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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Rowbeartoe on July 14, 2008, 04:41:02 PM
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Hey everyone, I have the newtek demo reels but I was wondering if anyone can help me find all those other digiview pictures? Most notable the butcher series? Girl with pencil in mouth with green glove and blue background or the girl with a sucker. Another notable picture was the horse with a taxi in the background. Digi everything used to have so many great pictures.
Thanks.
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I think most of those came with DigiPaint. I had DigiView (with the A1000 dongle) and I don't remember it coming with extra images.
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That's too bad. I have photonpaint, but no digi programs. Well if anyone has those pictures!?!?! I'd love to have them. Thanks. =)
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Ok, so now i'm certain these pictures came with Digipaint. So does anyone have the pictures that came with the program/s.
Thanks.
The link below shows the really bad Spectrum 512 conversions of the pictures I'm trying to get. =)
http://www.atari-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=80&t=14448
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Digiview is a company that makes cheap DVD's of cheap movies and sells them at Walmart for $1. Or, if you're lucky, for 25 cents at a grocery store.
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You mean the first Newtek girl. Newtek's "Maxine Headroom" aka "Laura Longfellow".. If that was her real name we don't know for sure but she was replaced by Kiki Stockhammer (Stromgren I think was her real name).. It's been a long time to remember that far back..
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Ok they didnt' come with Digipaint/s or the NewTek Demo reels. My best guess is they were part of the first Digiview. My link above shows the pictures in particular I'm looking for that were converted badly to Spectrum 512. Thanks for anyone who can help.
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what for they?
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Hi,
On a related note, what do people generally use these days for viewing and/or converting IFF images (both ways, including HAM6/HAM8) on non-Amiga platforms, specifically Windows and Linux? Just curious!
- Ali
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I use GBMREF on the PC to convert to Amiga Formats. XNVIEW displays my Amiga pictures that I can then save to BMP or whatever. I still have to play with my Amiga 500 to file share with the PC (via null modem) so I can start converting SHAM pictures and saving them to the PC using GBMREF. I have to learn how to do that, and I think I found some places that explains how- but right now I just don't have that kind of time. My interest right now is in finding those old pictures. I want to convert them to the Atari ST using Photochrome and other various programs including Spectrum 512 (hopefully with better results). To bad I couldn't get the orginal photographs in 24bit from those NewTek guys. =(
Thanks for all your help guys.
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Rowbeartoe wrote:
I use GBMREF on the PC to convert to Amiga Formats...
Aha, thanks for that, just found it here: Generaised Bitmap Module (http://www.nyangau.fsnet.co.uk/gbm/gbm.htm). Will give that a go, interested to convert a few photos to HAM6 for display on an A500, just to see what results I get!
And I checked out XnView (http://pagesperso-orange.fr/pierre.g/xnview/enhome.html) earlier, works well for the few (non-HAM) images I've thrown at it so far, plus it works under Wine with no problems.
- Ali
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>by Rowbeartoe on 2008/7/28 4:04:49
>I use GBMREF on the PC to convert to Amiga Formats. XNVIEW >displays my Amiga pictures that I can then save to BMP or >whatever. I still have to play with my Amiga 500 to file share with the PC (via null modem) so I can start converting SHAM pictures and saving them to the PC using GBMREF. I have to learn how to do that, and I think I found some places that explains how- but right now I just don't have that kind of time. My interest right now is in finding those old pictures. I want to convert them to the Atari ST using Photochrome and other various programs including Spectrum 512 (hopefully with better results). To bad I couldn't get the orginal photographs in 24bit from those NewTek guys. =(
Do you have a utility that uses custom copper lists to convert to Amiga formats or just using the stock Amiga modes? I still have the Spectrum 512 images you sent me, but I have not had the time to write a custom copper list generator. The algorithm was to use a 32-color mode and change registers within HBI and mid-screen to simulate at least the color register modifications of the Spectrum 512 so any image on Atari ST can be shown on Amiga losslessly. Do you happen to know at which color clocks the Spectrum 512 modifies the palette? I don't have that software.
>Thanks for all your help guys.
Is that Spectrum 512 limited to 320*200 or does it also do mid-screen changes in 640*200 mode?
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Spectrum 512 works so differn't from HAM6 or anything I'm aware- contary to popular belief when converting 24-bit pictures, Spectrum 512 can best (but not always) what can be achieved with HAM6. Of course converting a HAM6 to Spectrum 512 will always look less impressive because the source is the HAM6 picture. Spectrum 512 divides each scan line 3 times for 48 colors per scan line(actually 42 if you want to use and edit with the paint program, 45 if you don't use the paint program and 48 if you use one of the photochrome modes). HAM6 can best Spectrum 512 in some ways because you can have 320 colors on a scan line. But HAM6 is limited because after those 16 "free" colors you can only modifify one of the 3 RGB values from a previous color causing unessary colors. Spectrum 512 is limited to 320x200. No interlacing. Photochrome looks amazing (bests VGA in many ways) but wasn't available until early 90's (spectrum 512 came out in 1987!). Photochrome interlaces two pictures and color mixes giving you 96 colors per scan line and a 4,096 color palette (for standard ST). Flicker is at a minimum for most cases and is similar to looking at interlaced pictures on the Amiga.
BTW XNVIEW 1.61 displays Amiga HAM pictures and Spectrum 512. I think the newest version does not.
For more details how these ST picture formats work check out the link. Other paint programs allowed the borders to be removed (neochrome master) as is so common with the Amiga.
http://www.atari-forum.com/wiki/index.php/Graphics
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Well with my LONG LONG LONG search for these DAM NewTek digiview pictures I can't seem to find, I found this cool PC program. You can use your PC to view Amiga ADF files, then all you have to do is right click and copy to your PC or disk. =) Then use something like XNVIEW (older 1.61) to check out the Amiga HAM pictures. I've been browsing ADF files now all over the net in search for these pictures! Perhaps this will help others who want to help me with this search!?!?
I checked out both New Tek Demo Reels
I checked out Digipaint 1 and 2
I checked out Digiview 4
I think they came out in late 1986 but no later than the end of 1987. (Again, the pictures I'm looking for are in Spectrum 512 format linked above)
Help me find these pictures PLEASE!
Thanks.
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Rowbeartoe wrote:
...I found this cool PC program. You can use your PC to view Amiga ADF files, then all you have to do is right click and copy to your PC or disk...
I presume you mean ADFView (http://www.viksoe.dk/adfview/)? Pretty handy really, and integrates nicely with Explorer under Windows.
- Ali
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haha- yep I forgot to say what the program was- yes ADFVIEW. It's a lot faster to browse using the PC then converting everything to the Amiga to look. But the search continues. Somebody has to have these pictures? I'm guessing they came with Digiview 1.0? Or it's also likely a store demo or two?
Thanks.
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>I presume you mean ADFView?
Does that handle the hard files without requiring manual editing of the Mountfile?
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>Spectrum 512 divides each scan line 3 times for 48 colors per scan line(actually 42 if you want to use and edit with the paint program, 45 if you don't use the paint program and 48 if you use one of the photochrome modes). HAM6 can best Spectrum 512 in some ways because you can have 320 colors on a scan line. But HAM6 is limited because after those 16 "free" colors you can only modifify one of the 3 RGB values from a previous color causing unessary colors. Spectrum 512 is limited to 320x200. No interlacing.
I was talking about just 32-color mode on amiga not HAM6. In 32-color mode with a custom copper list, I was able to do 61 free colors per scan line. Using a 7.16Mhz Amiga, there's enough time in the HBI to modify 14 color registers, and 30 registers during visible portion of screen (in 320*x mode). Now if you partition the 32 colors into 14:17:1 where the first partition is colors that change during HBI, 17 that are staying the same from scanline i to i+1 (using delta-modulation where more common colors take on those indices), and take the 32nd color and repeatedly change it 30 times during visible portion of the screen you get: 14+17+30 = 61 free colors per scan line more than Spectrum 512. And I have not involved the Amiga CPU either.
>Photochrome looks amazing (bests VGA in many ways) but wasn't available until early 90's (spectrum 512 came out in 1987!). Photochrome interlaces two pictures and color mixes giving you 96 colors per scan line and a 4,096 color palette (for standard ST). Flicker is at a minimum for most cases and is similar to looking at interlaced pictures on the Amiga.
Those interlaced colors have to be distinguished from the REAL colors as the interlaced colors have half the refresh rate.
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"I was talking about just 32-color mode on amiga not HAM6. In 32-color mode with a custom copper list, I was able to do 61 free colors per scan line. Using a 7.16Mhz Amiga, there's enough time in the HBI to modify 14 color registers, and 30 registers during visible portion of screen (in 320*x mode). Now if you partition the 32 colors into 14:17:1 where the first partition is colors that change during HBI, 17 that are staying the same from scanline i to i+1 (using delta-modulation where more common colors take on those indices), and take the 32nd color and repeatedly change it 30 times during visible portion of the screen you get: 14+17+30 = 61 free colors per scan line more than Spectrum 512. And I have not involved the Amiga CPU either."
Hey that sounds like a possible Spectrum 512 emulator on the original Amiga? That would be impressive and makes me wonder why it was never done espcially since this kind of format could (probably more times than not) produce better pictures than HAM6
>Photochrome looks amazing (bests VGA in many ways) but wasn't available until early 90's (spectrum 512 came out in 1987!). Photochrome interlaces two pictures and color mixes giving you 96 colors per scan line and a 4,096 color palette (for standard ST). Flicker is at a minimum for most cases and is similar to looking at interlaced pictures on the Amiga.
Those interlaced colors have to be distinguished from the REAL colors as the interlaced colors have half the refresh rate.
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The Atari ST Photochrome interlaces two screens for 96 colors per scan line for a 1985 standard ST computer. The color changing between the screens just gives the apperance of more than the standard 512 colors. The results are trully impressive. I was talking to an ST guy who said he could get the ST Blitter chip to divide the screen pallete one more time making 64 colors a scan line or 128 for photochrome. Of course the ST Blitter wasn't introduced until 1987 and nobody has ever made the program.
Still your idea sounds like a great idea to emulate Spectrum 512 on the Amiga. Something I never thought the original Amiga could do. =)
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I'd really like to see the pictures, it has been what, decades, since I have.
Also, I remember the a500 could do 256-greyscale through one of its outputs.
I always wished someone made a stylish b&w game or euro demo taking advantage of that fact. It must've been a decade before VGA could do it?
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ruina wrote:
I'd really like to see the pictures, it has been what, decades, since I have.
Also, I remember the a500 could do 256-greyscale through one of its outputs.
I always wished someone made a stylish b&w game or euro demo taking advantage of that fact. It must've been a decade before VGA could do it?
Very interesting, I have never thought of that. Basically you would be using HAM to reach the amount of 256 colors (or shades of grey), isn't it? The output you mention is the b&w composite one.
Varthall
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You could all try IffPro... It comes from an Amiga user who I knew from when I used DarkBASIC... has support for:
- IFF Images (OCS) (0-32 colours)
- IFF Images (AGA) (0-255 colours)
- IFF Ham 6 (4096 Colours)
- IFF Ham8 ( 262144 (2^18) Colours)
- IFF Half Bright (ocs + aga)
- IFF Dynamic Hires (4096 colours, Split Scan lines)
- IFF Slice/ Dynamic HAM6 (SHAM)
And link to the download/feature page:
http://underwaredesign.com/prod_detail.php?id=25 (http://underwaredesign.com/prod_detail.php?id=25)
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haha- yep I forgot to say what the program was- yes ADFVIEW. It's a lot faster to browse using the PC then converting everything to the Amiga to look. But the search continues. Somebody has to have these pictures? I'm guessing they came with Digiview 1.0? Or it's also likely a store demo or two?
Thanks.
Hmm tried this on XP SP2, it opens the ADF fine to show root directory, but trying to open the actual directories within the ADF to view files within them gives some dumb error "Windows cannot find '(null)'....blah blah" so that was a bit useless lol
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I have these pictures, but not in original file format. They have been converted to PNG with fringing included :)
If anyone wants the 43 pictures I have then let me know somewhere I can upload the 2.6mb RAR file and I will do so.
Cheese and Wine never looked so tasty with Ham :D