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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: trip6 on August 01, 2008, 06:03:57 PM
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How do I install games to the hard drive of my A1200 that don't have a WHDLOAD install or their own hard drive installer from their original floppy disks? Can someone advise me on what I need to do\how I need to do it? I have a registered version of WHDLOAD if that helps...
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I'm not even close to an Amiga master but in my experience the game in question must be hard drive installable from the original disks like the old sierra online games all had a hard drive installer.
edit: I just reread your question and realized my response was total crap......sorry.
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If the games aint installable and there isn't a WHDLoad installer for it, there aint much you can do i'm afraid.
You can check if there is a JOTD (similar to WHDLoad) install for it http://jffabre.free.fr/amiga/patches.html (http://jffabre.free.fr/amiga/patches.html)
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Why not just copy the disks over into folders on your harddrive and use the assign command in your startup sequence to make w/bench look there for the disks?
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because they are probably NDOS, right?
I guess you can always try and write whdload slave, yourself.. if you have time, desire and patience.
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Can you give an example of this copy the disks and use assign method that you reference?
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an example:
copy df0: #? all work:games/wings
assign disk1: work:games/wings
assign disk2: work:games/wings
Something like that. And if it works you could add the assign commands to your s:user-startup so you don't have to type them everytime.
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WHDload is not the only hard drive installer.
There are JST (although most have been WHDloaded now) and Girv and lots of one-off-hacks.
Best to post the names of the games and let us tell you if an installer actually exists.
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Basically, if there's no WHDLoad installer and you want to install it to the hard disk, you need to write a WHDLoad slave yourself. There are some JST installers but WHDLoad has most of them covered anyway.
99% of the games that you find will be NDOS disks, so won't be able to be copied to your hard disk at all, and 99% of those that aren't NDOS will have their own installers anyway.
Effectively, you need WHDLoad. No WHDLoad = no HD install.
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Where could i find these Girv or one-off-hacks?
I remember back in my A500 time there were released some HD installers eventually, that worked for computers that time, that means pre-AGA and pre-tons-of-memory needed.
Where could i find some of these? I've got an A1200 with plenty of WHDLoad, but my A500 is still hungry of HD stuff, and WHDLoad is a "no-go" with only 1Mb
:-D
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Here you might find some installs or links to them which aren't WHDloaded - perhaps.
http://jffabre.free.fr/amiga/index.html
I think on old Aminet CDs might be installers, too. Didn't they got removed from Aminet later?
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Yep, that's JST, it's an alternative to WHDL, but i remember there were specific installers released by crack teams back in time. The only problem for JST is the same WHDL has, needs 2mb or more. Back in time i remember seeing installers that only required 1mb to run.
Maybe the ones that were removed from Aminet. :-?
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The most Amigans think that they are dependent from WHDLoad.
That's not true...
I run several games from HD that doesn't have a
HD-installer, or without the use of WHDLoad.
If the game is no NDOS, just copy the disk contents
to a directory on HD. Eventually you can assign the
game.
Then you can use little programs like "RunIt", "Run500",
"SetChipRev" or "Degrader" to run the game.
If your processor is 68040/68060, then turn of cache
and burst with the Cpu command: "c:cpu NOCACHE NOBURST".
This does the trick for me 9 out of 10 times with
old games that doesn't have a (WHDLoad)HD-installer.
:-D
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WHDload also contains a lot of bug fixes and solves incompatibility issues, especially if you have an accelerator card.
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I admit that WHDLoad is a nice piece of software,
but not all WHDLoad games work flawless on expanded
Amiga's. With WinUAE it's even with more errors.
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Yep, but in my case i'm looking for installs that could be run on a 1Meg A500 with HD. I'm looking to give this computer some functionallity, and not being depending of the floppy stuff.
I do agree WHDLoad is a great thing, and really useful, i do use it without problems in my A1200 030.
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Yes, I remember trying several (crackers') installers but as my gear was A500 and later A4000 and most of the installers were for A1200 the success rate was miserable.
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Try getting original games or uncracked adf's if you just want to install.
As has been pointed out most NDOS games won't have an installer, but there is still a fair amount games that do.
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Try getting original games or uncracked adf's if you just want to install.
I tried to install several original games with WHDLoad such as "The Killing Game Show". It failed on every Amiga I have ánd WinUAE. WHDLoad gives repeatedly strange errors
when trying to install. This is not the case with all
games, but it does happens sometimes.
I succeeded to install and run several games without WHDLoad just using the "CPU NOBURST NOCACHE" command and with help from little programs like RunIt or Run500.
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Sorry for grabbing this old thread, but the content is very interesting.
I like WHDLoad, I own a copy of it, but I don't like OS2.x/3.x, I prefer 1.3. It looks familiar to me, no other Amiga-OS does this.
Therefore I would like to run the games directly from HD with an installed Workbench 1.3.
I do not understand why WHDLoad needs Kick 2.x in oder to Re-Kick 1.3 to be compatible to the old games. If I already have Kick 1.3 in hardware in the machine, why is it not used. There must be some reasons why WHDLoad needs Kick 2.x.
The Atari-ST users do not have such problems because the HDD-ports work with mostly all Tos-Versions and all machines, from a simple ST to a Falcon or TT.
The HDD-Projects are very nice and the are mostly no dependencies.
http://www.klapauzius.net/Old_Games.html
http://dbug.kicks-ass.net/patch.php
http://atari.8bitchip.info/fromhd.php
I would like to have something similar on the Amiga.
Some posts above someone told about "Aminet-Installers", and other "tools" to run the games from HDD without the need of WHDLoad and therefore no Kick 2.x and above.
There is an old version of JST that runs with 1.3, but I don't know where to get this old version and are there any chances to get old games to work with this?
Would be nice if the persons above would share their knowlegde und perhaps put some links to the software they talked about.
Thx
Doc
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WHDload is not the only hard drive installer.
There are JST (although most have been WHDloaded now) and Girv and lots of one-off-hacks.
Best to post the names of the games and let us tell you if an installer actually exists.
BodyBlows
Doc
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Yep, that's JST, it's an alternative to WHDL, but i remember there were specific installers released by crack teams back in time. The only problem for JST is the same WHDL has, needs 2mb or more. Back in time i remember seeing installers that only required 1mb to run.
Maybe the ones that were removed from Aminet. :-?
Tell me more about "specific installers released by crack teams back in time"
I never heard about that. Are there any special "words" to search for these installers?
Doc
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Sorry for grabbing this old thread, but the content is very interesting.
....Would be nice if the persons above would share their knowlegde und perhaps put some links to the software they talked about.
Thx
Doc
Here you can find some degrader programs;
http://aminet.net/search?query=degrader
http://aminet.net/search?query=setchiprev