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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: Dan on August 21, 2003, 01:28:18 AM
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The whole DE on MorphOS and http://www.amiga.com/corporate/082003-mcewen.shtml (http://www.amiga.com/corporate/082003-mcewen.shtml)
Who wants to come back to the amiga these??
It´s just flame fests all over.
Don´t it almost makes you wish the old Commodore was back???
"That is just a rumor" "We have no comment"
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@Dan
As I wasn't in the community during the C= days, I have no idea.
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/me thinks back to when he was 7... too hard.
Can't tell ya.
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Don´t it almost makes you wish the old Commodore was back
With some change in the management? sure why not ;-)
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Well. at that time it was quite different on many ways.
Besides having money to market and big organisations on many
countries they had something I really miss.. Commodore Developer
Support.
Commodore had bunch of people taking care of developers and (with a
decent yearly fee) actullay deliver a lots of useful info. I was there
(among so many others) being priviledged to see early releases of OS
(at that time, they were delivered on disks, cause modem DL was not
option). There were private UUCP based mail system for direct dev
talk. Thick files of printed material etc..
Of course things would be different these days.. No need to long
distance modem connections, nor sending paper documents anymore. But
what was good at that time was people runnign it.. Those people at
CATS and other support organizations I miss the most. They did helluva
good work to make this important info available to Developers.
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Commodore weren't all that and a bag of chips, you know. They had flaws too. Chronic mismanagement was one of 'em.
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After reading that little bit and reminding me of the end user lic. agreement. I think I'll just go Peggy if any.
I bet I can EMU Mig faster on a Mac or x86 w/ the 3.9 disc I paid $30 for, but since I have to have a computer frankensteined out of a "dear old Miggy" w/ exspensive and hard to find parts (from overseas) or buy some new hardware that doesn't include OS4 (Linux Oh Boy!) and may or may not be shipped... SCREW IT!!! SCREW ME!!! Whatever!?!?
Praying for OpenBeOS,
McNorris
P.S. It makes me feel like doing the planet of the apes Chuck Heston scene... you know the one.
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@McNorris
Workbench 3.1 doesn´t have an EULA! ;-)
Lets all hope for AROS.
Now that Amiga DE Inc has gone Microsoft on us.
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I don't wish that Commodore was back, but I do wish that I didn't have to read posts about legal battles over "property" it reminds me of being back in 94 when the auction debacle was in all the Amiga Mags.... What's funny is that MOS is what has brought me back into the "Amiga" community, Yet their are some that would question my "loyalty" because I think MOS is a cool concept... sometimes I read and just ... shudder...
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...After reading that little bit and reminding me of the end user lic. agreement. I think I'll just go Peggy if any....
I had/have been a "fence-rider" on these issues for a while now, but if this EULA garbage is true and persists, then I guess I'll not be going the way of the "red-camp"
looks like im down to X86/linux/aros or the peg a.t.t. for choices
We live in a gnu/free world, and the greedy are starting to worry about the control that is slipping thru their fingers..
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the more amiga flames I see...the more I wish A.inc was out of business...as it would make things easier for EVERYONE!
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C= Back in charge? When Ice Cubes are available in Hell ! 8-)
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the more amiga flames I see...the more I wish A.inc was out of business...as it would make things easier for EVERYONE!
It's hard to imagine anything other than an open source team filling the void. Good for existing Amiga fans, but new users would never bother. They'd just go for a more robust system rather than continue hacking the OS 3.1 core.
Then again, AmigaOne has no future, either, so it makes no difference.
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Though Commodore was the parent of the Amiga, there is no way I would want them back in charge as they were. (Serious business model overhaul, then maybe) They never seemed to really have a direction for the Amiga and it was not used to its full potential. I would have liked to kick them in the head for putting out so many stupid revisions of the A500's, A600 and the CD32 rather than commiting and innovating something newer, faster and way more powerful than AGA + 030's and 040's were. Though these machines were nice ideas when they were implemented it was way too late and the technology was alredy falling behind everything else.
To those of you who haven't yet given AROS a try, I personally implore you to do so if you can and see for yourself what is possible on x86 before committing to the Peg or the A1. The AROS team surely would appreciate all help and if you think you are gonna drop money on an OS4 that you aren't sure is going to see the light of day, well you could send some of it to the AROS folks and know you atleast contributed something that shows regular results. That is what I am doing. I don't have much to give, but I want to help.
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Dear Bill McEwen:
It has come to my attention that I'm only supposed to run the vapourous OS4 on sub-standard, over-priced and often defective Amiga branded hardware.
Fat chance!
Furthermore, restrictive End User Licenses are just like restrictive underware - best taken off.
Cheers Big-Ears.
H202
Cheif Proclaimant that
Amiga (St)Inc(s)
ps I don't want you typing any more little notes so, I'd like my keyboard back please.
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It definately would have been interesting to
see the amigas C= had the potential of releasing.
Oh well....
As it is now, I'm thinking about about an x86
setup (maybe laptop?) for AROS/Win, and of course
the Pegasos in a few months.
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Actually, I remember that there was a license agreement with these old Workbench versions. I remember seeing it written on the sealed envelope that contained AmigaDOS 1.3 and the other software.
It said something along the lines of 'blah, blah, blah... turn on your Amiga and start using the software. Just ignore anything written here'... So I did.
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@Dan - Don´t it almost makes you wish the old Commodore was back???
It does in the sense that we had a unified approach to things - regardless of whether or not you agreed with a lot of Commodore's hardware/software decisions, we were all in the same boat, rowing in the same direction.
Of course, Commodore's mismanagement is one of the things that landed us all in this mess in the first place, but they did a lot of things right too, and I'd rather see them back than watch this whole, wretched shambles that's jokingly referred to as a "market" continue for one second more, dragging down the once great name of the Amiga further and further into ridicule and farce.
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Commodore was "only" using the "Amiga money" for their clone machines ... Genesi is doing everything to try to kill Amiga and the community :-x
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Commodore never said how great something would be while trying to hide two empty hands behind their back. They did they opposite like denying that there was gonna be an A500+ until the day it was released.
Even if they took money from the Amiga an placed in the PC-department atleast they made Amigas.
And nobody could argue that it wasn´t an Amiga.
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Yes thanks to Genesi
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meerschaum wrote:
the more amiga flames I see...the more I wish A.inc was out of business...as it would make things easier for EVERYONE!
Heh, Who'd NOTICE? :-o
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My status reached Cult Member during this, ironic isnt it? :roflmao:
Which cult should i choose?
I choose the Commodore Amiga m68k with customchips cult :-P
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Genesi is after A Inc. because they are affraid that when OS 4 does release they will be over powered in this nitch market. They want OS 4 to run on Pegasos hardware thus justifying their existence. The old "Good Offense is the Best Defense" thing. So what !
A Inc. is stupid. In this nitch market, you would think you would want your OS on every PPC board possible. Especially if Genesi wanted it to run on the Pegasos (without setting restrictions of course).
As far as hardware goes - I like'd Pegasos more than I did AmigaOne. However, round 2 of board releases may change that ! As far as OS's go, Morph looks good. Can't say the same about OS 4, but I do wait in anticipation.
IMO
I will buy "ZIP" until OS 4 is available (?) and realease II of the new Mobo's are out. Or until I get tired of waiting and buy a Mac G5.
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>I choose the Commodore Amiga m68k with customchips cult
Welcome to our humble club...
Here we learn not to trust business men
who want to take advantage of us.
Commodore made the most perfect machine ever,
and so.. they could not make anything better.
Here we have come to rest and understood
that there cannot be any better computer
than the 68k amiga with console support.
game developers should take advantage of these
chips, and once again make quality flowing games,
and not fall into the modular computers trap.
but.. alas... hardware manufacturers
does not like the perfection,
wich this machine is,
so they want you to buy their latest,
and then the latest latest,
and then new latest latest...
and so it goes..
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Don´t it almost makes you wish the old Commodore was back
No its there mistakes and money grabbing that have got us where we are now. :-)
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Actually, I wish that a company with strong financial backing, a good marketting department, good heart and skillfull experienced Amiga hardware and software engineers/specialists would come out and by 2006/7 roll-out the next generation of Amiga computer systems.
THAT would be, I believe, what us Amigans would want.
And that would cause a rip in the fragment of time and space and cause Microshaft to tremble.hehe (I wish.)
Will that happen? Nah. :python:
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Im>bE wrote:
>I choose the Commodore Amiga m68k with customchips cult
Welcome to our humble club...
Here we learn not to trust business men
who want to take advantage of us.
Doesn´t seem like many have learned that! :-)
Commodore made the most perfect machine ever,
and so.. they could not make anything better.
Here we have come to rest and understood
that there cannot be any better computer
than the 68k amiga with console support.
game developers should take advantage of these
chips, and once again make quality flowing games,
and not fall into the modular computers trap.
Who needs Quake341 or Unreal234 or 3D rendered Fantays456 or WarAlert219
Once upon a time gamedevelopers had orginal concept for their games. Lets remmeber that time.:-)
but.. alas... hardware manufacturers
does not like the perfection,
wich this machine is,
so they want you to buy their latest,
and then the latest latest,
and then new latest latest...
and so it goes..
A500 lasted on the market 10years
Athlon 500 for 10 months. :-D
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if they came back with same logo, full production of new systems and better management and a killer marketting plan HELL YEA, IN A HEARTBEAT, i WOULD EVEN THINK ABOUT BUYING STOCK IN THE COMPANY.
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Im>bE wrote:
Commodore made the most perfect machine ever,
and so.. they could not make anything better.
Commodore made nothing apart from mistakes, the original A1000 concept was made around 1981 (same year i was born incidently :) by a handful of people who had no affiliations with any company (apart from one of the blokes used to work at Atari i think). All they needed was funding, and as far as i remember no-one else was interested apart from Commodore, all they did was to invest and promote the Amiga, and of course reap the rewards then f*ck it up. Spose it was better than making calculators (from CBM's point of view).
Sometimes I wonder what wouldve happened if Commodore UK bought Commodore instead of Gateway, i always thought David Pleasence had the right idea. Or if IBM hadnt said no all those years ago, imagine that, the "IBM Amiga"
eek
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Commodore is back!
Just not the way you would expect. :-D
See HERE (http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,111556,00.asp)
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GadgetMaster wrote:
Commodore is back!
Just not the way you would expect. :-D
See HERE (http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,111556,00.asp)
That is not good!!
They threaten people who uses the Commodore name for a website or an emulator and at the same time encourages piracy
Tulip estimates that there are still 6 million Commodore users, who can choose from a range of 6,000 games which were developed for the system.
:-?
That is the same standard as one expects out of Genesi and Amiga DE Inc
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Please, take it from someone who had developer status with CATS, who worked for a dealer, etc.
"Which Commodore are you talking about?" seriously not CBM (USA), Commodore UK, or Commodore Germany.. You are talking about the parent division who was siphoning profits from the Amiga to stay afloat. The clones never made them money and they knew it. That's why they were working on Hombre etc..
Commodore-Amiga, Inc. (yet another commodore company) was the bread winner and US Amiga sales saved the company on more than one occaision and we never sold "clones" in our C= 8bit and Amiga only store. The "clones" made quick bucks for Commodore cause it took them no technology investment to make them.
Genesi is not killing the Amiga.. If anything they are providing their own platform with good support and a product that should be of great happiness to the community. They have something that's not "Vapor" like OS4.
If it was the case it's already "dead" Genesi has a great looking product that's well supported that is amiga compatible to a certain extent and is a cool platform onto itself. We need to stop calling it an Amiga. It isn't marketed as one. It just looks like the old OS that Amiga Inc. never developed themselves. It was Commodore who did that, so give credit while it was due.
I was in Seattle/Snowqualmi, WA area in July and the "Amiga" offices didn't even look open to me, because I wanted to visit them. Yeah and I was there for a Microsoft conference. I feel like alice going thru the looking glass everytime I hear about "Amiga Inc.".. Maybe they will drink the right potion and grow bigger...