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Coffee House => Coffee House Boards => CH / Science and Technology => Topic started by: motorollin on July 11, 2008, 12:34:24 PM
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Anyone else get one of these beauties today? Bloodline and I both got 16 gig versions :-D
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moto
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I plan to get one once the hoo har has died down, apparently it can run mono . :-D
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Apple sluts! :lol:
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nadoom wrote:
I plan to get one once the hoo har has died down
The hoo har was fun :-) Despite the ridiculous time I left my house to bike to the O2 shop and start queueing, I actually enjoyed the whole process! The people next to me in the queue were all really nice, and the whole thing was quite exciting. Though when O2's systems started crashing and I was 3 from the front I started getting quite anxious that I would have to leave for work before I got mine!
nadoom wrote:
apparently it can run mono . :-D
Infectious mononucleosis?
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moto
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Apple sluts! :lol:
You say that like it's a bad thing ;-)
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moto
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motorollin wrote:
Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Apple sluts! :lol:
You say that like it's a bad thing ;-)
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moto
Unfortunately, it's an expensive kind of slut to be... But Moto is right the atmosphere in the queue was wonderful, the guys around me were a good laugh... Especially the drunk ones... But I do feel both O2 and apple could have handled this much better... Still... I have one of the first few 16gig iPhone 3Gs in the country!
Can't wait to fire OS2.0 up and see what it does...
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bloodline wrote:
motorollin wrote:
Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Apple sluts! :lol:
You say that like it's a bad thing ;-)
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moto
Unfortunately, it's an expensive kind of slut to be...
Indeed, you're no cheap sluts! ;-)
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bloodline wrote:
Can't wait to fire OS2.0 up and see what it does...
Why was I thinking of Workbench 2.0? :lol:
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
bloodline wrote:
Can't wait to fire OS2.0 up and see what it does...
Why was I thinking of Workbench 2.0? :lol:
Well, the iPhone is the 21century Amiga...
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motorollin wrote:
Anyone else get one of these beauties today? Bloodline and I both got 16 gig versions :-D
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moto
so you and Bloodline can walk down the street hand in hand singing??
:lol:
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bloodline wrote:
Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
bloodline wrote:
Can't wait to fire OS2.0 up and see what it does...
Why was I thinking of Workbench 2.0? :lol:
Well, the iPhone is the 21century Amiga...
Making exaggaration an art... :lol:
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cecilia wrote:
motorollin wrote:
Anyone else get one of these beauties today? Bloodline and I both got 16 gig versions :-D
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moto
so you and Bloodline can walk down the street hand in hand singing??
:lol:
I'd rather just..... SING! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJEgqhzwz0o)
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@cecilia
Indeed we could! But it's raining, so maybe not ;-)
I have to say, I'm not impressed with Apple and O2's handling of the iPhone 3G. First of all I registered my interest in the phone with O2. They provided regular status updates, and on Monday I got an SMS saying that some stock is available to pre-order early online. I tried to to so, but the site kept timing out. Thousands of others had the same problem and missed out. But O2 knew that 200,000 people had already registered their interest, so surely they could have anticipated this! Then I got a message from O2 saying that they had sold so many online that there would only be a few DOZEN in stores on launch day! So I got there very, very early to make sure I got one. Store opened, and the first few customers went in (I was 12th from the front). As soon as they started trying to register the phones, their systems started crashing due to the load. Again, surely this could have been anticipated. They resorted to doing all the registration on paper. Once I got home, it took several hours to get the online activation to work, as the iTunes Store was so overloaded it either errored immediately or timed out. Really Apple and O2, you should have seen this coming and adjusted your infrastructure accordingly :roll:
However, I have finally got it activated and it synchronised effortlessly. So I'm happy! Sorry for the rant... the tiredness has just caught up with me :-)
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moto
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Good little consumers, you've done your part for the economy again =).
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odin wrote:
Good little consumers, you've done your part for the economy again =).
Good we may be, but happy I am... This device is brilliant!
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odin wrote:
Good little consumers
Yes, we have once again been brainwashed by the capitalist pigs ;-)
odin wrote:
you've done your part for the economy again =).
True! That's how I justify most expensive purchases. Recessions have their upsides...
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moto
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motorollin wrote:
odin wrote:
Good little consumers
Yes, we have once again been brainwashed by the capitalist pigs ;-)
I did feel like I was living in the Soviet Union... Queuing for a slightly better Phone than the one I already had... And of which I knew there were so few that I might be queuing in vain... Ok, not quite like queuing for a loaf of bread, but you know what I mean :-)
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I think it's rather Calvinism than communism why we (Odin and I) feel a bit repulsed by buying such expensive gadgets.
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
I think it's rather Calvinism than communism why we (Odin and I) feel a bit repulsed by buying such expensive gadgets.
The problem is that once you use the gadget... You realize exactly how and why it fits perfectly into one's life... The price isn't that much when you realise that it is the device you dreamed about 10 years ago!
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True, when I bought my Amiga it was cutting edge, it's the same reason I have a dual quad core Mac Pro. These devices are the stuff of dreams.
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
bloodline wrote:
Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
bloodline wrote:
Can't wait to fire OS2.0 up and see what it does...
Why was I thinking of Workbench 2.0? :lol:
Well, the iPhone is the 21century Amiga...
Making exaggaration an art... :lol:
Well, Like the Amiga in the '80s, the iPhone brings together a lot of different pre-existing technologies into one single platform. It does so at a price and form factor that is convienient and useful for the average user.
It has a focus on multimedia in a market that has been lacking in that area for a long time.
The iPhone is the new Amiga.
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:roll:
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Can I open a terminal on an iPhone and type commands it it? I'd love to be able to ssh into my servers at work!
I agree, the iPhone *is* the 21st C Amiga.
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persia wrote:
Can I open a terminal on an iPhone and type commands it it? I'd love to be able to ssh into my servers at work!
I agree, the iPhone *is* the 21st C Amiga.
(http://nicemac.com/Smileys/nicemac_default_size/nicemac_smiley.gif)
Actually you can, I used to run one on my old iPhone... It was brilliant... Sadly there isn't a terminal app for OS 2.0 yet, but I expect one will come soon... Or even just port one yourself :-)
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persia wrote:
Can I open a terminal on an iPhone and type commands it it? I'd love to be able to ssh into my servers at work!
I agree, the iPhone *is* the 21st C Amiga.
(http://nicemac.com/Smileys/nicemac_default_size/nicemac_smiley.gif)
A terminal App has just been released :-D
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TBH I thought of my Palm M100 to be miggy-like back in 1998 (or something). Inventive, versatile and very easy to use.
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BAA! HOOEY!
The I phone is just another fancy fad that will be gone in a years or so. God, I can't believe all the MAC cronies with their look at the shiny rock routine. There are much better phones on the market people, wake up and smell reality!
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I wouldn't be using the iPhone if it wasn't a great product. I've tried the alternatives and they don't come close. Using a good product made by Apple has nothing to do with being a "MAC [sic] crony".
Grow up :roll:
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Hey, I used the iphone, and I got rid of it within the first week I had it. I have an older Treo 680, that (other than the OS crashes every once and a while) I would recommend any day over the iPhone- besides the palm OS has hundreds of thousands of free apps, it can do everything and more better than the iPhone and its 2 years older. The hype has snowballed so out of control, its too funny. If Steve packaged up his feces in a nice shiny metal acrylic case, and called it the iCrap, it would sell.
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Does this new iPhone have a good camera and is it able to capture and play DVD-Like video? Can you Bluetooth files to your mates with it?
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@quarkx
I also like Palm OS. Before I had my iPhone I had a Treo 600 and I loved it. But the iPhone is more stable and better integrated than Palm devices. I really don't care who the device is made by. It really irritates me when people accuse me of being an Apple "fanboy" or whatever just because I have an iPhone. I use the iPhone because I like it more than the alternatives, not because it's made by Apple.
@A4000_Mad
The iPhone 3G's camera is the same as the previous iPhone. It can't capture DVD quality video, but it can play back high quality video. You can't (AFAIK) send files to other people via bluetooth. Fortunately for me, none of those features are important in the slightest.
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quarkx wrote:
Hey, I used the iphone, and I got rid of it within the first week I had it.
:lol: Seriously how dumb do you have to be to not be able to figure out an iPhone?
No, that's a serious question! I honestly don't know..
I have an older Treo 680, that (other than the OS crashes every once and a while) I would recommend any day over the iPhone- besides the palm OS has hundreds of thousands of free apps,
Just like the iPhone...
it can do everything and more better than the iPhone and its 2 years older.
I get it now, your first sentence was a LIE... It you had really used an iPhone you'd be embarrassed that you posted this sentence.
The hype has snowballed so out of control, its too funny. If Steve packaged up his feces in a nice shiny metal acrylic case, and called it the iCrap, it would sell.
It probably would, But I wouldn't find much use for it... I think you are just jealous... no one would give you anything for your {bleep}e...
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Hey, I NEVER SAID I couldn't figure it out,I just didn't like it at all - so please Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't like the way the texting worked, the layout of the unit, I could go on and on- etc. Face the facts, some people don't think the Iphone is God's gift to humanity. I much preferred my Treo. the Treo was / is a lot simpler if you are use to the Palm OS. For someone that had the Palm since almost day 1 (started with the original Pilot Pro).
But hey, lets have this debate in a year from now, when all the hoopla has faded away and the next big phone will be out.
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quarkx wrote:
Hey, I NEVER SAID I couldn't figure it out,I just didn't like it at all. I didn't like they way the texting worked,
Yeah, qwerty can a bit hard to figure out... no wait...
they layout of the unit etc.
Once you figure out that with a touch screen, when you touch the screen where the icon is, that activates the icon, then you start to get a feel for the device.
I much preferred my Treo. the Treo was / is a lot simpler if you are use to the Palm OS.
I know, change is hard!
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Umm, I think you sarcasm is misplaced. The Treo also has touch screen, Icons and a REAL Querty keyboard. The treo has its (long list) of faults also, but Like I said, after a week of using the iphone, I was not impressed enough to keep it. You are misguided to think everyone loves the iphone or will love it once they get their hands on it. But hey! keep up the good blind faith marketing for APPLE. They love you for it.
(now my sarcasm is misplaced :-o )
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quarkx wrote:
Umm, I think you sarcasm is misplaced. The Treo also has touch screen, Icons and a REAL Querty keyboard. The treo has its (long list) of faults also, but Like I said, after a week of using the iphone, I was not impressed enough to keep it. You are misguided to think everyone loves the iphone or will love it once they get their hands on it. But hey! keep up the good blind faith marketing for APPLE. They love you for it.
(now my sarcasm is misplaced :-o )
Oh yeah, that's really sarcastic... :roll:
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I can see where you're comming from with regards the iPhone being the next amiga, but, respectfully I must disagree, I personally would argue that the EeePC would be a better fit - it takes comparatively modest hardware and does a huge amount with it (with Xandros), further, it is cheep and easy to use.
I have played with the iPhone and really do like it, no doubt this will also brand me a fanboi, just as would my previously owning a Newton would... :roll:
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the_leander wrote:
I can see where you're comming from with regards the iPhone being the next amiga, but, respectfully I must disagree, I personally would argue that the EeePC would be a better fit - it takes comparatively modest hardware and does a huge amount with it (with Xandros), further, it is cheep and easy to use.
The iPhone operates in the mobile space, the EeePC while ultraportable, is still very much in the desktop mould. They don't overlap markets, so I have no problem with your definition.
I have played with the iPhone and really do like it, no doubt this will also brand me a fanboi, just as would my previously owning a Newton would... :roll:
I'm absolutely in love with my iPhone. As, I'm sure you've found your EeePC, it totally fits with my lifestyle :-)
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bloodline wrote:
the_leander wrote:
I can see where you're comming from with regards the iPhone being the next amiga, but, respectfully I must disagree, I personally would argue that the EeePC would be a better fit - it takes comparatively modest hardware and does a huge amount with it (with Xandros), further, it is cheep and easy to use.
The iPhone operates in the mobile space, the EeePC while ultraportable, is still very much in the desktop mould. They don't overlap markets, so I have no problem with your definition.
Add a huwaei E220 hsdpa modem for £50 pay as you go and it'll do the intarwebs very nicely too :-)
I have played with the iPhone and really do like it, no doubt this will also brand me a fanboi, just as would my previously owning a Newton would... :roll:
I'm absolutely in love with my iPhone. As, I'm sure you've found your EeePC, it totally fits with my lifestyle :-)
Definately, the thing that would put me off using an iPhone is that I do a huge amount of typing, I suspect that after just a few chapters of Legacy I would have killed large portions of any touchscreen device ;-)
I was in the process of building a full desktop after my last one got nicked from storage, however, my monitor blew up and I was given a choice - £200 to get the bits I had been given by Karlos up and running and a new monitor, or an EeePC that I could take with me no matter where I went.
I'll still build the desktop, I do like a couple of games that the EeePC simply cannot run, but for now, it's my only computer and in truth, I've never been happier. :-D
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Apple is thinking about bring back the Newton! Although, I don't see a reason for it because of the Touch.
Link (http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/07/24/apple-dusts-newton)
But, I am looking at a Blackberry for my next phone, the curve is Identical to the Treo, but without a touch screen, and far less apps.
I don't use my EEEPC at all anymore , now that I have a full size laptop. The unit was nice, and the size and weight, but the 4 gig SSD was the killer for me. ASUS now has models with regular 30-40 gig drives, so I might look at one of those.
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quarkx wrote:
Apple is thinking about bring back the Newton! Although, I don't see a reason for it because of the Touch.
Link (http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/07/24/apple-dusts-newton)
I don't see the reason for a new newton because of the iPhone or Treo or any number of smart phones - all of them have the functionality the Newton and later Palm devices had *and* have the ability to make phone and data calls. The PDA as I see it is pretty much obsolete at this point.
quarkx wrote:
But, I am looking at a Blackberry for my next phone, the curve is Identical to the Treo, but without a touch screen, and far less apps.
Why not get another treo then?
quarkx wrote:
I don't use my EEEPC at all anymore , now that I have a full size laptop. The unit was nice, and the size and weight, but the 4 gig SSD was the killer for me. ASUS now has models with regular 30-40 gig drives, so I might look at one of those.
Given your blood hatred of Linux yeah, I'd say your ownly option would be one of the hd based variants. If you weren't so against Linux I'd suggest trying Elive on it.
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LOL, if you go back and actually read my post, no where did it say I hate linux. But hey keep thinking what you want. I am a Microsoft supporter, but even I hate Vista. oh, well.
I own a computer store, and I can't keep the EEEPC in stock, but everyone I have ever sold (over a 100 just last month alone), the customer has demanded XP installed.I don't hate linux, I just don't use linux and get a huge kick at how the Zelots re-act to anti -linux comments. I do hink 4 gig SSD drive are totaly useless for anything. Even if I did run linux, I would want to put movies and such on my EEEPC for traveling, and defiantly more than one.4 gigs is just not enough to store anything on these days. In order to make it usable, you have to buy extra SD cards.
the_leander wrote:
quarkx wrote:
Apple is thinking about bring back the Newton! Although, I don't see a reason for it because of the Touch.
Link (http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/07/24/apple-dusts-newton)
I don't see the reason for a new newton because of the iPhone or Treo or any number of smart phones - all of them have the functionality the Newton and later Palm devices had *and* have the ability to make phone and data calls. The PDA as I see it is pretty much obsolete at this point.
quarkx wrote:
But, I am looking at a Blackberry for my next phone, the curve is Identical to the Treo, but without a touch screen, and far less apps.
Why not get another treo then?
Unfortunately, Palm is not really updating the PALM OS anymore (not even made or owned by PALM) and is mostly going to Windows Mobile. The Blackberry is quickly becoming the standard, especially in the business world. Eventually, I will be called on to service and support Blackberry products. Windows Mobile has a good head start here in Canada, but it's the Blackberry that will be number 1 in a year or so.
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quarkx wrote:
LOL, if you go back and actually read my post, no where did it say I hate linux. But hey keep thinking what you want.
I'm sorry, you start off with an anti linux rant, so excuse me if I am mistaken in seeing you as someone who dislikes linux.
If that isn't the case, try Elive.
quarkx wrote:
I am a Microsoft supporter, but even I hate Vista. oh, well.
I think everyone hates Vista, not sure it's entirely deserved, but ya, seems to be pretty much universal.
quarkx wrote:
I own a computer store, and I can't keep the EEEPC in stock, but everyone I have ever sold (over a 100 just last month alone), the customer has demanded XP installed.
It'll be interesting to see what'll happen when these folks find their OS is orphaned in what, a years time or so?
quarkx wrote:
I don't hate linux, I just don't use linux and get a huge kick at how the Zelots re-act to anti -linux comments.
Ah, so you enjoy trolling.
K, noted.
quarkx wrote:
I do hink 4 gig SSD drive are totaly useless for anything. Even if I did run linux, I would want to put movies and such on my EEEPC for traveling, and defiantly more than one.4 gigs is just not enough to store anything on these days. In order to make it usable, you have to buy extra SD cards.
I can't argue that - first thing I did with my 2Gb version was buy a 4Gb USB stick to do the same.
That said, without the movies, 2Gb is plenty for my needs - text takes up surprisingly little space.
quarkx wrote:
the_leander wrote:
quarkx wrote:
But, I am looking at a Blackberry for my next phone, the curve is Identical to the Treo, but without a touch screen, and far less apps.
Why not get another treo then?
Unfortunately, Palm is not really updating the PALM OS anymore (not even made or owned by PALM) and is mostly going to Windows Mobile. The Blackberry is quickly becoming the standard, especially in the business world. Eventually, I will be called on to service and support Blackberry products. Windows Mobile has a good head start here in Canada, but it's the Blackberry that will be number 1 in a year or so.
Its Access who own them now, they also own (through the palm deal) BeOS.
I doubt we'll be seeing any releases from Access any time soon tbh. Shame because PalmOS 6 was shaping up to be very, very cool.
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motorollin wrote:
@A4000_Mad
The iPhone 3G's camera is the same as the previous iPhone. It can't capture DVD quality video, but it can play back high quality video. You can't (AFAIK) send files to other people via bluetooth. Fortunately for me, none of those features are important in the slightest.
Thanks moto,
I'll have to get a closer look by heading to the O2 shop and pretending I'm about to buy one :-D
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the_leander wrote:
Its Access who own them now, they also own (through the palm deal) BeOS.
I doubt we'll be seeing any releases from Access any time soon tbh. Shame because PalmOS 6 was shaping up to be very, very cool.
Too bad... My Palm M100 was a joy to work with, unfortunately it died. :-(
I've worked for a short time with a Windows PDA (to program a little program in C#), and it's utter SH*TE, it's really, really bad. It punches the user in the face, so bad is it's user unfriendlyness. And with that, it's unreliable.
Anytime I choose an old M100 rather than the newest of the new Windows PDA's.
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A4000_Mad wrote:
motorollin wrote:
@A4000_Mad
The iPhone 3G's camera is the same as the previous iPhone. It can't capture DVD quality video, but it can play back high quality video. You can't (AFAIK) send files to other people via bluetooth. Fortunately for me, none of those features are important in the slightest.
Thanks moto,
I'll have to get a closer look by heading to the O2 shop and pretending I'm about to buy one :-D
You must just have a play :-)
Unfortunately most of the good functionality is provided by (mostly free) 3rd Party Apps... So the iPhone you see in the shop is this:
Mobile Phone
Email Client
Web browser
Personal Organiser
Video Player (including YouTube)
Mp3 Player
Fashion accessory
That is the core device...
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Can't afford one... Maybe if the capacity was much greater, I'd be into it. I could ditch my proper iPod and justify it that way.
But I've nearly filled my 160GB Classic and I've got a perfectly functional phone anyway. Maybe in a few years when SSD is cheaper.
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NoFastMem wrote:
Can't afford one... Maybe if the capacity was much greater, I'd be into it. I could ditch my proper iPod and justify it that way.
But I've nearly filled my 160GB Classic and I've got a perfectly functional phone anyway. Maybe in a few years when SSD is cheaper.
For me a 32gig iPhone would be the sweet spot... but I am making do with 16...
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I got a 3G phone years ago, no queuing required ;)
bloodline wrote:
Well, Like the Amiga in the '80s, the iPhone brings together a lot of different pre-existing technologies into one single platform. It does so at a price and form factor that is convienient and useful for the average user.
It has a focus on multimedia in a market that has been lacking in that area for a long time.
The iPhone is the new Amiga.
Not really, it's more like a new Windows 95: Bringing together things that other products have done years before, but for some reason getting lots more hype. The only thing nifty about the Iphone that's not so common in other phones is touchscreen, but even so that's not unique (and I don't think Apple were the first with this feature, either?) Also no Amiga had a bug as fundamental as not having copy/paste.
What's odd is that a lot of features hyped about the Iphone aren't even unique to smartphones (e.g., accessing the Internet, or multimedia).
Although I might agree that it's a "new Amiga" in the sense of a "post Commodore new Amiga" rather than "groundbreaking like the A1000 was" - lacks Java, overpriced, lags behind in features like 3G...
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mdwh2 wrote:
I got a 3G phone years ago, no queuing required ;)
bloodline wrote:
Well, Like the Amiga in the '80s, the iPhone brings together a lot of different pre-existing technologies into one single platform. It does so at a price and form factor that is convienient and useful for the average user.
It has a focus on multimedia in a market that has been lacking in that area for a long time.
The iPhone is the new Amiga.
Not really, it's more like a new Windows 95: Bringing together things that other products have done years before
All the Amiga did was bring together pre-existing technologies, the amiga just had exactly what the market needed in one single package.
but for some reason getting lots more hype.
Because the Phone/Mobile device market was stagnant... it has been around for about 10 years and companies had become obsessed with adding things like higher resolution cameras... without innovating or even giving the user what the user actually wants!
The Market has traditionally been aimed at boring geeks who love to sprout off numbers and specs... Apple make devices for real people.
The only thing nifty about the Iphone that's not so common in other phones is touchscreen, but even so that's not unique (and I don't think Apple were the first with this feature, either?)
There is nothing innovative about the touchscreen (except perhaps that Apple use a capacitive screen and the others tend to use pressure sensitive screens)... Touchscreen have been around for years, and no one ever found them useful... It is the user interface under the touchscreen that Apple got right. All the other manufacturers thought that the interface under the touchscreen didn't need to be updated from the old mouse driven model... they even required a stylus!!! Apple developed a new interface, that was designed to be driven by the users finger... that is why the iPhone feels so great to use.
Also no Amiga had a bug as fundamental as not having copy/paste.
As stated by in the Apple Technology conferences... that was a design decision... It was a feature that needed more time to develop and the decision was to leave it out of V2.0 and focus on feature that would be more useful to the general public.
What's odd is that a lot of features hyped about the Iphone aren't even unique to smartphones (e.g., accessing the Internet, or multimedia).
Because you are a computer geek, don't understand the concept of usability. The iPhone integrates these features into a single usable package. the iPhone's internet browser is about a billion years ahead of any other mobile device!!! I don't even bother with turning real computers on any more!!!
Although I might agree that it's a "new Amiga" in the sense of a "post Commodore new Amiga" rather than "groundbreaking like the A1000 was" - lacks Java, overpriced, lags behind in features like 3G...
The A1000 lacked standard features like CP/M compatibility.
The A1000 lagged behind others, I note the Atari's MIDI ports.
The A1000 was massively more expensive than the competition.
Don't look back with rose tinted glasses.
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bloodline wrote:
All the Amiga did was bring together pre-existing technologies, the amiga just had exactly what the market needed in one single package.
The Amiga was first to bring it in a single package. The Iphone wasn't. (What does it bring in a single package?) It's Windows 95 - doing what other phones have done for years (including in a single package).
Because the Phone/Mobile device market was stagnant... it has been around for about 10 years and companies had become obsessed with adding things like higher resolution cameras... without innovating or even giving the user what the user actually wants!
Not here in Europe it isn't. Phones have changed dramatically in the last 10 years, going from simple devices with only SMS and maybe WAP, to basically being mobile computing devices, with fast Internet connection, video, music, being able to run applications. That's on a bog-standard low end phone. The Iphone isn't bad, but in what sense has it revolutionised a "stagnant" market? Why do things like "high resolution cameras" get dismissed as things no one wants, but being able to play music like an Ipod gets cited as a good thing?
The Market has traditionally been aimed at boring geeks who love to sprout off numbers and specs... Apple make devices for real people.
Where do you live? The mobile market has practically reached 100%. And whilst smartphones may be more a niche market, (a) the Iphone hasn't changed this (it's still mainly geeks that seem to talk about it), and (b) smartphones are not only used by "boring geeks".
There is nothing innovative about the touchscreen (except perhaps that Apple use a capacitive screen and the others tend to use pressure sensitive screens)
But isn't multitouch the key point that's a recent development? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-touch says that the Iphone was the first phone to have multi-touch. So yes, I'll concede that this was an innovation, but it also means you can't say their interface was better with the same technology, when the technology had a fundamental distinction. And also there are other new phones that have multitouch now. As time progresses, phones become more advanced - that's always the case, there's always new phones coming out which are cutting edge the moment they are released. There's nothing special about the Iphone in the big picture.
As stated by in the Apple Technology conferences... that was a design decision... It was a feature that needed more time to develop and the decision was to leave it out of V2.0 and focus on feature that would be more useful to the general public.
The more I hear about it, the more it gets worse. Not having copy and paste is a _design decision_? How could it not have been developed properly? I don't need a phone that makes those sorts of design decisions...
Because you are a computer geek, don't understand the concept of usability. The iPhone integrates these features into a single usable package. the iPhone's internet browser is about a billion years ahead of any other mobile device!!! I don't even bother with turning real computers on any more!!!
As a computer geek, I am most certainly aware of UI concepts. It's Iphone lovers who claim it has a better UI, but are suspiciously never able to explain how it is better. Phones have been combining these features into a single usable package for years.
The Iphone's brower isn't any better than that on many smartphones - and even bog standard phones can run Opera Mini now, anyway.
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mdwh2 wrote:
bloodline wrote:
All the Amiga did was bring together pre-existing technologies, the amiga just had exactly what the market needed in one single package.
The Amiga was first to bring it in a single package. The Iphone wasn't. (What does it bring in a single package?) It's Windows 95 - doing what other phones have done for years (including in a single package).
You are just arguing semantics, I notice you removed my criticism of the A1000.
Both Win95 and the Amiga did something special, bringing together technology, in a way the market needed. That is why they were popular.
Because the Phone/Mobile device market was stagnant... it has been around for about 10 years and companies had become obsessed with adding things like higher resolution cameras... without innovating or even giving the user what the user actually wants!
Not here in Europe it isn't.
I don't know what it's like in Europe, but I assume it's like the UK...
Phones have changed dramatically in the last 10 years, going from simple devices with only SMS and maybe WAP, to basically being mobile computing devices, with fast Internet connection, video, music, being able to run applications. That's on a bog-standard low end phone.
No, they added these features... they didn't integrate them.
The Iphone isn't bad, but in what sense has it revolutionised a "stagnant" market?
Every other phone manufacturer is now trying to make their phones more like the iPhone... We had insane demand worldwide, for the device.
People in the street are talking about the iPhone... I've not seen that happen in the mobile market for a long time if at all...
Why do things like "high resolution cameras" get dismissed as things no one wants, but being able to play music like an Ipod gets cited as a good thing?
The iPhone has a totally new user interface. It has fully integrated network functionality into the basic functionality of the device... Apps work together, the web browser is central to the functionality to the device. The App Store and iTunes store integration are unique... and Yes, it has a built in iPod, which is the worlds most popular media player, which is a nice value add.
The Market has traditionally been aimed at boring geeks who love to sprout off numbers and specs... Apple make devices for real people.
Where do you live? The mobile market has practically reached 100%. And whilst smartphones may be more a niche market, (a) the Iphone hasn't changed this (it's still mainly geeks that seem to talk about it), and (b) smartphones are not only used by "boring geeks".
The UK... and yes the Mobile Market is 100%... there is no way for a manufacturer to get an in... without something special... which Apple have managed to do.
Real people are talking about the iPhone... people are saying... "I was going to get an iPod, but I might as well get an iPhone". Real people can use the iPhone, I showed my HP 4510 to my grandparents a few years ago they were just confused by it... even my father (an engineer by trade), had little interest in the device... I showed these same people the iPhone, and they get it... even my grandmother who is now suffering from the early stages of Alzheimer's had no difficulty operating the device and even figured out the Photo app and looked at photos of my trip to Germany!
There is nothing innovative about the touchscreen (except perhaps that Apple use a capacitive screen and the others tend to use pressure sensitive screens)
But isn't multitouch the key point that's a recent development? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-touch says that the Iphone was the first phone to have multi-touch. So yes, I'll concede that this was an innovation, but it also means you can't say their interface was better with the same technology, when the technology had a fundamental distinction. And also there are other new phones that have multitouch now. As time progresses, phones become more advanced - that's always the case, there's always new phones coming out which are cutting edge the moment they are released. There's nothing special about the Iphone in the big picture.
Yeah, and this is why neither you or I work in that industry... we don't have the vision to make the iPhone... Unlike the other Phone Manufactures, Apple never stand still, they can't afford to.
As stated by in the Apple Technology conferences... that was a design decision... It was a feature that needed more time to develop and the decision was to leave it out of V2.0 and focus on feature that would be more useful to the general public.
The more I hear about it, the more it gets worse. Not having copy and paste is a _design decision_? I don't need a phone that makes those sorts of design decisions.
No, you don't, the iPhone wasn't made for you!! It was made for real people who don't use smart phones!
Apple designs it's technology for real people!
Because you are a computer geek, don't understand the concept of usability. The iPhone integrates these features into a single usable package. the iPhone's internet browser is about a billion years ahead of any other mobile device!!! I don't even bother with turning real computers on any more!!!
As a computer geek, I am most certainly aware of UI concepts. It's Iphone lovers who claim it has a better UI, but are suspiciously never able to explain how it is better. Phones have been combining these features into a single usable package for years.
I explained over and over again... it's a natural interface, it works the way real people work, people who don't care about computers... technology... specs... The iPhone doesn't even have have menus or access to the underlying file system!! Everything is designed around the user and not the underlying technology!!! You don't need to care how or why the phone works... it just does!
The Iphone's browser isn't any better than that on many smartphones - and even bog standard phones can run Opera Mini now, anyway.
This is just wrong... Not one single review of the iPhone, has ever said the Browser is no better than any other phone... in fact even the most negative iPhone reviews have said they iPhone web browser is a shining beacon in a sea of terrible browsers...
The iPhone is the most used mobile web browser, despite the iPhone not having the biggest market share!!!!
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I don't see what all the fuss is about. It's a phone with a web browser. And it's locked down tighter than Fort Knox so Apple can control YOUR phone. That was never the spirit of Amiga.
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smithy wrote:
I don't see what all the fuss is about. It's a phone with a web browser. And it's locked down tighter than Fort Knox so Apple can control YOUR phone. That was never the spirit of Amiga.
I never said the iPhone was the spirit of Amiga, the two devices existed in very different markets and computing environments. The Amiga was an entertainment and hobby device... If I had to rely on my Amiga as much as I do on the iPhone... I would want it to be locked down just as tight! The iPhone is not a hobby device, I can't really afford to mess around and have it fail on me.
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bloodline wrote:
smithy wrote:
I don't see what all the fuss is about. It's a phone with a web browser. And it's locked down tighter than Fort Knox so Apple can control YOUR phone. That was never the spirit of Amiga.
I never said the iPhone was the spirit of Amiga, the two devices existed in very different markets and computing environments. The Amiga was an entertainment and hobby device... If I had to rely on my Amiga as much as I do on the iPhone... I would want it to be locked down just as tight! The iPhone is not a hobby device, I can't really afford to mess around and have it fail on me.
So you're saying it's the "21st century Amiga" and "the new Amiga", but at the same time it doesn't have the spirit of the Amiga? :-?
I don't see how it bears any resemblence to the Amiga. It's a fashion label that has a commodity mobile phone with a web browser underneath it that you pay a premium for because of the fashion label.
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smithy wrote:
bloodline wrote:
smithy wrote:
I don't see what all the fuss is about. It's a phone with a web browser. And it's locked down tighter than Fort Knox so Apple can control YOUR phone. That was never the spirit of Amiga.
I never said the iPhone was the spirit of Amiga, the two devices existed in very different markets and computing environments. The Amiga was an entertainment and hobby device... If I had to rely on my Amiga as much as I do on the iPhone... I would want it to be locked down just as tight! The iPhone is not a hobby device, I can't really afford to mess around and have it fail on me.
So you're saying it's the "21st century Amiga" and "the new Amiga", but at the same time it doesn't have the spirit of the Amiga? :-?
Quite!!! The spirit of the Amiga was about a low cost games machine capible of serious work...
The iPhone has a different spirit.
I don't see how it bears any resemblence to the Amiga. It's a fashion label that has a commodity mobile phone with a web browser underneath it that you pay a premium for because of the fashion label.
Come on, I know you and you are not stupid, so don't act stupid just to prove your point!
I was referring to the market fit that the Amiga and the iPhone have.
The Amiga brought together a collection of technologies and integrated them into a single package in a way that was right for the market.
The iPhone has done the same... Had Commodore been as good at marketing as Apple are... the Amiga might have been here now.
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bloodline wrote:
Come on, I know you and you are not stupid, so don't act stupid just to prove your point!
I was referring to the market fit that the Amiga and the iPhone have.
The Amiga brought together a collection of technologies and integrated them into a single package in a way that was right for the market.
Yes, the Amiga brought together technologies that had previously only been seen on high-end workstations, added a lot of its own technology to the mix, and entered a market with no real comparative competitor for years to come.
The iPhone does none of these three things.
At launch there were already half a dozen phones on the market that do the same thing. It has no technological advantage over its equivalents from Sony Ericsson and the like.
The iPhone has done the same... Had Commodore been as good at marketing as Apple are... the Amiga might have been here now.
Indeed, as you rightly point out, the hype around the iPhone is due to marketing, not technology. Technofashion has driven the iPhone's sales, not technology. That's the polar opposite to Amiga.
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Smithy?
Blimey, another old timer!
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Karlos wrote:
Smithy?
Blimey, another old timer!
Old? 30 is the new 20 ;-)
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smithy wrote:
bloodline wrote:
Come on, I know you and you are not stupid, so don't act stupid just to prove your point!
I was referring to the market fit that the Amiga and the iPhone have.
The Amiga brought together a collection of technologies and integrated them into a single package in a way that was right for the market.
Yes, the Amiga brought together technologies that had previously only been seen on high-end workstations, added a lot of its own technology to the mix, and entered a market with no real comparative competitor for years to come.
After a quick wiki of the the available machines from 1980 onwards... the Amiga didn't offer anything new... I was going to suggest the Operating system... but between the Sinclair QL nd the Apple Mac... the Amiga had nothing new.
The iPhone does none of these three things.
At launch there were already half a dozen phones on the market that do the same thing. It has no technological advantage over its equivalents from Sony Ericsson and the like.
At Launch there were plenty of machines with the capabilities as the Amiga... And the Amiga was too expensive to catch on... as soon as Commodore Cost reduced the machine to the A500... that's when it took off.
The iPhone has done the same... Had Commodore been as good at marketing as Apple are... the Amiga might have been here now.
Indeed, as you rightly point out, the hype around the iPhone is due to marketing, not technology. Technofashion has driven the iPhone's sales, not technology. That's the polar opposite to Amiga.
It might not be the same, but it is equivalent, the Market is not the same as it was in 1985... And Apple have done exactly what the market wanted.
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bloodline wrote:
It might not be the same, but it is equivalent, the Market is not the same as it was in 1985... And Apple have done exactly what the market wanted.
:laughing: OMG! "Apple have done what the MARKET Wanted?" I think not! If you do a little research, APPLE did not even build or design the I-phone, but subcontracted everything to HTC. Even your so called MAC OSX is nothing more than BSD re-branded. Apple could have re-launched a brick phone from 1990 and it would have sold EXACTLY the same amount to all the MaC Heads out there. Apple do not re-invent the wheel, they did not do ANYTHING really innovate with the Iphone. It simple was a marketing fad that caught on because of its bling factor. simple
It's only the brain-washed people that cant see the forest for the trees.
APPLE to their credit has a incredible marketing department. and if they launch (or re launch) the newton, it will sell just as many units as the I phones because the MAC heads have to have it.
At the end of the day, it is just a regular piece of technology.simple. This argument is starting to sound like a bunch of crack addicts justifying their addictions.
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Posting from an iPhone up the town in O2 shop
;-) :-D :-( :lol: :oops:
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A4000_Mad wrote:
Posting from an iPhone up the town in O2 shop
;-) :-D :-( :lol: :oops:
BUY BUY BUY :-D
-Edit- Posting from an iPhone too :-)
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bloodline wrote:
BUY BUY BUY :-D
It was more like a case of BYE BYE BYE as I did a runner from the staff :-D
That post took bloody ages and I'm guessing that some kind of prodding stick is recommended instead of using your finger? :-P
I thought I was gonna be stuck online and not be able to log in when I got home, as I couldn't hit the microscopic looking word 'Logout'. Phew! It's obviously a great gadget but much more practice would be needed for a noob like me to work it properly :-)
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quarkx wrote:
bloodline wrote:
It might not be the same, but it is equivalent, the Market is not the same as it was in 1985... And Apple have done exactly what the market wanted.
:laughing: OMG! "Apple have done what the MARKET Wanted?" I think not! If you do a little research, APPLE did not even build or design the I-phone, but subcontracted everything to HTC. Even your so called MAC OSX is nothing more than BSD re-branded. Apple could have re-launched a brick phone from 1990 and it would have sold EXACTLY the same amount to all the MaC Heads out there. Apple do not re-invent the wheel, they did not do ANYTHING really innovate with the Iphone. It simple was a marketing fad that caught on because of its bling factor. simple
It's only the brain-washed people that cant see the forest for the trees.
APPLE to their credit has a incredible marketing department. and if they launch (or re launch) the newton, it will sell just as many units as the I phones because the MAC heads have to have it.
At the end of the day, it is just a regular piece of technology.simple. This argument is starting to sound like a bunch of crack addicts justifying their addictions.
It's not about technology, it's what they do with it.
The Palm wasn't technology-wise revolutionary either. Though how you could use it, made it, say, much more useable.
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
quarkx wrote:
bloodline wrote:
It might not be the same, but it is equivalent, the Market is not the same as it was in 1985... And Apple have done exactly what the market wanted.
:laughing: OMG! "Apple have done what the MARKET Wanted?" I think not! If you do a little research, APPLE did not even build or design the I-phone, but subcontracted everything to HTC. Even your so called MAC OSX is nothing more than BSD re-branded. Apple could have re-launched a brick phone from 1990 and it would have sold EXACTLY the same amount to all the MaC Heads out there. Apple do not re-invent the wheel, they did not do ANYTHING really innovate with the Iphone. It simple was a marketing fad that caught on because of its bling factor. simple
It's only the brain-washed people that cant see the forest for the trees.
APPLE to their credit has a incredible marketing department. and if they launch (or re launch) the newton, it will sell just as many units as the I phones because the MAC heads have to have it.
At the end of the day, it is just a regular piece of technology.simple. This argument is starting to sound like a bunch of crack addicts justifying their addictions.
It's not about technology, it's what they do with it.
The Palm wasn't technology-wise revolutionary either. Though how you could use it, made it, say, much more useable.
I avoided quarkx's post because it was so wrong my eyes started to bleed when I read it...
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bloodline wrote:
I avoided quarkx's post because it was so wrong my eyes started to bleed when I read it...
The truth hurts- nothing wrong at all with my post!
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quarkx wrote:
bloodline wrote:
I avoided quarkx's post because it was so wrong my eyes started to bleed when I read it...
The truth hurts- nothing wrong at all with my post!
Err... it started with the factual error and went down hill from there..
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quarkx wrote:
APPLE to their credit has a incredible marketing department. and if they launch (or re launch) the newton, it will sell just as many units as the I phones because the MAC heads have to have it.
At the end of the day, it is just a regular piece of technology.simple. This argument is starting to sound like a bunch of crack addicts justifying their addictions.
Partly true, but Apple's recent success is not thanks to the Macheads. Remember, back in the 90s, Apple was going down the toilet.
They brought Jobs back who packaged up all new Apples in funky & cool looking cases and packaging and managed to create a fashion icon with the Apple brand. Nowadays, you still have the Macheads, but there is another layer of loyal Apple fanboys (as opposed to Mac fanboys - and dare I say, we've witnessed some of them in this thread ;-) ) who drool over such things as the IPhone and its entirely useless brother the phoneless-iphone that is the iTouch.
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If I was a Machead, by the way, I'd be most displeased. Every new MacCon event (or whatever they're called) they unveil some new Apple gadget rather than something exciting like a new Mac external drive, doubly gaulling that it's a MAC event not an Apple event(!). It does seem that the focus is being taken away from the Mac.
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My old trusty Nokia 3310 does everything I need from a phone ... I can make and receive calls, send and receive texts - what more do I need?
I have a brand new N95, still sealed in it's box, just sitting gathering dust on a shelf in my home office/computer room ... one day I might even let it see the light of day once my 3310 dies an honorable death.
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smithy wrote:
quarkx wrote:
APPLE to their credit has a incredible marketing department. and if they launch (or re launch) the newton, it will sell just as many units as the I phones because the MAC heads have to have it.
At the end of the day, it is just a regular piece of technology.simple. This argument is starting to sound like a bunch of crack addicts justifying their addictions.
Partly true, but Apple's recent success is not thanks to the Macheads. Remember, back in the 90s, Apple was going down the toilet.
Commodity hardware has saturated the Geek market... there is no way you can sell computer system to computer geeks anymore.
They brought Jobs back who packaged up all new Apples in funky & cool looking cases and packaging and managed to create a fashion icon with the Apple brand.
If you want to sell complete computer systems, then you have to appeal to the mass market. I have nothing but respect for Jobs being able to sell the original iMac... it was technologically retarded, PPC and MacOS 8... but he knew how to make them popular.
Nowadays, you still have the Macheads, but there is another layer of loyal Apple fanboys (as opposed to Mac fanboys - and dare I say, we've witnessed some of them in this thread ;-) ) who drool over such things as the IPhone and its entirely useless brother the phoneless-iphone that is the iTouch.
"MacHeads" won't sell you computers... fanboys won't sell you computers... you need to appeal to the common man to sell computers.
If you want a media player, do you buy the one with the most highly developed media infrastructure, the best interface and full PDA functionality... or do you buy a product just because it doesn't have an Apple logo on it?
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If I was a Machead, by the way, I'd be most displeased. Every new MacCon event (or whatever they're called) they unveil some new Apple gadget rather than something exciting like a new Mac external drive, doubly gaulling that it's a MAC event not an Apple event(!). It does seem that the focus is being taken away from the Mac.
You can't sell computers like that any more... this is why you are where you are and why Steve Jobs is one of the most sucessful business men in history!
The computer is a commodity device now... we are not in the 20th century anymore... the 80's were fun, but they are gone.
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ZeBeeDee wrote:
My old trusty Nokia 3310
Awwww! I still have my Nokia 3310 and Nokia 600 as backup phones. The 3310 was an amazing step up from my Philips C12 which had just one line of text. Then the 6600 was unbelievably amazing step up from the 3310. My whole family ended up buying them :-)
ZeBeeDee wrote:
I have a brand new N95, still sealed in it's box, just sitting gathering dust
:-o :-o :-o OPEN IT UP FOR GOODNESS SAKE MAN!!
Buy an 8GB memory card (http://www.bmcdigital.co.uk/catalog/search?search=8GB+Microsd) off the Internet for £23.90. Use the N95's 5megapixel camera to take awsome pix. Set it to 'Close-up mode' for Hi Res shots of things like mobo components etc. Put it in video mode and use it as a camcorder to record your loved ones in DVD-Like quality. Put in MP3's of your favourite music and make the most of its stereo speakers.
If not, I'll have it please :-D
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A4000_Mad wrote:
Buy an 8GB card off the Internet for £23.90. Use the N95's 5megapixel camera to take awsome pix. Set it to 'Close-up mode' for Hi Res shots of things like mobo components etc. Put it in video mode and use it as a camcorder to record your loved ones in DVD-Like quality. Put in MP3's of your favourite music and make the most of its stereo speakers.
If not, I'll have it please :-D
I have to agree, the quality of the N95's camera is great... if for not for any other reason, use the N95 for its camera!
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A4000_Mad wrote:
:-o :-o :-o OPEN IT UP FOR GOODNESS SAKE MAN!!
Buy an 8GB memory card (http://www.bmcdigital.co.uk/catalog/search?search=8GB+Microsd) off the Internet for £23.90. Use the N95's 5megapixel camera to take awsome pix. Set it to 'Close-up mode' for Hi Res shots of things like mobo components etc. Put it in video mode and use it as a camcorder to record your loved ones in DVD-Like quality. Put in MP3's of your favourite music and make the most of its stereo speakers.
If not, I'll have it please :-D
(http://www.wegotcards.com/cards/friends/insults/nerd.GIF)
I've got a Pentax Super ME 35mm camera with interchangeable lenses (i have standard 35mm right upto a 200mm lens) for pictures that even for 1978 technology, pee's all over today's digital camera's. :-)
My PC is connected to a Dolby 5.1 surround system for my musical tastes (work from home so don't need music on the move).
Oh, one last thing ... no you can't have the N95 so ner ner :lol:
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@ ZeBeeDee
Sorry mate! I imagined you sitting there with your 3310 and something like a ZX Spectrum on a black and white TV ;-)
Didn't really want the dusty old N95 anyway :-P
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A4000_Mad wrote:
@ ZeBeeDee
Sorry mate! I imagined you sitting there with your 3310 and something like a ZX Spectrum on a black and white TV ;-)
Didn't really want the dusty old N95 anyway :-P
Got rid of the Spectrum long ago ... upgraded to the C64 :lol:
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bloodline wrote:
I don't know what it's like in Europe, but I assume it's like the UK...
I'm in the UK, and the market wasn't stagnant. In fact, it had already moved on whilst the Iphone plays catch up (e.g., 3G).
Phones have changed dramatically in the last 10 years, going from simple devices with only SMS and maybe WAP, to basically being mobile computing devices, with fast Internet connection, video, music, being able to run applications. That's on a bog-standard low end phone.
No, they added these features... they didn't integrate them.
The difference?
Every other phone manufacturer is now trying to make their phones more like the iPhone... We had insane demand worldwide, for the device.
In what sense are they trying to make their phone more like the Iphone? By dropping features whilst raising the price?
The iPhone has a totally new user interface. It has fully integrated network functionality into the basic functionality of the device... Apps work together, the web browser is central to the functionality to the device. The App Store and iTunes store integration are unique... and Yes, it has a built in iPod, which is the worlds most popular media player, which is a nice value add.
Same with loads of other phones - they have that, or non-Apple equivalents, along with more.
The UK... and yes the Mobile Market is 100%... there is no way for a manufacturer to get an in... without something special... which Apple have managed to do.
So now they are praised merely for not flopping? Apple have billions of dollars, they're hardly a struggling start up!
Real people are talking about the iPhone... people are saying... "I was going to get an iPod, but I might as well get an iPhone".
Evidence? Same with your people in the street comment - I might as well claim people in the street are talking about every phone apart from the Iphone.
Real people can use the iPhone, I showed my HP 4510 to my grandparents a few years ago they were just confused by it...
My mum has a phone, and has no trouble using it. That only shows that the HP 4510 was a poor phone if it couldn't be operated by someone. Or possibly, technology generally moved on in the last few years.
Yeah, and this is why neither you or I work in that industry... we don't have the vision to make the iPhone... Unlike the other Phone Manufactures, Apple never stand still, they can't afford to.
What does where we work have to do with it? I'm not claiming that _I_ can personally make phones better than Apple! But there are plenty of non-Apple companies that are in the phone industry.
No, you don't, the iPhone wasn't made for you!! It was made for real people who don't use smart phones! Apple designs it's technology for real people!
I don't use a smart phone, I use a normal phone. That has copy and paste.
But I'm glad you agree - the Iphone _isn't_ the best phone ever, because not everyone has the same needs. However, you can't claim that people who don't consider the Iphone is the best are not real people!
By that logic, the Amiga is still the best - anyone who has a problem isn't a real person...
I explained over and over again... it's a natural interface, it works the way real people work, people who don't care about computers... technology... specs...
None of these are reasons, they're just made up terms, and marketing blurb. Tell us _why_ it works in this way, or _why_ it's interface is "natural" (whatever that means)?
The iPhone doesn't even have have menus or access to the underlying file system!! Everything is designed around the user and not the underlying technology!!! You don't need to care how or why the phone works... it just does!
Same with every other phone.
This is just wrong... Not one single review of the iPhone, has ever said the Browser is no better than any other phone... in fact even the most negative iPhone reviews have said they iPhone web browser is a shining beacon in a sea of terrible browsers...
The iPhone is the most used mobile web browser, despite the iPhone not having the biggest market share!!!!
References please?
Both Win95 and the Amiga did something special, bringing together technology, in a way the market needed. That is why they were popular.
But that's what _every_ company does with every product (at least, discounting the ones that completely flop). Every bog standard phone brings together technology in a way demanded by the market.
but between the Sinclair QL nd the Apple Mac... the Amiga had nothing new.
Neither had as good graphics, AFAIK. But either way - if in order to prove the "Iphone is the new Amiga" claim, your tactic is to water down the impact of the Amiga, then that just makes the claim worthless. Just about any new product could be seen as a "new Amiga".
I have nothing but respect for Jobs being able to sell the original iMac... it was technologically retarded, PPC and MacOS 8... but he knew how to make them popular.
I entirely agree here - it's not that the products are anything special, but I agree that Apple are good at marketing.
From the other thread:
You don't get the iPhone... great... You try and do what Apple has done then.
I don't need to - loads of other phone companies already have ;)
I do get the Iphone. I also get all the other phones :)
(Btw, I posted to a webforum too the other day, using my normal phone. And I did it with some copy and paste...)
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I saw an Iphone ad on TV today. "What's so good about 3G?", it said.
Welcome to 2006, Apple.
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See, I've yet to see an incontinent digital camera...
Even if your camera weren't incontinent it still only does maybe 6 MP, I get twice that.
ZeBeeDee wrote:
A4000_Mad wrote:
:-o :-o :-o OPEN IT UP FOR GOODNESS SAKE MAN!!
Buy an 8GB memory card (http://www.bmcdigital.co.uk/catalog/search?search=8GB+Microsd) off the Internet for £23.90. Use the N95's 5megapixel camera to take awsome pix. Set it to 'Close-up mode' for Hi Res shots of things like mobo components etc. Put it in video mode and use it as a camcorder to record your loved ones in DVD-Like quality. Put in MP3's of your favourite music and make the most of its stereo speakers.
If not, I'll have it please :-D
(http://www.midaswelby.com/Head_and_Boulders/Leaky01.jpg)
I've got a Pentax Super ME 35mm camera with interchangeable lenses (i have standard 35mm right upto a 200mm lens) for pictures that even for 1978 technology, pee's all over today's digital camera's. :-)
My PC is connected to a Dolby 5.1 surround system for my musical tastes (work from home so don't need music on the move).
Oh, one last thing ... no you can't have the N95 so ner ner :lol: