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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: takemehomegrandma on July 11, 2008, 10:49:56 PM
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Hyperion has pre-announced OS4.1 to be released sometime mid-Q3, with several enhancements to previous versions:
http://www.hyperion-entertainment.biz:8080/news/2008-07-11
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JXFS file system? hmm cross between JFS and XFS? :)
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I wouldn't really call that a "pre-announcement". It looks like a plain ol' announcement to me.
Funny that it comes hot on the heels of MorphOS2 and adds similar functionality. Brings back memories of Microsoft's announcement of the imminent release (which of course slipped) of MS-DOS version-something in order to cut sales of competitor DR-DOS.
Still no functional "Preview" button in the cumbersome GUI Prefs, I see.
If this helps dodge legal issues, though, then they have my full endorsement.
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@yakumo9275
"Amiga OS 4.1 introduces an all new filesystem, JXFS, the fastest and most robust filesystem available for the Amiga platform, with support for drives and partitions of multiple terrabytes."
Sounds exiting!
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Nice, any updates on OS4 for the so-called "classics"?
AHI and BVPPC?CVPPC drivers should be fixed...
Cheers
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Great! All I need is something to run it on. :madashell:
I wonder if there's any chance of someone releasing new hardware for OS4.1 before I drown in my own drool.
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Good for Hyperion. Now some one get us enough documentation that we can start building underground mother boards in our basements, garages and spare bed rooms so we have some thing to run it on!!!
Plaz
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takemehomegrandma wrote:
Hyperion has pre-announced OS4.1 to be released sometime mid-Q3, with several enhancements to previous versions:
http://www.hyperion-entertainment.biz:8080/news/2008-07-11
Interesting timing indeed, kind of a moot point with the legal problems and no available hardware though.
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How about the new SAM440EP-Flex? As they say in their site Acube Systems will distribute AmigaOS 4.1, so why not? ;-)
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How about the new SAM440EP-Flex?
Too well known. Amiga Inc would be all over that with the lawyers. If Amiga Inc isn't going to give us an approved hardware vendor then we need some thing more open sourced.
Plaz
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So AmigaOS 4.1 will be an update to the old AmigaOne or MicroAmiga users right? So why we bother? :-o
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Can't run it on my hardware, so won't be buying.
Such is life ...
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Phantom wrote:
So AmigaOS 4.1 will be an update to the old AmigaOne or MicroAmiga users right? So why we bother? :-o
I'm sure that they expect to get it running on more hardware eventually. There's no point in sitting around and doing nothing until then.
This is great news.
Hans
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So why we bother?
My guess is that it's a move to leverage their position in the law suit and any negotiations. Amiga Inc has little or nothing while Hyperion is moving on to 4.1. That's got to annoy some one over at A.I.
Plaz
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Now we are back at that famous point: Hardware to run OS4 is rare and expensive.
Point for Morphos ! At least we can buy a new Efika and it is not too expensive, even considering it is not exactly state of the art...
It seems to me that it would be a nice investment to both companies to hire someone to develop new hardware to run these OS'
A small company could probably do a board design cheaper than their investment in software development.
Seems to be that we amigans are going to be extinct before this day :getmad: :boohoo:
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Announcing AmigaOS 4.1
Congratulations to everyone involved. :-D
I hope to see more information soon.
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redfox
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Plaz wrote:
So why we bother?
My guess is that it's a move to leverage their position in the law suit and any negotiations. Amiga Inc has little or nothing while Hyperion is moving on to 4.1. That's got to annoy some one over at A.I.
I do wonder what the hell Amiga, Inc. would actually do if they got their hands on OS4.
Here's one for the lawyers: Does a change in the product name, even as miniscule as a .1 release increment, constitute a "new" product, clear of the previous contract? Hyperion could dump the 4.0 code from December, 2006 (or even earlier) on Amiga, Inc., shutting down their argument of breach of contract, while the actual, important codebase has advanced considerably. OS4 has already been marketed with a new Amiga logo, so they're not in violation of the Escom-era, Bodoni-typeface trademark that Amiga, Inc. still owns...
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Show when's it going to run on a PPC MacMini?
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I just had a thought, I'd laugh my ass off if this OS4.1 install disk just happened by pure chance to work on an Efika. :-D
Could you just imagine Amiga Inc complaining to the judge that Hyperion released a disk for new and existing hardware while Hyperion's lawyers just stand their with stone-like faces and their fingers crossed and hidden behind their back saying "We were as suprised as anyone when we found out it worked on the Efika! You can't think we did it deliberately because why would we adapt our software to work on a non-partner's board?"
Nah, we couldn't be that lucky... could we? ;-)
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@ Darrin
There's only one slight problem: reading a CD on the Efika! :-)
I suspect it's more likely to "just coincidentally" work on the SAM boards, but I'm not expecting it to - I had secretly hoped for such a thing with the Classic release. I'm not holding my breath for this one..
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Matt_H wrote:
I wouldn't really call that a "pre-announcement" ... Funny that it comes hot on the heels of MorphOS2 and adds similar functionality. Brings back memories of Microsoft's announcement of the imminent release (which of course slipped) of MS-DOS version-something in order to cut sales of competitor DR-DOS.
That's *exactly my point* with "pre-announcement"! :-)
I'm *not* doubting they will release the 4.1, but in the announcement they doesn't even specify a release date, and it feels like an announcement of an announcement of a release that they made only to say "OS4 will also have MorphOS features, and quite soon as well", and as you say the timing is kind of interesting. All in all the situation is not like the "4.1 is OUT" thread I saw over at AW.net. ;-)
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Phantom wrote:
So why we bother? :-o
My sentiments exactly. I consider OS4 *dead* (or at least in Amithlon land) until Amiga Inc and Hyperion makes a joint press release proclaiming a settlement and continued joint evolution of that platform.
But that won't happen.
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takemehomegrandma wrote:
Phantom wrote:
So why we bother? :-o
My sentiments exactly. I consider OS4 *dead* (or at least in Amithlon land) until Amiga Inc and Hyperion makes a joint press release proclaiming a settlement and continued joint evolution of that platform.
But that won't happen.
We can but dream....
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@ takemehomegrandma
I think we're nitpicking over the definition of words. :-)
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@Matt_H
Funny that it comes hot on the heels of MorphOS2 and adds similar functionality.
M2 (http://www.lehtoranta.net/unsorted/Grab.png) vs. o'four 1 (http://www.hyperion-entertainment.biz:8080/images/osfour_shots/shot1.jpg) and o'four 3 (http://www.hyperion-entertainment.biz:8080/images/osfour_shots/shot3.jpg)
However transparency effect is in most cases more confusing than useful.
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@ itix
Yes, the points I was referring to were the transparency and the new list view for Workbench windows.
(I haven't tested transparency that extensively under MorphOS2, so I don't yet have an opinion on how it affects the user interface.)
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@Matt_H
Funny that it comes hot on the heels of MorphOS2 and adds similar functionality. Brings back memories of Microsoft's announcement of the imminent release (which of course slipped) of MS-DOS version-something in order to cut sales of competitor DR-DOS.
I thought that was the ol' Windows 95 vs. OS/2 Warp trick.
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However transparency effect is in most cases more confusing than useful.
Doesn't Gateway have patents on transparent windows or something. Maybe "lenticular" windows is something else. I'm sure that's the word they used back then.
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@takemehomegrandma
I'm *not* doubting they will release the 4.1, but in the announcement they doesn't even specify a release date,
They didn't, so whats this?
"Hyperion Entertainment is very pleased to announce that Amiga OS 4.1 has gone into final testing and is scheduled for release mid-Q3/2008."
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Thanks for posting the link..
The OS looks great..So only an AmigaOne can run it??
Thats seems to be an issue..unless..there will be machines available..
Rich
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Vlabguy1 wrote:
The OS looks great..So only an AmigaOne can run it??
Rich
Yep, only A1... :horse:
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Hans_ wrote:
Phantom wrote:
So AmigaOS 4.1 will be an update to the old AmigaOne or MicroAmiga users right? So why we bother? :-o
I'm sure that they expect to get it running on more hardware eventually. There's no point in sitting around and doing nothing until then.
This is great news.
Hans
You are far too optimistic ;-)
Yet... I hope you are right.
In my mind, we have been waiting for new hardware for years now so I can't see anything suddenly cropping up in the near future. Again, I hope that isn't the case but it is very easy to be negative in these times.
At least the Acorn users have new OS and hardware..
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takemehomegrandma wrote:
Matt_H wrote:
I wouldn't really call that a "pre-announcement" ... Funny that it comes hot on the heels of MorphOS2 and adds similar functionality. Brings back memories of Microsoft's announcement of the imminent release (which of course slipped) of MS-DOS version-something in order to cut sales of competitor DR-DOS.
That's *exactly my point* with "pre-announcement"! :-)
I'm *not* doubting they will release the 4.1, but in the announcement they doesn't even specify a release date, and it feels like an announcement of an announcement of a release that they made only to say "OS4 will also have MorphOS features, and quite soon as well", and as you say the timing is kind of interesting. All in all the situation is not like the "4.1 is OUT" thread I saw over at AW.net. ;-)
I think you really need to grow up.
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uncharted wrote:
takemehomegrandma wrote:
Matt_H wrote:
I wouldn't really call that a "pre-announcement" ... Funny that it comes hot on the heels of MorphOS2 and adds similar functionality. Brings back memories of Microsoft's announcement of the imminent release (which of course slipped) of MS-DOS version-something in order to cut sales of competitor DR-DOS.
That's *exactly my point* with "pre-announcement"! :-)
I'm *not* doubting they will release the 4.1, but in the announcement they doesn't even specify a release date, and it feels like an announcement of an announcement of a release that they made only to say "OS4 will also have MorphOS features, and quite soon as well", and as you say the timing is kind of interesting. All in all the situation is not like the "4.1 is OUT" thread I saw over at AW.net. ;-)
I think you really need to grow up.
Maybe he does, but he also has a point...
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Plaz wrote:
Good for Hyperion. Now some one get us enough documentation that we can start building underground mother boards in our basements, garages and spare bed rooms so we have some thing to run it on!!!
Plaz
Well, if one man can recreate the entire Classic Amiga OCS chipset in an FPGA by himself in little over one year and a couple of others can recreate and improve upon the AGA chipset, and still another single hardware designer can redesign the A1000 mobo, adding an 030/6882 IDE controller, plus 2mb Chip RAM and 8mb or 16mb Fast RAM, why can't we expect for someone, or some community group to redesign the AmigaOne hardware so we all can make our own new mobo's to run AOS4.1 on?
Not likely, but not impossible either.
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bloodline wrote:
Maybe he does, but he also has a point...
The "pre-announcement" addition to the title was a childish fanboy moment, that had no other purpose than to cause friction. Such behaviour deserves to be left in the past. His justification that there is no firm release date other than "mid-Q3/2008" is laughable when MorphOS 2.0 recently hit it's "Q2/2008"
Hello Pot, meet Kettle.
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uncharted wrote:
bloodline wrote:
Maybe he does, but he also has a point...
The "pre-announcement" addition to the title was a childish fanboy moment, that had no other purpose than to cause friction. Such behaviour deserves to be left in the past. His justification that there is no firm release date other than "mid-Q3/2008" is laughable when MorphOS 2.0 recently hit it's "Q2/2008"
Hello Pot, meet Kettle.
Yeah, true, but I don't get the pre-announcement thing... I prefer the Apple approach who don't announce anything without a firm release date.. Even if by release they mean just 18 phones...
Anyway MOS 2.0 was right on schedule... 21st Century on the dot!
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Matt_H wrote:
Here's one for the lawyers: Does a change in the product name, even as miniscule as a .1 release increment, constitute a "new" product, clear of the previous contract? Hyperion could dump the 4.0 code from December, 2006 (or even earlier) on Amiga, Inc., shutting down their argument of breach of contract, while the actual, important codebase has advanced considerably. OS4 has already been marketed with a new Amiga logo, so they're not in violation of the Escom-era, Bodoni-typeface trademark that Amiga, Inc. still owns...
Only when they could proove that no AmigaOS1.0-4.0 sources were used in the creation of 4.1 ..... and offcourse AInc (one of them) also owns the trademark "Amiga" itself.
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Dragster wrote:
Nice, any updates on OS4 for the so-called "classics"?
AHI and BVPPC?CVPPC drivers should be fixed...
Cheers
AmigaOne only Dragster....
Still no fix for the SLOWWWWwwwwww iBrowse 2.4 on OS4 Classic either. About right eh! :roll:
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@ Kronos
Well, the filesystem is definitely new, so no trouble there.
Amiga, Inc. has the "Amiga" trademark, but do they have the "AmigaOS4.1" trademark? Can Hyperion successfully argue that it's not a derivative work? That's why I summoned the lawyers :-)
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@ uncharted
Relax, it's just a little fun with words. We've got to learn to laugh at ourselves as a community after all nonsense over the years.
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I wonder how Hyperion stays in business if hardware is so scarce. Yes, this definitely may be "exiting" (someone's typo) because couple of more versions and Hyperion may be exiting the market for the lack of takers.
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HopperJF wrote:
I'm sure that they expect to get it running on more hardware eventually. There's no point in sitting around and doing nothing until then.
This is great news.
Hans
You are far too optimistic ;-)
Yet... I hope you are right.
In my mind, we have been waiting for new hardware for years now so I can't see anything suddenly cropping up in the near future. Again, I hope that isn't the case but it is very easy to be negative in these times.
Well I have an Amigaone, so there's a reason for my optimism. So far the OS4 devs have done what they said that they would do. Supporting more hardware is on their list. Given that they're still actively working on the OS, I'm expecting them to make it happen when they are allowed to do so.
Hans
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bloodline wrote:
Yeah, true, but I don't get the pre-announcement thing... I prefer the Apple approach who don't announce anything without a firm release date.. Even if by release they mean just 18 phones...
Anyway MOS 2.0 was right on schedule... 21st Century on the dot!
I have a feeling that they weren't planning to announce it until later. However, given MOS2's release, and some people getting the feeling that OS4 was starting to lag behind, it makes sense for them to let everyone know that progress has been good. I personally hadn't expected the hardware based compositing etc. this soon.
Hans
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Matt_H wrote:
@ uncharted
Relax, it's just a little fun with words. We've got to learn to laugh at ourselves as a community after all nonsense over the years.
There was nothing "fun" about it. It was a snide comment, reminiscent of the bad old days and totally unnecessary.
I was hoping after the general good behaviour around the MOS2.0 announcement that we'd maybe turned a corner. However it seems there are some who still want to hold on to the old blue/red crap.
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Anyone have any insider info?
As someone before me mentioned seems insane to develop this for A1 and eventually AmigaPPC.
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Amiga, Inc. has the "Amiga" trademark, but do they have the "AmigaOS4.1" trademark?
They dont have to. You can not register "AmigaOS" trademark (if not already registered) because it contains word Amiga which is registered trademark of Amiga, Inc. and their trademark is used for similar stuff.
Hyperion Entertainment could maybe get away by using AOS acronym. There is already ACube which stands for Amiga Cube but officially there is only "ACube".
Can Hyperion successfully argue that it's not a derivative work?
That would be cool ;-)
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All 5 existing OS 4 users will be clapping their hands in glee at this announcement.
In other news, PPC cards double in price on Fleabay.
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uncharted wrote:
Matt_H wrote:
@ uncharted
Relax, it's just a little fun with words. We've got to learn to laugh at ourselves as a community after all nonsense over the years.
There was nothing "fun" about it. It was a snide comment, reminiscent of the bad old days and totally unnecessary.
I was hoping after the general good behaviour around the MOS2.0 announcement that we'd maybe turned a corner.
But FFS, you are blowing this way out of proportions. Besides, FACTS are:
1. OS 4.1 isn't available today despite this announcement.
2. Its release date is not even known. Both availability and price are to be made public in a *later* announcement, possibly the real announcement announcing the product (and I quote from the announcement in question: "Details on pricing and availability will be forthcoming").
3. So there will obviously be a *new* announcement in a more or less close future saying "OS 4.1 is now released", but *this announcement was not it*! You can call it "a heads up" or or you can call it a "pre-announcement", but that's what it is!
Nothing more to it than this, so relax!
On AW.net I saw a thread labeled "OS4.1 is OUT", but *it's not*, the only thing that is out now is an announcement saying that a new version of Hyperion's OS will soon come, and it will have some of the features seen in MorphOS 2.0, plus some different ones.
No product, no date, no price info as of now. All that will come *later*.
What came now was a pre-announcement with a funny timing (right after the MorphOS 2.0 release) with an *obvious* intention behind it (nothing wrong with that intentions, those means of competition can go both ways).
However it seems there are some who still want to hold on to the old blue/red crap.
Only you mate, only you. No one else here is doing what you do.
Now please stop this crap. :pissed:
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itix wrote:
Can Hyperion successfully argue that it's not a derivative work?
That would be cool ;-)
Indeed it would, and it would also bring good things to MorphOS as well! As far as we know, Amiga Inc are still considering MorphOS to be illegal (noncense of course). But if Hyperion would manage to get a court order proclaiming that they have the full rights to OS4, despite the obvious ties to Amiga Inc IP, then this will work as a precedent to the MorphOS situation as well, since no ties whatsoever exists between MorphOS and Amiga Inc IP. If OS4 goes safe from future legal {bleep}, then MorphOS will go safe even more! :-)
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But FFS, you are blowing this way out of proportions. Besides, FACTS are:
1. OS 4.1 isn't available today despite this announcement.
announcement
noun
a public and typically formal statement about a fact, occurrence, or intention
(Oxford American Dictionaries - emphasis mine)
2. Its release date is not even known. Both availability and price are to be made public in a *later* announcement, possibly the real announcement announcing the product (and I quote from the announcement in question: "Details on pricing and availability will be forthcoming").
From the press release:
is scheduled for release mid-Q3/2008
There is the release date right there. If you don't except that as a valid date because it is not precise enough then you are being hypocritical considering a certain recent event.
Availability != release date. There are other aspects of availability such as where a product is available from, and how to obtain it. Release date is only a portion of this and has already been covered.
3. So there will obviously be a *new* announcement in a more or less close future saying "OS 4.1 is now released", but *this announcement was not it*! You can call it "a heads up" or or you can call it a "pre-announcement", but that's what it is!
No, you can call it an announcement, because that is what it is. The irony that you've called it such in your "facts" seems to drive the point home. There is no such thing as a "pre-announcement". Where are all the articles proclaiming Apple "pre-announcing" Leopard or Microsoft "pre-announcing" Vista? The only real fact is you added that to give a negative connotation to the title. A very childish thing to do.
However, I'm sorry I've clogged up the thread with this. Nothing more from me on the subject.
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takemehomegrandma wrote:
Indeed it would, and it would also bring good things to MorphOS as well! As far as we know, Amiga Inc are still considering MorphOS to be illegal (noncense of course). But if Hyperion would manage to get a court order proclaiming that they have the full rights to OS4, despite the obvious ties to Amiga Inc IP, then this will work as a precedent to the MorphOS situation as well, since no ties whatsoever exists between MorphOS and Amiga Inc IP. If OS4 goes safe from future legal {bleep}, then MorphOS will go safe even more! :-)
Depends on how they claim it is illegal. If they claim that it contains stolen 3.1 code for example, then any previous legal result against Hyperion simply wouldn't matter. The MorphOS Team could still find themselves having to go to court and going through the tedious process of proving themselves innocent.
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Will this be available as an upgrade to OS4.0 or will people have to buy OS4.1 at the full price?
And will it fix the problems with memory addressing and hardware drivers.
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@uncharted
I think you really need to grow up.
In all cases, that phrase is an insult that means "what you think is stupid and you should start thinking like me". People should stop using it.
:roll:
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Ho Hum . . .
Wake me when its available with new hardware . . . :roll:
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I had some spare time this week and tracked down a company which claims to be able to reverse engineer any circuit board, build a copy of the board, identify the components and even source the components to build a fully functional clone.
A cloned PPC board, rebuilt and produced in batches would still be way too expensive (it would cost as much as a high-end laptop). However you look at it, PPC is not cost-effective and will *never* appeal to a broad user base.
Five current users of Amiga OS 4 will certainly disagree with me.
Why not try out the Efika board and MorphOS 2.0? The entire Efikacomputer costs less than a half what an average PPC card fetches on ebay.
Now, I have not tried MorphOS yet, but this seems like a viable solution. Has anyone tried out MorphOS (binary compatibility?) with Efika 5K2 board?
UPDATE: Just read another thread about instability of MorphOS and Efika.
Nothing like booting up OS 3.9
:-D
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OS4Emu 2.0 released! (http://amigazeux.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=71)
*giggle*
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I don't know if it is an upgrade or a stand alone version, but 4.1 will cost you 105 EUR + VAT, which comes e.g. in Germany (19% VAT) to 125 EUR.