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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Darrin on August 02, 2008, 10:18:31 PM
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Here's a little something to share with everybody, I've got my A4000D surfing the net using the Deneb USB card, OS3.9 and an off-the-shelf PC USB Ethernet device.
Here's the USB Ethernet device I bought for $19.99:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=443248&CatId=589
I plugged it into the Deneb which immediately detected it and mounted it as USBASIXETH.DEVICE unit 0.
Save your USB settings.
Now configure Genesis using the wizard"
Select "Network" for how you plan to connect.
For device enter "usbasixeth.device" and set unit as "0"
Under SANA II configuration select "no"
Don't worry about it not detecting your network address, just manually enter your own (my home network assigns 192.168.0.xxx so I used 192.168.0.110).
Enter your subnet mask (probably 255.255.255.0) and your router address (in my case 192.168.0.1)
Enter your Domain Name Server (DNS) - 192.168.0.1 in my case
Enter your Domain Name ("cablerocket.net" in my case).
Reboot your Amiga and check your Trident prefs and you should see your ethernet adapter up and running. Check Genesis and put the USBASIXETH0 device online if it isn't already. Open your web browser and start surfing!
I hope this helps. :-)
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OK, I had to make a post from my Amiga using AWeb IISE as I did the announcement from a PC.
A quick question, what is the best web browser to use on the classic Amiga today?
Aweb makes me constantly "OK" each cookie (I can't disable it in the prefs which may be a feature of the SE) and the screen is refreshed each time a new graphic is loaded (for example, to make this post the screen had to refresh once for EACH message icon!).
Cheers.
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I would say Ibrowse is the best for AmigaOS 3.x
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I use IBrowse 2.3, it works great for me :-)
I also want Deneb USB :bigcry:
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Cheers guys. I guess it's time to check the net for Ibrowse. Is it free or does it need to be registered (can it be registered?)?
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taunusand wrote:
I also want Deneb USB :bigcry:
I don't blame you. It really opens up the expansion possibilities of a big box Amiga.
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Get IBrowse 2.4 here (http://www.ibrowse-dev.net/)
But, that is the unregistered version..
Read more at the homepage.
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thats great!
as soon as you get some free time, could you try some speed test via FTP or such, between 2 systems onto your LAN?
Thanks!
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taunusand wrote:
Get IBrowse 2.4 here (http://www.ibrowse-dev.net/)
But, that is the unregistered version..
Read more at the homepage.
Cheers. I've downloaded it and I'll give it a whirl later.
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Framiga wrote:
thats great!
as soon as you get some free time, could you try some speed test via FTP or such, between 2 systems onto your LAN?
Thanks!
Sure. I'll find a big file and download it on a PC and the A4000 and compare the times.
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Makes me think about selling my X-Surf and getting a Deneb + USB Ethernet. I wonder what an X-Surf wold go for...
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moto
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@moto
We have the DENEB USB (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=795) + Ethernet USB here - you are welcome to borrow one to test
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motorollin wrote:
Makes me think about selling my X-Surf and getting a Deneb + USB Ethernet. I wonder what an X-Surf wold go for...
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moto
It would certainly be worthwhile. The ability to still surf AND have USB is a great bonus.
So far everything I've connected to the Deneb has worked:
USB CD ROM (iOmega)
USB DVD+RW (HP model)
USB 3.5" Floppy
USB Ethernet
Memory sticks (Lexar & Sandisk)
2.5"/3.5" IDE/SATA to USB adapter
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OK, a rough test to comapre download speeds against my PC on the same network.
I wend to oldversion.com and selected a 6.2MB Firefox download.
Both the PC and Amiga are connected to my cable network via a wireless router, but using cables to the ports and not using a wireless connection.
The PC is an eMachine T6420 Athlon 64 3400+ and is using the onboard nVidia nForce Networking Controller 10/100. IE used.
The Amiga is an A4000 68040 25MHz using the Trendnet USB2.0 device connected to the Deneb with Genesis. AWeb II used.
6500352 Bytes
Amiga: 1min 39sec
PC: 21 secs
Now, if anyone has an X-Surf or similar and would like to repeat the test...
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I think my internet is slow tonight :-?
Anyway..
Amiga 4000 060/50Mhz 2+16+128mb ram, mediator with 10/100 netcard and Voodoo 3000..
PC: AMD Sempron 2600+ 1,6Ghz with 512mb ram, onboard graphics card and onboard 10/100 netcard..
I can't tell much about my PC, it's just a cheap office pc.. I did not have a nice A4000 system when I bought it in 2006.
I just had standard A500/600/1200 machines back then :-P
I tried to download the same Firefox that you did.
Amiga: 2min 8sec
PC: 1min 41sec
Then I tried VICE-AROS64-2.0.tar.gz from aminet, 6,3MB..
Amiga: 43sec
PC: 49sec
This was a nice expirence for me :-D
But anyway, I usaly download with about 200kb/s, but it was slower than normal tonight :-?
Both computers are connected to the same switch.
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I just tried that VICE-AROS file from Aminet.
Amiga: 2 min 35 sec
PC: 27 sec
Big difference!
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It was nice for me to find out that my Amiga's download time is about just as fast to my "new(ish?)" PC :-)
Maybe there are a limited kb/s on USB?
I don't know...
I apologice for my bad english, I think there are some errors in what I wrote above. :-P
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taunusand wrote:
It was nice for me to find out that my Amiga's download time is about just as fast to my "new(ish?)" PC :-)
Maybe there are a limited kb/s on USB?
I don't know...
I apologice for my bad english, I think there are some errors in what I wrote above. :-P
Your English is great. :-)
Yes, it might be a USB limit. I really should yank the USB device out of the Amiga and use it on the PC for testing, but the cable is attached to the internal USB port on the Deneb and I'll have to take the A4000 apart again in order to reattach it.
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Great thread!
Please do take the time to pull your machine appart to do that test. This is proving very informative and is making me think about the USB option for connecting the AMIGA to the net
Could you use a wireless network adaptor with the DENEB?
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RMK305 wrote:
Great thread!
Please do take the time to pull your machine appart to do that test. This is proving very informative and is making me think about the USB option for connecting the AMIGA to the net
Could you use a wireless network adaptor with the DENEB?
OK, I pulled the device from the A4000 and plugged it into the PC. It asked for the install disk, loaded teh driver, told me there was a problem and then refused to recognise the device. I rebooted and reinserted the device and it refused to even light up.
I plugged it into my Vista laptop which accepted it with no need for the driver CD and did the test from there.
download times on PC using USB Ethernet adapter:
Firefox: 22 secs
Vice-AROS: 27 secs
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Could you use a wireless network adaptor with the DENEB?
Nope. No drivers, unfortunately.
You could plug a wired adapter into a bridge, though. That's what I'm doing.
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I tried to download the same Firefox that you did, again.
Amiga: 1min 46sec
PC: 1min 13sec
I wonder why it is faster than yesterday :-?
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taunusand wrote:
I tried to download the same Firefox that you did, again.
Amiga: 1min 46sec
PC: 1min 13sec
I wonder why it is faster than yesterday :-?
These sort of tests are always a bit dodgy. My cable modem has a habbit of disconnecting several times a day and I can notice speed increases and decreases all the time.
Perhaps pinging the Amiga from the PC with a set amount of data and seeing what the response time is would be a better guide to how well the USB Ethernet is performing on the Deneb?
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Darrin wrote:
Perhaps pinging the Amiga from the PC with a set amount of data and seeing what the response time is would be a better guide to how well the USB Ethernet is performing on the Deneb?
How would you do that? My networking skills are not that good ;-)
Anyway, my internet should be 2048/512kbit. Normally it's faster, but not the last few days!
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thanks for testing Darrin! not a good result unfortunately :-(
Try to load IBrowse 2.4 and look in the "Download manager" window, the actual speed (cps)
Do the same from Opera
Thanks
edit- your using Genesis IIRC?
Goto GenesisPrefs > Advanced and set the send/receive buffers to 32768 (both)
I'm not on AmigaOS3.9 currently so check to have these settings in AmiTCP:db/AmiTCP.config (configurable through the GenesisPrefs as well)
PRIORITY = 5
MBUF_CONF Initial = 2
MBUF_CONF Chunk = 64
MBUF_CONF ClChunk = 4
MBUF_CONF MaxMem = 2048
MBUF_CONF ClusterSize = 2048
;LOG Count = 4
;LOG Len = 128
;LOG Filter = 7
LOG FilterCons = 7
LOG FilterFile = 7
DebugSana = no
DebugIP = no
Gateway = no
IPSendRedirects = no
;UseNameServer = SECOND
;UseLoopBack = YES
TCP_SendSpace = 32768
TCP_RecvSpace = 32768
ConsoleName = "nil:"
LogFileName = "T:AmiTCP.log"
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taunusand wrote:
How would you do that? My networking skills are not that good ;-)
Anyway, my internet should be 2048/512kbit. Normally it's faster, but not the last few days!
How about:
PING 192.168.0.110 -l
;-)
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@ Framiga:
Thnaks for that. I was thinking about using another browser as my AWeb is definately crippled (due to it's inability to turn off cookie confirmation) which may also be affecting the speed. I also have enough memory to increase the buffer sizes so hopefully that will make a difference too.
I'll have a go at it today and report the results.
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taunusand wrote:
I tried to download the same Firefox that you did, again.
Amiga: 1min 46sec
PC: 1min 13sec
I wonder why it is faster than yesterday :-?
If you want to do some serious benchmarking, you shouldn't try to use
a) a browser which might just use caching or other things influencing
b) disk access at the same time (such as saving to disk, adding the file system overhead)
c) has application protocol overhead (e.g. http chunked content parsing)
d) and ensure a source connection that is fast enough and free of jitter
Using tcpspeed (available for various operating systems) within the same LAN usually fulfills this.
Also: MiamiDx is much slower than other TCP/IP stacks. Moreover, it depends on the settings (enabling NAT, Gateway and Firewall makes it even slower).
Last time I had the time for tests, I got over 800KB/sec in both directions with the Asix dongle with Deneb Z3 PIO.
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Yous are prob using a demo version of AWEB.
Use the latest APL one. It works fine for me.
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Sorry to dig this one up, but I wanted to post a recent tcpspeed benchmark using the DENEB, a USB200M, and Genesis.
Amiga receving from PC: 1516 kB/s
PC receiving from Amiga: 1592 kB/s
On the Amiga, it's clear the USB NICs have the potential of blowing all the old Zorro cards out of the water. Looking forward to testing again when Roadshow is released.
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OK, I had to make a post from my Amiga using AWeb IISE as I did the announcement from a PC.
A quick question, what is the best web browser to use on the classic Amiga today?
Aweb makes me constantly "OK" each cookie (I can't disable it in the prefs which may be a feature of the SE) and the screen is refreshed each time a new graphic is loaded (for example, to make this post the screen had to refresh once for EACH message icon!).
Cheers.
Hi,
Try downloading netsurf from Aminet, there is a version on there for a 68K machine.
I know it works on my Amiga forever, but I hardly use it since I can just put AF into a window and use firefox on the PC.
smerf