-up
screen is now showing 2.7 in the bottom left corner instead
of 0.1 which was shown before. Kickstart is currently v34.5.
I think that equates to v1.3.3, but I am not sure.
The developers flash board is removed, but I will keep it
in case I need to use it in the future for another flash
update if anything beyond version 2.7 is found or created.
I am very surprised to find it in my dented CDTV that does
not seem to have any other special additions to it.
I guess I will install the Kickstart ROM switcher next, but
the clip with the wire running to the DKB MegaChip from pin
36 of the Gary chip runs right over the Kickstart ROM and
the wire is not long enough to go around it.
Edit: The Kickstart ROM switch covers the area that the Flash Memory card that holds the original PROMs on it, so I will not be able to use both at the same time, but since the EPROMs you Jeff sent me are working well, I won't need the Flash Memory card right now. I could not get the CDTV to start up when switched to the 2.05KSROM, but I am off to the other room to retrieve the floppy drive and my WB2.1 disk to see if it boots okay and to also see if the CDROM will show up on the WB when running OS2.1 from floppy.
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Someone here sold me a bad KS 2.05 ROM, because when I replaced it with another known good 2.05 KSROM my CDTV boots okay from the CD-ROM and the Floppy Drive.
Oh well, at least it is working now with my KSROM and the switcher and I have the option of both OS1.3 or OS2.1.
Now I will have to find that AdIDE and see if I can get it to boot from a hard drive. The info page I found on the Net said that it probably would not and that it might not be able to use the CD-ROM drive with the AdIDE installed, but I am pretty sure I have read about other Amiga users booting their CDTV's from a hdd.
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amigadave wrote:
Now I will have to find that AdIDE and see ...
The problem I see stacking items on top of the CPU socket is the clearance to the top cover; anybody know what the limits are? I don't want to cut a hole in the top of the case, so I've wondered if I could make an expansion to lift it a bit. There was something like this, a new top case half for the A4000D, to allow all the Toaster/Flyer gear to fit inside.
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hardlink wrote:
The problem I see stacking items on top of the CPU socket is the clearance to the top cover; anybody know what the limits are? I don't want to cut a hole in the top of the case, so I've wondered if I could make an expansion to lift it a bit. There was something like this, a new top case half for the A4000D, to allow all the Toaster/Flyer gear to fit inside.
There is very little room to stack above the 68000. Even the Kickstart ROM switcher has maxed out the height inside and will be right up against the top of the case cover when it is closed up again. My Derringer 030/50MHz will not come close to fitting under the case and I am not going to cut it, or run with the top off.
I might try a 68010, or AdSpeed w/14MHz 68000, but there are reports that the AdSpeed does not work with the onboard CD-ROM drive.
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Hi,
There is a SCSI drive header inside the CDTV for installing a hard drive.
see http://www.cnctechniker.de/amiga.html
but the maker of the SCSI connectors site says
Leider ist keine CDTV Hardware mehr lieferbar - eventuell nächstes Jahr...
Sorry, all CDTV Hardware is sold out - perhaps next year...
Regards, Michael
aka rockape
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I had one for a while, for novelty only.
The 1.3 and only 1Mb lets it down otherwise it would have been quite good.
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rockape wrote:
Hi,
There is a SCSI drive header inside the CDTV for installing a hard drive.
see http://www.cnctechniker.de/amiga.html
but the maker of the SCSI connectors site says
Leider ist keine CDTV Hardware mehr lieferbar - eventuell nächstes Jahr...
Sorry, all CDTV Hardware is sold out - perhaps next year...
Regards, Michael
aka rockape
It would be great if I could connect to the internal SCSI controller to add a hard drive, but it is probably very hard to find a slimline 2.5" SCSI hdd. I think trying to fit the AdIDE inside is my best bet. Now if only I could find it.
@HooperJF,
I have 2mb RAM and AmigaOS 2.1 working plus the Kickstart is switched, so I can go back to OS 1.3 at any time.
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Got my card reader working again, so I uploaded a couple pics of the CDTV Flash Memory Rev A card that was installed inside my CDTV before I replaced it with the upgraded extended KS ROMs that Jeff programmed for me.
They should be visible in a day or two in the CDTV section of the A.org photos.
If anyone is interested in buying it, I am thinking of selling. I can send you the pics via email.
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@Dave
PM Sent about the Flash board
-Jeff