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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: redrumloa on July 16, 2008, 01:35:01 AM
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I am in the process of putting together my next Individual Computers order and am accepting input. I just sold out again(!!!) of all MMC Replay and RR-Net, so they are a given. I will probably order a handful of Deneb, remaining couple Catweasel MK4 and a few X-Surf 3cc. Beyond that, we'll see. If you have a request, PM me quickly and I will stock it. One example is C-One, they are expensive to stock. I may just get one for myself..
Oh and if anyone is interested in a brand new, unused, NTSC CD32, relatively cheap, PM me.
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How about some of those new scandoublers that Jens's supposed to be working on? :D
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mfletcher wrote:
How about some of those new scandoublers that Jens's supposed to be working on? :D
Not available yet.. Jens is burried in work, unfortunately :-(
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redrumloa wrote:
I will probably order a handful of Deneb, ...
Deneb is not from Jens but from E3B... :-)
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An A600 030 turbocard? :-D
A Kylwalda?
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alexh wrote:
An A600 030 turbocard? :-D
A Kylwalda?
Yeah, an A600/O30 would be nice, but I recently wrote to Jens about the Kylwalda and he said they are all long gone and will not be produced again.
I wanted one to use in conjunction with a Catweasle card to allow booting from a PC drive on an emulated Amiga, as described in Jens spec for the Kylwalda.
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Tahoe wrote:
Deneb is not from Jens but from E3B... :-)
Indiividual Computers distributes for E3B.
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amigadave wrote:
I recently wrote to Jens about the Kylwalda and he said they are all long gone and will not be produced again.
Bummer, I wanted one so I could boot from a regular PC disk drive.
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Deneb heck yah! I didn't know anyone in the US stocked them...
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Catweasel MK4 are all gone unfortunately (we bought the 'safety' stock two weeks ago-sorry!)- new production run very shortly, though so dont worry.
Shame about Kylwalda- it was a piece of useful hardware.
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amigadave wrote:
I wanted one to use in conjunction with a Catweasle card to allow booting from a PC drive on an emulated Amiga, as described in Jens spec for the Kylwalda.
Kylwalda has nothing to do with emulation, it's only useful for real Amigas.
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Quoting another A.org member who owns a Kylwalda:
"From the motherboard a floppy a cable goes to Kylwalda boot adapter, then this adapter chains to Catweasel. Without Kylwalda I would not have a bootable DF0:, as you cannot boot directly from a Catweasel connected floppy, at cold boot (that's why Individual Computers released this boot adapter)."
It is my understanding that this arrangement will work with the Catweasle installed in an Amiga, or in a PC where the Catweasle is used under emulation. Amiga Hardware Database site states:
"Can also integrate an ISA Catweasel with a PC floppy controller."
I also had seen a similar statement on Jens site, but can't find it now.
Since the Mk4 and the Mk3/Flipper versions of the Catweasle both have PCI connectors, I would think that the same holds true for them in a PC.
The addition of the Kylwalda to a Catweasle is the only way to boot from a Catweasle controlled floppy drive.
As I do not own a Kylwalda, I can't test this assumption through WinUAE/Amiga Forever/AmiKit/etc.
If anyone else has both the Kylwalda and Catweasle Mk3, or Mk4 combination, can you please try to boot from it using WinUAE, or Amiga Forever, or AmiKit? That way I will know if I should pursue finding a Kylwalda used somewhere, or begging Jens to make one last production run of them for those of us that want one.
Edit: If anyone that owns a Kylwalda will be attending either the CommVEx4 event, or AmiWest this year, please bring it with you and I will bring a PC with one of my Catweasle cards installed in it to test out this functionality. I am trying to make arrangements to attend both of those events.
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@redrumloa,
What is the current price and availability of the IDEfix and IDE Express combo? I have another brand of IDE buffered splitter/controller, but reading Jens description makes me wonder if I should use the one I have that was purchased from AmigaKit, or sell it and get the combo from Jens?
I want to install an internal Mac SuperDrive DVDRW into my A12000/060 and reduce or eliminate all the external SCSI devices connected to it (I have a larger 2.5" hdd coming through the mail to help me get rid of the second hdd which is external right now).
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How about a Clone A, Scandoubbler or that A600 030 he bragged about a few years ago ? Non to be seen yet
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@amigadave
I am guessing what you are referring to on the Individual Computer site but the text referring to the colors of the IDEFIX Express boards is out-of-date. If you bought it from us recently, then it is probably the one that can be updated.
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It is my understanding that this arrangement will work with the Catweasle installed in an Amiga, or in a PC where the Catweasle is used under emulation. Amiga Hardware Database site states:
"Can also integrate an ISA Catweasel with a PC floppy controller."
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The addition of the Kylwalda to a Catweasle is the only way to boot from a Catweasle controlled floppy drive.
Edit: Forgot to type anything.. :lol:
Anyway, just looked at the manual from when I had a Kylwalda of my own attached to my catweasel in my 3000. It does state that it can be configured to function when connected to an ISA Catweasel mounted in a PC or Draco, but it doesnt give any examples of how to use this combination.
The Kylwalda is indeed made in order to allow booting of disks from a standard PC drive in an Amiga, and can be used without the Catweasel. However, using a Kylwalda with a Catweasel, and not connecting the Kylwalda to the internal floppy controller of the Amiga wouldn´t accomplish anything, since the Kylwalda only acts as a pass-through when the Kylwaldas drivers has been loaded. And the catweasel wont function at all until the drivers are loaded.
Granted, I can´t test what you are suggesting, but at the same time I can´t think of a reason why it should work.
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Addonay:
-Scandoubler is in ending phase IIRC according to post on a1k.org
-Clone A is being worked on as mentioned on Amigaworld.net
-A600 turbo is not an active project because of something (forgot reasons)
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Kylwalda has (of course) nothing to do with emulation.
It's just amigadave being dumb (again :-))
The example for PC's dates back years when floppy drives were expensive and (just like the Amiga) allows you to connect the one floppy drive to the Catweasel and the PC motherboard floppy connector at the same time to share one floppy disk drive.
It has no role in the PC anymore but still had a role for A1200D's
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-Edit- removed:
No harm no foul :-)
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alexh wrote:
Kylwalda has (of course) nothing to do with emulation.
It's just amigadave being dumb (again :-))
The example for PC's dates back years when floppy drives were expensive and (just like the Amiga) allows you to connect the one floppy drive to the Catweasel and the PC motherboard floppy connector at the same time to share one floppy disk drive.[quote/]
The Catweasle has that functionality built-in since the Mk3 and Mk4 models were released, so that is not the reason to have a Kylwalda connected to a Catweasle card.
Maybe that is why the Kylwalda has been discontinued, but when I wrote to Jens just a couple of days ago and asked him about availability of the Kylwalda and I told him exactly what I wanted to use it for, his reply did not say anything about it not being able to work the way I have described in a PC.
It has no role in the PC anymore but still had a role for A1200D's
Well alexh, if I am indeed being dumb again, I can guarantee it won't be the last time.
I have not proved that a Kylwalda can allow booting when installed in a PC and connected to a Catweasle card yet, but I also have not seen any absolute proof that I am wrong (yet). The driver issue looks like a good reason for it not to work. I maybe made an incorrect assumption that since the Kylwalda was designed to allow the PC floppy drive connected to a Catweasle used in an Amiga to act as DF0: and boot from it, then it would be logical that it would also work the same way when connected to a PC using Amiga emulation. Perhaps some kind of recoverable warm boot hack could make it work in a PC, and perhaps not.
I did not say that it was designed for Amiga emulation. I just read that when paired with the Catweasle, it allows booting from the connected PC floppy drive and hoped that I would find that it would work under emulation in a PC with an installed Catweasle. This would allow some games and other NDOS floppy applications to run in an emulated Amiga environment, such as WinUAE, as I do not know of any other way to boot these types of games or other NDOS floppy disks, when running WinUAE or any other emulation.
It could have been an oversight on Jen's part in replying to my questions, but since the inventor of the device did not reply that it could not be used in the way I described I wanted to use it to boot from when using emulation on a PC, maybe you will cut me some slack instead of calling me "dumb again"?
"Dumb again" I wonder what other threads you feel that I have been acting dumb in, or is this just your general opinion of my Amiga knowledge? I think I'll be offended by that remark.
I know I may not be the sharpest tool on the Amiga Workbench, but I have been around them for about 20 years now and I don't feel that I am a complete newbie on most Amiga related topics.
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amigadave wrote:
I maybe made an incorrect assumption that since the Kylwalda was designed to allow the PC floppy drive connected to a Catweasel used in an Amiga to act as DF0: and boot from it, then it would be logical that it would also work the same way when connected to a PC using Amiga emulation.
Yup.
In an Amiga a Kylwalda connects the disk drive to both the Catweasel and the Amiga disk interface (one of which is capable of booting disks.)
In a PC it would connect the disk drive to both the Catweasel and the PC disk interface (both of which are NOT capable of booting Amiga disks in WinUAE)
AFAIK, there is no direct support of anything other than ADF files for DF0: in WinUAE (not Catweasel and especially not the PC FDC). It is because the drivers / hardware are not capable of it.
And so, logically, the kylwalda is of no use in a PC.
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amigadave wrote:
I just read that when paired with the Catweasle, it allows booting from the connected PC floppy drive...
In order to get the Amiga to boot from a PC floppy drive, you don´t need the Catweasel at all, only the Kylwalda. Its only an adaptor between the Amiga floppy controller and the PC floppy to make the drive work with the Amiga.
The Catweasel allows the drive to be used as a HD Amiga drive once the AmigaOS drivers for it has been loaded. At this point the Kylwalda (or the Catweasel, unsure) blocks the Amiga floppy controller from accessing the drive at all.
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@amigadave
The Catweasel floppy can not be used as DF0: in WinUAE period. WinUAE provides emulation that allows you to mount the floppy as CAT: using multidisk.device on the Amiga side (same as Z2 Catweasels). Adding a Kylwalda to the mix will not help this limitation.
BTW, ADF can be NDOS. (You're probably thinking copy protection, for that it's best to use CAPS/SPS images.)
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I am not familiar with CAPS/SPS images of copy protected floppy disks. Which program(s) do you use to create them from my original disks? Do they work just like adf images in WinUAE?
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http://www.softpres.org
The tools are from Softpres. They work with the Amiga's own floppy controller so you need an Amiga.
Yes they work just like ADF images. However it is a two stage process, you dump the raw data from your disks and send them to SoftPres and if the disks are unmodified they send you an IPF image in return.
People who have received their IPF images have shared them over the years on the net, you can find them if you look hard enough.