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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: persia on July 29, 2008, 11:49:30 PM
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Ok, so here I am waiting for Hyperion to win and AmigaOS 4 to become available for Mac Minis, but I wonder if I just buy an Efika board and run Mos 2.0 how different will the experience be than running OS4? What are the differences and similarities of the two OSs?
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I've owned a Pegasos MOS1.4 system in the past and it was quite amazing, I'm sure 2.0 is pretty sweet. However, 2.0 on the Efika seems to have it's drawbacks such as no sound support yet. IMO (YMMV and some will hate this statement) MorphOS is a better, more compatible product overall and it is available with hardware NOW. If and when OS4 is ever available again for viable hardware is a very big question mark.
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You'll get flamed and burn in hell for those statements for sure Red :lol: :lol: :lol:
I too think that MorphOS has a slight edge over AOS4.x at this moment in time and the edge is made much larger when you consider that it is available with hardware in the form of the Efika. Not much horsepower in that form, but at least some kind of new hardware is available.
Perhaps if Hyperion wins the right to distribute AOS4.x on other hardware platforms they will be able to gain more interest and catch up with MorphOS. I think it is good to have choices, but in this case, it divides an already tiny community in many ways. I don't want to see either OS lose, but can't see myself spending much money to keep both when they are so similar. I will probably end up being a MorphOS supporter unless something drastic happens and happens soon (within the next year) for the AmigaOS4.x team and Hyperion.
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I agree with dave, but i see no reason to prefer one over the other, even tho my wallet may have a totally different oppinion, sadly im too caught up in getting the a4k back online to even consider buying more gear at this point :\
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Pah, neither OS4 or MOS2 have proper support for the much needed big icons that for ex. OS3.9 has
/me runs
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OS 3.9 rocks.
Though I'd try MOS 2 if I had the hardware.
Amiga OS4 can rot.
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MOS 2.0 is pretty nice; I'd try AOS4 if there was hardware available that was still being made. Don't really see the point, otherwise.
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I chose MOS because:
1. At the time it seemed like AI couldnt be trusted with all their promises of new software/hardware.
2. MOS was backed by Bill Buck/Genesi whom I saw as someone that didnt bullsh** me. (yea stuff happened w/other folks & BB and thats another story).
3. Seemed like MOS had more coders/support from legit people/companies than Hyperion did.
4. MOS was developed at a rapid pace, 1.4 came out and it was blazing fast and had a nice interface.
5. MorphOS is immune from AI and their greed.
6. They have some damn good coders working for them, 2.0 is a huge release. One must see it in order to appreciate its beauty.
7. See #1, #5 and add, Hyperion is in some deep (insert expletive).
Price wise.. $99 bucks gets me something I can use RIGHT NOW and it whips the crap out of my PPC A4kT.
Compare it to a Minimig. What's that a A500 replacement, correct? For how much, $200 or so? **$200** to replace a AMIGA -->500<--. The EFIKA replaces a PowerPC Amiga 4000(T). It does exactly what I need and I can put away my A4kT (actually will ebay it I think).
-Alex
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Compare it to a Minimig. What's that a A500 replacement, correct? For how much, $200 or so? **$200** to replace a AMIGA -->500<--.
Apples and oranges. The Minimig will play most old games you throw at it, Efika will not.
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I'll use UAE for games if I really need to play them, then again, I have a A500 for games.
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You guys keep leaving out the part about MorphOS 2.0 being really sketchy on the Efika.
I have still yet to get mine running stable at all. I dont seem to very alone in this department as well.
Its awesome when it runs but, I would not reccomend it to anyone right now as main "amiga replacement" at the moment.
Maybe 2.1 will fix it. I'm in a waiting pattern right now.
As far as OS4 goes, I gave up thoughts about trying to run that along time ago. I didnt have the $ to shell out for an Amiga One back then, and I dont have it now.
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I keep hearing about random wierd problems with MOS crashing on the efika, but I haven't experienced them much myself, although it's true I haven't spent much time on it (I'm moving to canada next week).
However, maybe some setups are less stable than others; I had read a while back about usb hubs/device order being a difficulty for some. I'm using a Mac keyboard with builtin USB hub and a few different mice (kensington, and logitech) and I haven't had any real trouble with crashes since I stopped trying to use a couple of different PC keyboards that basically made the system so unstable it was unusable. I'm also using a CF-IDE adapter instead of a hard disk, although I don't know if that makes any difference. The only time my EFIKA crashes now is if I run out of memory with too many browser windows open, or try to run 68k software (which i think it is supposed to do but maybe I don't know how to do it right - or do i need uae?)
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persia wrote:
What are the differences and similarities of the two OSs?
I'd say both are equally Amigaish systems. Both run old system friendly Amiga software and Amiga feeling is there. I guess the most visible difference is that MorphOS GUI is based on MUI while OS4's on Reaction.
I've used MorphOS 1.4 and 2.0 on Pegasos1 and OS4 final update on AmigaOneXE. In my experience MorphOS has better compatibility with old software and I really feel MUI more amigaish and versatile than Reaction. Driver support (USB etc) seems to be better on MorphOS now. With 2.0 release, MorphOS is also nicely complete package.
So, MorphOS is my choice now, but I don't have anything against the OS4 either. Both are good for people wanting to stick with Amiga in modern world. They're the only options for closest Amiga feeling you can get from nowadays options. I don't count emulators or non binary compatible options in same category ;) I'd be using OS4 if there wouldn't be MorphOS :)
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Well, i've got a Peg and an AmigaOne. The peg ended up in the loft and the AmigaOne gets used every day, so i guess I found OS4 to be nicer :-)
Ideally, both should be readily available on reasonably priced hardware so people could make up their minds from having both in their hands. Life hasn't worked out that way, though, which really sucks.
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@spihunter:
I've hit the "30" minute timeout about 4x in a row. During those 29.x minute sessions I havent experienced whatever is going wrong. Of course, I dont use Sputnik either. I VNC into my linux box to use a browser and FTP the files to my EFIKA. The bugs are being worked on. Cant wait for the patch and also the sound support :)
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xeron wrote:
Well, i've got a Peg and an AmigaOne. The peg ended up in the loft and the AmigaOne gets used every day, so i guess I found OS4 to be nicer :-)
Ideally, both should be readily available on reasonably priced hardware so people could make up their minds from having both in their hands. Life hasn't worked out that way, though, which really sucks.
Is your Peg a 1 or a 2? If a 2, is it a G4 1gHz, or slower? What CPU and speed is your AmigaOne?
I know that there were lots more problems with the Peg1's compared to the Peg2's and also wondered if your AmigaOne was comparable to your Peg with the same CPU and clock speed?
If not, then it isn't a fair comparison. Do you think your Peg would be in the attic collecting dust if it had the same hardware spec as your AmigaOne?
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the AmigaOne and AmigaOS4.x. I am glad that you have a good working AmigaOne and that it works well for you in your everyday use. I am hoping that I will someday be able to say the same thing about using either an AOS4.x, or MOS2.x machine of my own. I would much rather use one of those two Amiga-Like choices than my PC tower, or Mac laptop.
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Maybe its time for me to start swapping out different keyboard/mouse/USB hubs on my Efika to see if I can get it more stable?
I'm also noticing that some of my crashes are not random. Ex: when I open up the prefs window in Showgirls it will bring the whole system down everytime if I hit the cancel button.
weird huh?
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amigadave wrote:
Is your Peg a 1 or a 2? If a 2, is it a G4 1gHz, or slower? What CPU and speed is your AmigaOne?
Its a Pegasos 1 April 2, 600Mhz G3, Radeon 9200. The AmigaOne is an XE-G4, 800Mhz G4, Radeon 7500.
MorphOS was not sluggish or buggy on the peg; in fact it runs really rather well. I just prefer OS4.
If not, then it isn't a fair comparison. Do you think your Peg would be in the attic collecting dust if it had the same hardware spec as your AmigaOne?
Probably. I do intend to try out MOS2.0 at some point, though, but i'll have to get a new gfx card for the peg because i put the 9200 into a PC. I'm thinking of getting a 9250 for the AmigaOne, and if i do, the 7500 can go in the peg.
(btw, the only reason i put the 9200 straight into a PC rather than into the A1, was that the 7500 has DVI out while the 9200 card doesn't).
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spihunter wrote:
Maybe its time for me to start swapping out different keyboard/mouse/USB hubs on my Efika to see if I can get it more stable?
It's worth a try, especially if you have a bunch of keyboards lying around like I do... :)
I'm also noticing that some of my crashes are not random. Ex: when I open up the prefs window in Showgirls it will bring the whole system down everytime if I hit the cancel button.
weird huh?
That is weird. Have you reported the bug? Usually when I have a bug like that in something I've written it's a matter of me having done something boneheaded but easily fixed. :crazy: