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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Dragster on June 30, 2008, 10:06:01 PM
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Hi there.. I just would like to know if OS4 classic would recognize the memory in a DKB 3128... in an A4000(T)...
Thanks!
D.
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No it does not:-(
-Jeff
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@Jeff
Thanks, this was the only posibility that was making me decide to buy that 3128 off ebay now for US$300... I'd love to be able to use 256 MB RAM in my A4000T running OS4, 148 MB is enough for OS 3.x and 68K apps though.
Cheers
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@Dragster
OS4 does not support various memory types :-/
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It's the RAM on the motherboard + RAM on the accelerator and then nothing else?
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Correct. My A4000T CSPPC machine has about 93 megs free when OS4 is done loading. I'm not even sure if the 16 megs on the motherboard is supported.
-Jeff
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. I'm not even sure if the 16 megs on the motherboard is supported.
-Jeff
It isn't, I think.
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Well, just write an AddMem for OS4 - but beware of the slowdown...
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@ Dragster
Tbh, OS4.0 Classic = Bull Sh*t :pissed:
Same bollocks with my Z3 Fastlane.
Bloody disgracefull all round. :madashell:
Another cold one will help quell the pain & then after a couple of Jack Daniels on top, who gives a flying F`k anyways...... :-D
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Kin-Hell wrote:
@ Dragster
Tbh, OS4.0 Classic = Bull Sh*t :pissed:
Same bollocks with my Z3 Fastlane.
Bloody disgracefull all round.
Why? Why do you think Hyperion should've created a hacky mess of an operating system just so they could cover every weird setup out there?
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They should have created a few more HW drivers though.
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B00tDisk wrote:
Why? Why do you think Hyperion should've created a hacky mess of an operating system just so they could cover every weird setup out there?
I agree. Those people with Blizzard PPC wanting to use their SCSI should just get "normal" systems in order to be covered. :roll:
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B00tDisk wrote:
Kin-Hell wrote:
@ Dragster
Tbh, OS4.0 Classic = Bull Sh*t :pissed:
Same bollocks with my Z3 Fastlane.
Bloody disgracefull all round.
Why? Why do you think Hyperion should've created a hacky mess of an operating system just so they could cover every weird setup out there?
This isn`t a rant & I will be as consise as I can, if only to save my own heart from Bleeding about it!
Back when the CSPPC cards were released, the idea was to be running the Big C='s hardware via the Motorola series of CPU`s, but they were supposed to be backed up by the Horse Power of the PPC to render/compute sh1t faster than anything on the planet back then!
OS4 for the hard Amiga Nuts amongst us was something that ran on the 060 & got boosted by the PPC running in the background & OS3.9 kinda tripped it all that way with WARP etc!
The Demise of Commodore was probably at the hands of Bill Gates & his cronies & meantime while the slimy C= Spick- Boss got paid to totally disapear off the face of the planet whilst Commodore dissapeared up it`s own Ass, folk like us of the eighties were pretty pi$$ed seeing a truly wonderful, pre-emptive multi-tasking operating system & chipset get swallowed to this point in time with Vista.
Amigas brought Multi-Media to the Desk Top long before Pee Cee's were capable after C= went under. Unless you had tens of thousands of ur local Dosh that is!
AAA Chipset consequently never arrived, which was naturally going to be the traditional OS4 from C= for their new Gen Chipset. An awful lot of bloody good stuff got quashed while a lot of total bollocks thrived.
....Sounding Familiar!???
Meantime, OS4 got bashed from pillar to post & appeared on some pretty crap hardware to where it is now.
Unfortunately, OS4.0 Classic users end up with iBrowse 2.4 on OS4.0 running slower than a snail on Evo-Stick! The 060 running iBrowse 2.4 is like a bolt of lightning by comparison.
Forgetting the performance side of it all, the Amiga was the Fastest Emulator in its time & gave the most expensive Pee Cees money could buy, a bloody good run for their money.
MAC's were slower than an Amiga Emulating it ffs! :lol:
Meantime, OS4.0 Classic uses a different Memory accessing method than Commodores original OS. Consequently, the hardware expansions using the traditional Memory accessing wont work anymore.
SCSI of the A3D/T & A4KT are as much use as a chocolate fireguard & because they need the traditional Amigas Memory access for DMA, it`s just totally F`kd.
So yeah, thats why OS4 for the classic user is a total piece of sh1t & I could list a whole pile more bollocks, but my heart is already bleeding like a pig.......
Thats why! :rtfm:
I wanted you to understand the whole condensed story of why its crap. A real nutshell quote would be;
It`s a "Port-Over"
Nuff said! :boohoo:
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Kin-Hell wrote:
This isn`t a rant & I will be as consise as I can, if only to save my own heart from Bleeding about it!
Back when the CSPPC cards were released, the idea was to be running the Big C='s hardware via the Motorola series of CPU`s, but they were supposed to be backed up by the Horse Power of the PPC to render/compute sh1t faster than anything on the planet back then!
OS4 for the hard Amiga Nuts amongst us was something that ran on the 060 & got boosted by the PPC running in the background & OS3.9 kinda tripped it all that way with WARP etc!
The Demise of Commodore was probably at the hands of Bill Gates & his cronies & meantime while the slimy C= Spick- Boss
....Sounding Familiar!???
Yeah, it sounds like the same paranoid racist ranting I can read just about anywhere else on the internet.
Grow up.
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adolescent wrote:
B00tDisk wrote:
Why? Why do you think Hyperion should've created a hacky mess of an operating system just so they could cover every weird setup out there?
I agree. Those people with Blizzard PPC wanting to use their SCSI should just get "normal" systems in order to be covered. :roll:
Now you know darn well that's not what I was talking about.
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alexh wrote:
They should have created a few more HW drivers though.
No doubt, but the wailing about them not reaching across the creaking, groaning bridge of multiple hardware types lashed together in a myriad of funky and often incompatible ways is a bit much.
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Eh??
The only reason they chose not to write drivers was that it wasn't on the Hyperion roadmap. (Certainly wasn't a technical reason for most hardware) Classic support was only supposed to be a stepping stone to the Amiga-One so why write drivers for exotic hardware they didn't own?
As for what Kin-Hell wrote about memory.. I think it's bollox. There is absolutely no reason to support motherboard SCSI in OS4!
Why not??
You need a CSPPC for OS4 on A3k/A4kT and so automatically get a much, much faster UW-SCSI3 controller! Instantly making the motherboard SCSI redundant. (If the CSPPC SCSI isn't supported under OS4, then my argument doesn't hold!)
I think the reason there is no Blizzard SCSI support is that if you remember OS4 wasn't destined for that platform until very late in the day. Laziness coupled with economics is why there are no drivers.
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B00tDisk wrote:
No doubt, but the wailing about them not reaching across the creaking, groaning bridge of multiple hardware types lashed together in a myriad of funky and often incompatible ways is a bit much.
So you were never a traditional Amiga fan then!? The Amiga was all about "Fun Computing". We had a GUI that packed more power than any other platform of its time. Librarys, Devices, Handlers etc that other hardware/software could share. These were good days which OS4 does not encompass in the same manner.
Opinions are personal & we are all entitled to our own. If you can`t see the humour in what I wrote, I`ll stay a kid a while longer & might just enjoy life that little bit more.
Fun computing on the Amiga was really what it was all about & I feel OS4 does not encompass this same tradition. Just my opinion though! ;-)
@ alexh
It`s clever what Hyperion have done with the OS, so please don`t take me entirely the wrong way about this. It`s clever in so far as the way OS4 was originally developed for other hardware in the first place & not Commodores Chipset. At least OS3.9 still ran on the 060 with WARP etc using the PPC where it could. Mainly games of course. I really wanted to see some FAST render times in Imagine, Real 3D etc.
OS4's direction RE the hardware it ran on, probably fuelled their laziness & economics. Amigas were all about SCSI & slower devices on the SCSI III chain will be detremental to the SCSI III performance.
Such a shame. :-(
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Kin-Hell wrote:
It`s clever in so far as the way OS4 was originally developed for other hardware in the first place & not Commodores Chipset.
I think it was the other way around. It was started on the classic using CSPPC while they waited for the Amiga-One hardware to arrive.
Kin-Hell wrote:
At least OS3.9 still ran on the 060 with WARP etc using the PPC where it could.
I think that by keeping the 060 on the bus, you effectively cripple the PPC and so OS4 switches it off.
Kin-Hell wrote:
Amigas were all about SCSI & slower devices on the SCSI III chain will be detremental to the SCSI III performance.
Such a shame. :-(
The slowest device determines the maximum bus speed?? Even if it is not in use? Bummer indeed. It means you need to use an IDE CD/DVD :-)
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alexh wrote:
I think it was the other way around. It was started on the classic using CSPPC while they waited for the Amiga-One hardware to arrive.
Yes, that's the way it really was.
Kin-Hell wrote:
Amigas were all about SCSI & slower devices on the SCSI III chain will be detremental to the SCSI III performance.
Actually older SCSI devices can slow UW-SCSI in so far as they transfer data slower and cause more bus load than faster devices. However, in reality this is no problem as this happens only while you're using the devices.
(More modern SCSI busses using LVD signaling can be severly slowed down (permanently) and even disabled by connected SE devices, but there are no U2W+ host adapters for any Amiga.)
Anyway, this 'problem' hardly qualifies for enforcing the development of drivers for onboard HBAs.
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Kin-Hell - Bloody disgraceful all round.
I have to agree, there was not enough support put into the OS4 Classic for it to be released as a Commercial package.
I don't care what those at Hyperion say about if it's not on the compatibility list then it is not compatible. Useless remark.
The Acube site/compatibility list has not been updated since 1st December 2007.
Where is the support for the OS ?
Though I have just taken a look there and I see OS 4.1 being mentioned, so maybe some good news, & about time too, if it is !!
Woah, hold on it's only for the A-One, we Classic users have been left in the dirt, yet again, so no surprise there I suppose.
I see on the Acube site there is dropdown list for support for SAM440ep, CPU Module, MiniMig, and STFAX - that hasn't even been released, BUT there is no sign of any support link for Classic OS4, no link for a FAQ section about installation for OS4 Classic, and they are supposed to be the ONLY direct distributors of Classic OS4.
I have tried to get blood out of a stone via Hyperion but then you cannot get blood out of a stone, so now you know.
Hyperion seemed to have earmarked the greatest majority of their time on supporting hardware that had not been authorised by Amiga Inc. and when the court case did not get resolved as soon as they had hoped they finally had to find some cash from somewhere & so turned to the Amiga faithful for their cash. Such little time seems to have been spent in supporting the legacy hardware, which was where it all started, and those are the people who will realistically migrate to later PPC OS's, but who have now been poisoned by their unfair handling of Classic OS4 (IN-) compatibility.
I for one, having waited YEARS for support for the Blizzard PPC boards, having been assured it would be supported, well I wasn't told it would only just about be supported, & feel like I have been dumped on. I feel abandoned like so many other Blizzard users, while the Cyberstorm users have had a much better support, even for really old Zorro GFX cards.
I have a Mediator with much more modern PCI hardware, but was never told by Hyperion that that board would basically not be supported in all the years they had OS4 in development. Well they weren't really developing the A1200 or A4000 wwere they it seems, it was just an afterthought, or that is how the compatibility/support list feels to me.
I don't think the DMA problem in the Mediators is one that Hyperion could not get around, if they wanted to, but they do not want to.
I get the impression that there could be a way to get OS4 Classic to work with the type of DMA that Elbox, and maybe other hardware manufacturers of Classic Amiga boards also, if only Hyperion would OK it, and allow/make it work.
After all we are talking about a small amount of hardware for loyal Amiga users who will no doubt migrate, when/if the court matter resolves the new PPC hardware issues, but what harm can it do to support the older DMA just to get the damn hardware working under Classic OS4?
It seems Hyperion, and those other Commercial parties interested in OS4 have no real interest in supporting the only currently available Classic Amiga hardware to effectively use Classic OS4 that it was supposedly written for.
We should all have been told the Hyperion Classic OS4 roadmap properly, in good time, not 2 weeks before launch, and how it would affect a particular Amiga model, by that I mean basically the A4000 and the A1200, which are the only Amiga Classic hardware that could run OS4 as they have the PPC boards for them.
I feel we were let down badly by not being informed that the Classic hardware would be so poorly supported, in good time, and in any case the OS4 documentation was scant.
I know Hyperion are on the Amiga side, they just need to support the Classic Hardware better, because what does it matter if it does not comply with the philosophy of how a clean OS should be for what the new PPC hardware requires, just get it to work with the Classic hardware now, code it to suit the needs of the users, not their own ideal/clinically correct system.
I still have this dream about the Amiga, but at the moment it feels more like a nightmare.
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They should have called it OS4 not so classic!
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I am almost sure they never intended to release OS4 classic but with the death of Amiga-One they had to re-think. There was probably a deadline and they just had to go with what they had.
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alexh wrote:
I am almost sure they never intended to release OS4 classic but with the death of Amiga-One they had to re-think. There was probably a deadline and they just had to go with what they had.
Yeah m8, but it just about F`kd the classic Amiga....& they wouldn`t be where they are now if it wasn`t for us Old School fux0rz!
Chicken egg thing, but It`s really nice to see there are some of us still out here. Bring it on lads....Dragster won`t mid us pimping his thread....He knows there are loads of Cold ones in the Fridge here! :-D
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@ alexh
No IDE here m8y. IDE has a MUCH bigger CPU hit on the Amiga than SCSI. ;-)