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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: mbrantley on May 28, 2008, 07:31:36 PM
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The postman just brought me a package from Great Britain. It could only be... the Deneb I ordered from AmigaKit for my 4000. (And another X-Surf card for my 3000, since I've got to spread the love among the Miggies.) It's thrilling to be able to buy a newly developed piece of classic Amiga hardware this far into the 21st century. I'll be just as thrilled when I can order Jens' upcoming scandoubler for the 1200.
Will report how I make out. Got to go move the heavy 20-inch Sony CRT (a recent Craigslist buy) off the 4000... Oh, my back....!
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The serial number is hand written on the Deneb card. It's either 0073 or maybe 0013. It could be 0043, but I don't think so.
On the back is printed: KEEP THE FIRE BURNING! We all do our best. :-)
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Congrats!
The serial number is hand written on the Deneb card. It's either 0073 or maybe 0013. It could be 0043, but I don't think so.
I'm willing to bet money it's a "1", Germans write them a little differently than we do. :)
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Glad the DENEB USB (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=795) arrived safely- thanks for the order. You can check your serial number on the http://usa.amigakit.com webstore under your order history.
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Yep, it's a "1" -- so lucky 13 for me. Checked it with AmigaKit order history.
Page 2 of manual mentions proper disposal of the product after it has reached the end of its life. Are they mad? I've got a Vic-20 I've never thrown out. :-P
The 4000 just booted up with the Deneb in "Rescue Mode" as instructed. I see the installation volume on the Workbench. Gotta go get busy...
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I've got also mine from AmigaKit. If you encounter problems when installing just use the RESCUE jumper together with TST.
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Thanks guys for your orders.
Additional DENEB USB (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=795) arrived today and are now in stock and re-available.
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Mine says - SN:0019. I wonder how many Denebs are being made. I'm waiting to install mine, I've got a line on a tower-ized Amiga 4000 and I'm hoping to put it into the new girl.
Cross your fingers for me.
-Nyle
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Got up to the Trident configuration screen, but I promised my daughter I will stop playing with the computer and go play with her in the yard. Will get back to it a little later. Sorry for the suspense, guys. :-)
Man, those laserbeam sound effects on the Deneb intro screen scared me to death. I had the sound up high and the monitor turned away from me when it started, so I didn't realize what was happening on the screen. I thought I was frying something good!
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The Deneb splash screen is inspired by the game Turrican, no doubt.
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You forgot something AmigaKit.
It's inspired from the title screen of Rainbow Arts, if I am correct, right? ;-)
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Page 2 of manual mentions proper disposal of the product after it has reached the end of its life.
I bet that's to do with those big time German laws about recycling. They delayed some kind of something Amiga related when they first went into effect. I think, actually, whatever it was was kinda sorta canceled, making everyone :madashell: :boohoo: , but then later it was uncanceled.
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mbrantley wrote:
Got up to the Trident configuration screen, but I promised my daughter I will stop playing with the computer and go play with her in the yard. Will get back to it a little later. Sorry for the suspense, guys. :-)
Man, those laserbeam sound effects on the Deneb intro screen scared me to death. I had the sound up high and the monitor turned away from me when it started, so I didn't realize what was happening on the screen. I thought I was frying something good!
Take your time and play with that daughter of yours for as long as she stays interested. They grow up so fast and then they don't want to have anything to do with you, unless it is to ask for money, or borrow the car. Then they are gone and you are lucky to see them on holidays and birthdays.
When you do have time to get back to the Deneb, let us all know what you are going to use. Are your primary reasons for getting it to use USB keyboard and mouse, or was the KickFlash a primary reason to boot the 3.9OS without the usual double-clutching, or do you have a CSPPC and you are going to boot MorphOS for PuP from the Deneb?
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@amigadave & all
I just put a Deneb in my A3000 (serial #31!). I have now eliminated the "Double clutching" by moving the rom update & scsi 43.45 patch to flashrom. It now boots about 3x as fast. A 1gb USG thumb drive measures faster than my 9GB SCSI hard drive connected to my WarpEngine. Cool piece of kit!
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At a glance, I thought that you said "Cool piece of sh1t"! :crazy: :crazy:
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amigadave wrote:
Take your time and play with that daughter of yours for as long as she stays interested. They grow up so fast and then they don't want to have anything to do with you, unless it is to ask for money, or borrow the car. Then they are gone and you are lucky to see them on holidays and birthdays.
Indeed, that's good advice. She's four, about to turn five, and this afternoon was all about having watergun fights on the front lawns of the houses on the street with young children. We had fun.
When you do have time to get back to the Deneb, let us all know what you are going to use. Are your primary reasons for getting it to use USB keyboard and mouse, or was the KickFlash a primary reason to boot the 3.9OS without the usual double-clutching, or do you have a CSPPC and you are going to boot MorphOS for PuP from the Deneb?
There's no Amgia PPC gear here (although there are a number of PPC Macs). I can't afford to buy the used Amiga PPC hardware at the prices they command, so I'm running a strictly OS 3.9 Amiga shop for now running on the mighty (ahem) family of Motorola 680x0 chips.
I like typing on classic Amiga keyboards and shoving the old Amiga mice around the desk, so I won't use USB stuff for input. Already have a serial Wacom tablet, too.
For the moment the Deneb will get used for mass storage devices. I wasted some time tonight trying to figure out why my 4GB USB thumb drive was only showing up as 1.8GB formatted, then I remembered I actually did buy a 2GB thumb drive and not a 4GB one. That's plugged into the into USB connector on the Deneb.
I've got various external USB hard drives and CD/DVD drives here that get moved around. Now the Amiga can join the party. Then there are printers, although I am hopeful I can eventually print over my network to the printers shared by a Mac.
I am looking forward to hearing someone's report on an AHI audio device connected to the Deneb USB. I want to know which one to buy and what it will do for me.
Then there's always cheap USB network interfaces, which could potentially free my expensive X-Surf in the 4000 for duty in another of my Amigas.
Lots of possibilities.
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An observation: It caused me some head scratching to figure out how to enable DMA as opposed to PIO mode. Did get it figured out though.
Some questions: How do I or can I prevent the DENEB intro animation (with the neat lasers) from playing at each bootup? I think it's playing twice for me at bootup. I'd rather not be delayed.
How do I prevent the "Still Alive" requester from appearing? Is it a matter of deleting the material from the flash?
What is this "double clutch" I see referenced above? How should I use the onboard flash memory to my best advantage in OS 3.9?
Finally, a sentiment of gratitude: Thanks to the Deneb makers for creating this product and thanks to the resellers for getting it into the marketplace.
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sandpiper wrote:
@amigadave & all
I just put a Deneb in my A3000 (serial #31!). I have now eliminated the "Double clutching" by moving the rom update & scsi 43.45 patch to flashrom. It now boots about 3x as fast. A 1gb USG thumb drive measures faster than my 9GB SCSI hard drive connected to my WarpEngine. Cool piece of kit!
Nice! I think that is one of the best selling points, moving the ROM and all the updates to the 2mb Flash memory. @mbrantley, the double clutching is that second boot when running OS3.5, or 3.9. It causes very long boot times, at least for an Amiga that is.
Let us know how the printing works out, I am wondering if it needs special drivers for each printer other than the parallel port drivers when used via the USB of the Deneb?
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Simply do a download of all FlashROM contents (Luciferin), create an empty local list and "upload".
Both the DenebIntro and the requester for StillAlive are gone then.
And in case you have the backup on harddisk.
Michael
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mbrantley wrote:
What is this "double clutch" I see referenced above?
It is the double reboot sequence that takes place on cold boot, I think when the OS patches the KickStart ROM
With the patches in flash ROM no reboots required.
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Re the USB audio thing...
I got a £10 "laced" USB audio adaptor.... I plugged it into my Deneb, told AHI to use the USB Audio device, and away it went, first time. No problems at all. Any cheap USB sound card will probably work.
On 3.9 anyway. On 4.0 it's a different story, takes a bit of hacking to get that to work (but work it does).
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Just got my Deneb - excellent piece of hardware.
FlashROM part of it is really good. I used custom Kickstart with Kickflash and quite often on cold boot I had to additional Ctrl-A-A to finish up booting. Now with Deneb I can use same kickstart with no similar problem.
I also bought AOS4 for my classic, but it will take time before I try it out more seriously, as I currently feel that I can get better results out of my miggy with OS3.9.
Main questions I'm still having when thinking about OS3.9 and OS4 are:
1) Is it possible to use NoIDE and/or AOS4 loader modules on Kickflash or Deneb?
2) Is there Deneb-driver for OS4 native USB stack? What are the main disadvantages of using Poseidon over it?
3) What are the main disadvantages of using Elbox m68k drivers over OS4 native Mediator/Voodoo3 -driver?
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mboehmer_e3b wrote:
Simply do a download of all FlashROM contents (Luciferin), create an empty local list and "upload".
Both the DenebIntro and the requester for StillAlive are gone then.
Michael
That did the trick. Thanks, Michael!
Now that the Deneb is up and running on the 4000, I'm off to get the X-Surf working on the 3000... It's like Christmas in Mike's Amiga computer lab.
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Well I got back from Brazil today and my Deneb card was waiting for me along with an A4000 I'd won on eBay (one of that batch of 20 that was for sale earlier this month).
The A4000 had WB3.1 installed on a 800MB hard drive and KS3.0.
First thing I did was remove the internal SD/FF from my A1200 and install it in the A4000 to use a PC monitor. Everything worked so far... 2MB Chip, 16MB fast.
Then I installed the Deneb with the jumper set for Rescue and booted. I found the flash hosted Deneb software off the bottom of the screen and tried to install it - could not find "Installer". Bugger! I found my AmigaKit PCMCIA ethernet software install floppy and dragged the Installer command from that to my hard drive and tried again. It seems this is an older Installer and the Tools fails due to a script error, but Luciferin and Poseidon seemed to install OK.
I removed the jumper and rebooted and got the Deneb boot screen (very pretty) and after loading WB I was prompted to watch the animation which I rejected due to not having the correct files installed to watch it.
The A4000 came with no keyboard so I tried an old Logitech one that I had lying around (probably a USB1.1 with a built in 2 port 1.1 hub) - no joy, no power lights, no nothing.
I formatted a 2GB Cruzer memory stick to FAT16 and tried it in all ports with no response which was a shame as I wanted to use this to transfer files over from my PC (latest Installer, MUI, FAT95). I tried a USB IDE/SATA adapter which at least lit up when plugged into a PC, but the LEDs stay dead when connected to the Deneb.
I can't run Trident prefs as it needs MUI and I found Psddromtag in my utilities draw, clicked on it, it asked if I wanted to add Poseidon as reset-resident, I said OK and then it told me "something went wrong" and removed Poseidon.
I've set the A2000 up to that I can burn some file from the PC onto a CD, put the CD into the A2000 and then copy the files to Amiga floppies (none of my ****ing PCs have floppy drives any more).
Am I missing something obvious? Is the memory stick not showing because I don't have Fat95? Is it because I couldn't install the Deneb tools?
Any suggestions would be appreciated and now I have to take the wife out to dinner. I'll have another go at it in the morning.
I also hope my A4000 PC keyboard adapter shows up soon as using an Amiga with no keyboard is a pain in the bottom. :-D
PS. I also loved the typo in the English manual on page 6:
"The bus type is sensed automagically"
I assume this is similar to automatically, but the sensing is done by some pixies or elves? ;-)
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Glad that your Deneb USB (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=795) arrived safely.
I would recommend installing MUI - you need to add USB hardware to the Poseidon configuration file to tell it to use Deneb.
You can use the command line instead (but this is more complicated)
You are right, you will need FAT95 in the L: drawer.
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amigakit wrote:
Glad that your Deneb USB (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=795) arrived safely.
I would recommend installing MUI - you need to add USB hardware to the Poseidon configuration file to tell it to use Deneb.
You can use the command line instead (but this is more complicated)
You are right, you will need FAT95 in the L: drawer.
Cheers, I appreciate the help.
Any news with regards to that PM I sent you? I need to order those KS3.1 ROMS. Do A1200 3.1 ROMS work in an A4000?
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Still enjoying the Deneb in my 4000 and I want to put Kickstart in the flash to avoid the "double clutch" as mentioned aboved.
Not wanting to mess this up as I seem prone to do these days (!) so would someone mind terribly listing excactly what steps I should follow to accomplish that.
I moved the bblank and a1000jingle modules onto the flash. Man, I haven't heard those A1000 test tones in many, many years. My 1000 has has a Kwickstart II with 1.3 and 2.04 ROMs in it since circa 1992, and that's when that little "jingle" disappeared from my daily routine. Now it's back on the 4000. :-)
But I'm hearing it twice. That's the double clutch, huh?
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When you install Luciferin, it asks you to split
the Amiga Romupdate. When you replied with 'yes',
it installs these files in the Modules/Romupdate drawer
of the Luciferin drawer. You can put these files in the
flashrom of the Deneb. Then change the setpatch command
in your startup-sequence to 'setpatch NOROMUPDATE QUIET'
This should get rid of the double clutch.
Edit: Check if your current setpatch command skips some
romupdate, for example scsi.device. If it does, don't
put this file in the flashrom.
Regards,
Lloyd
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Thanks, Lloyd.
I ran into trouble, however. I flashed with the romupdate drawer contents as you advised and then changed the setpatch command to NOROMUPDATE. Then upon reboot I got a visit from the Guru.
Rebooting with LMB down to skip the flashrom brought an error message that scsi.device can't access all my partitions until I edit the startup-seuqnce to remove NOROMUPDATE option.
I removed the romupdates from the flash and everything is back to normal.
Just to be sure, I did all the steps again and same problems. Then I put everything back to normal again.
No doubt I am making a simple mistake somewhere.
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MozzerFan wrote:
Edit: Check if your current setpatch command skips some
romupdate, for example scsi.device. If it does, don't
put this file in the flashrom.
Just noticed your edit. I don't think I'm skipping scsi.device, but I'll look again tomorrow. It's off to bed now before I mess something up!
Thanks. Will get back to it.
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Darrin wrote:
Do A1200 3.1 ROMS work in an A4000?
Amiga 4000 has full 32 bit system address space and a zorro3 bus. Amiga 1200 kickroms may boot, but you probably will be limited.
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Usually when you use Idefix or the IDE controller of the
X-surf you must skip the scsi.device romupdate.
If you don't use either of these, you can put all
romupdates in the flashrom of the deneb (incl. scsi.device)
If you do use one of these, you must skip scsi.device, but
you can put all other romupdates in the flashrom.
In either case after these changes, you must change your
setpatch command to use the NOROMUPDATE option.
Edit:
After re-reading your post I think your system needs
the romupdate of scsi.device, so just put it in the
flashrom, and all other updates too. Use NOROMUPDATE in
setpatch. Then power off your system, and power it on again
after 1 minute or so.
If then you still have problems, I wouldn't know what's going on.
Doublecheck if scsi.device and everything else
is in the flashrom by clicking on the flashrom tab in
luciferin.
You can also try to contact Chris Hodges.
Regards,
Lloyd
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Is it the scsi.device update that allows for larger hard disks? If so, I do need it. Interestingly, I found that I used to have IDEfix installed, but the lines are commented out of my startup-sequence.
I guess if I can't eliminate the double clutch it's no big deal. I thought this was causing the A1000 jingle file to play twice (and the Deneb intro to play twice while I still had it on the Deneb flash), but it turns out that was only for the first boot after flashing the file. No double plays now.
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Is it the scsi.device update that allows for larger hard disks?
Yes it is.
I guess if I can't eliminate the double clutch it's no big deal
Did you try to flash it with the romupdates and power off
your system, like I said? The rom-updates normally can be
put in the flash-rom. I do this with my system, and it
works like a charm, but I use the IDE controller
of my xsurf, so I skipped scsi.device.
Regards,
Lloyd
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MozzerFan wrote:
Did you try to flash it with the romupdates and power off
your system, like I said? The rom-updates normally can be
I *think* so, but just to be sure I will try again when I get home. Fortunately, it's easy enough to recover if I mess it up again. Will report back this evening.
Thanks, Lloyd.
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countzero wrote:
Darrin wrote:
Do A1200 3.1 ROMS work in an A4000?
Amiga 4000 has full 32 bit system address space and a zorro3 bus. Amiga 1200 kickroms may boot, but you probably will be limited.
I gave it a go the other night and the A4000 refused to boot - just hung with a black screen. I swapped the ROMs back and everything returned to normal. I'm just having to put up with OS3.1 for now as I really wanted to get OS3.9 running on it before I threw the other Amigas up for auction.
I just started reinstalling my copy of 3.1 as I couldn't get the previous one to recognise the CD ROM. I assume that the A4000 allows 2 devices on the internal IDE connector and the CD0: device needs to be set as Unit 1 if the CD ROM is configured as slave?
I've given up on the Deneb for now unil I get the CD ROM working.
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Darrin wrote:
I just started reinstalling my copy of 3.1 as I couldn't get the previous one to recognise the CD ROM. I assume that the A4000 allows 2 devices on the internal IDE connector and the CD0: device needs to be set as Unit 1 if the CD ROM is configured as slave?
Yes, that's right. I have just that setup using CacheCDFS, and I've had it working before with asimcdfs.
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MozzerFan wrote:
Did you try to flash it with the romupdates and power off
your system, like I said?
Gave it another go, ensuring that I cut the power before rebooting, and I got the same results. Copied the romupdates to the flash-rom and used NOROMUPDATE with setpatch. Got the Guru at bootup.
I've put it back like it was for now and I am content if a bit puzzled as to what the problem could be.
You want to see how inept I can be? In a few days I will start a "Please help me, for God's sake!" thread about file sharing between my Amigas. I have three of my Amigas on the network now with plans to get two more X-Surf cards in coming months. And I can't get 'em talking to each other.
But that's for another day. Don't say you weren't warned!
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Well, you could try to add just one romupdate at a time
to your flashrom, starting with scsi.device. Each time'
you've added a module to your flashrom reboot, and see
if you get a guru. This way you can figure out if it's
one of the romupdates that's causing this trouble.
Regards,
Lloyd
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MozzerFan wrote:
Well, you could try to add just one romupdate at a time
Good idea. Will do it.
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mbrantley wrote:
Yes, that's right. I have just that setup using CacheCDFS, and I've had it working before with asimcdfs.
Well I've replaced the old Hard Drive that came with the A4000 with a 2.1GB model, installed OS3.1, copied over the latest Installer and sucessfully installed all of the software of the Deneb (and FAT95 which was in the Bonus software - cheers guys!).
I've still got a couple of problems.
#1: I've tried several CD ROM drives and none of them show up on the IDE bus (I've tried different cables too). I've scanned using Find Device and Hard Drive Toolbox and only the Hard Drive shows up.
#2: Nothing works on the Deneb. I get the Deneb boot screen, but nothing I plug into the internal or external ports show up. I've tried a USB laser mouse and a memory stick and neither even light up (the stick has a led on it and the laser stays off on the mouse). I thought mice and keyboards were supported on boot-up?
Anyone got any ideas?
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#2: Nothing works on the Deneb.
Have you added denebdmausb.device in the controller
section of Trident prefs ?
Edit: And put poseidon online?
Regards,
Lloyd
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If you want USB to be available immediately when booting
into Workbench, start Trident and make sure the right
controller is in the controller section. Then select online
and save your prefs. Then check if the following is in your
user-startup: 'ENV:PSDStackloader'.
If you want USB to be available immediately when you turn
on your amiga (in the early boot menu), you must put
all poseidon related stuff in the deneb flashrom.
Regards,
Lloyd
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From reading this thread it seems that the person having trouble either did not get sufficient documentation and setup instructions with their Deneb, or they have not bothered to read everything that came with their new toy.
I hope the first case is not true, it is a PITA to get a new Amiga peripheral and have to struggle for weeks to get it working correctly, or you have to be an expert to know how to get it working.
I am guilty of being one of those that wants to just plug in a new Zorro card or device and have a Install file that sets it up with just a dozen or so questions answered (call me lazy).
Can anyone verify what kind of setup utility comes with the Deneb? Give us a complete review of it and what comes in the box.
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The package contains the hardware, a manual and a
registration card. The installation software is in
the flashrom of the card. This was done, because there
are many people with problematic floppy disk drives.
Installation was a breeze. Insert the card in a free
Zorro slot, set the RESCUE jumper and power on the
system. In workbench a virtual disk is automatically
mounted with the installation software on it. Install
the software, power off the system and remove the RESCUE
jumper. Then power on again. Poseidon and Luciferin
both come with very clear documention in amigaguide format.
I had the Deneb installed in less then half an hour,
including software installation and configuration.
All of my USB devices are recognized (cardreader,
printer, scanner, flashdrives etc. ). Michael Boehmer
and Chris Hodges delivered a top product. I have no regrets
buying the Deneb card. If people have any doubts buying
this card, don't hesitate. It works beautifully and the
speed is incredible.
Regards,
Lloyd
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David, don't let my own bit of confusion put you off the Deneb. It is a nice piece of "kit," and I am quite capable of going off course with even the best of instructions. Lloyd described the contents of the package very well. I'm sure I'll get my problems with the romupdates sorted out.
Darrin, if you followed the printed instructions letter for letter, you probably have the hardware hooked up right and the software installed. Now it's likely a matter of fussing about in Trident in your Preferences drawer. Took me a small amount of head scratching to enable the DMA controller driver, but not too much.
The CD-ROM problem takes me back to setting up my 4000 a couple of years ago. With SCSI CD drives on my other Amigas, I've gotten them to work using asimcdfs, and then used the CD drive to install OS 3.9. The 3.9 installation seems to upgrade the asimcdfs installation to cachecdfs, which I prefer because it allows longer filenames. I deleted the asimcdfs files later.
On my 4000 I use the same setup as you with the onboard IDE controller. I seem to recall that my asimcdfs approach didn't work out well for me, but I don't remember why. What I think I wound up doing was downloading the demo version of IDEfix and using that to get CD support going. After installing 3.9, I got rid of all the extra IDEfix files and the lines it added near the start of startup-sequence.
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amigadave wrote:
From reading this thread it seems that the person having trouble either did not get sufficient documentation and setup instructions with their Deneb, or they have not bothered to read everything that came with their new toy.
I hope the first case is not true, it is a PITA to get a new Amiga peripheral and have to struggle for weeks to get it working correctly, or you have to be an expert to know how to get it working.
I am guilty of being one of those that wants to just plug in a new Zorro card or device and have a Install file that sets it up with just a dozen or so questions answered (call me lazy).
It's me being lazy (probably). From the description when this card was announced, I at least expected it to pick up a minimum of devices after insertion and definately after installing the software from the Flash ROM. What made it doubly frustrating was the fact that I can't get this ****ing CD ROM to run on the A4000 (while setting up a CD ROM on my A2000, A3000 and A1200s has been a piece of piss) and that the PCs I have set up don't have a floppy drive. Add to that the fact that my Buddha card has gone tits-up and reports any drives connected to it as gibberish and I've not been having an easy time.
Anyway, I've bought a USB floppy so I now have an A: drive on the PCs. Cross DOS sucked at first for transferring files due to the file name limitation, but I got FAT95 of the Deneb (hurrah!) and now that problem is fixed. I still haven't got MUI installed which is why I haven't been able to do anything with the USB stack preferenced (because I've been trying to get my ****ing CD ROM drive working to transfer the ****ing files). PLus, I've not been able to apply my full attention to the problems as I've got several other things I have to deal with including having my wife in hospital with a heart problem. Talk about stress!
Thanks to everyone for the pointers. I've just got home from visiting my wife, so I guess I'm going to have to wade through all the instructions. I've got MUI on a floppy now to install, however I was not impressed when my Buddha install disk refused to install CDFS as it thinks my Hard Drive has a negative capacity!
One interesting note for the developers: With the Buddha card inserted, the software on the Deneb Flash ROM doesn't come up in rescue mode. It does once the Buddha card is removed.
One last question: I'm using a Kickstart 3.0 ROM in the A4000. As I've said, setting up the CD ROM access in my other Amigas has been straightforward, but they all have 3.1 Kickstarts. Is there extra code in KS3.1 that makes CD ROM access easier?
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I noticed so text briefly flashing up before Workbench loaded, so I inserted a wait command before the LoadWB and rebooted.
I get the following error during startup:
ENVARC:PsdStackLoader: Unknown Command
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ENVARC:PsdStackLoader: Unknown Command
That's probably because you haven't saved your settings
yet with Trident prefs.
(edited because of typo)
Regards,
Lloyd
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MozzerFan wrote:
ENVARC:PsdStackLoader: Unknown Command
That's probrably because you haven't saved your settings
yet with Trident prefs.
Regards,
Lloyd
Cheers.
Now MUI won't install because it can't find a file called " "! Sheesh! I think I'll go and play with a PC for a while...
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Now MUI won't install because it can't find a file called " "!
Look at this thread at EAB (http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=36744).
Regards,
Lloyd
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Darrin,
I've been exactly where you are in many ways -- from messed up Amigas to a very ill wife (lupus, a very serious infection, colon rupture and permanent kidney failure last summer). She is doing better, and she and I send our best wishes to you and your wife.
Your Amiga(s) should be a stress reliever not a stress maker. I think you are trying to install too much at once. Seems like you do have a chicken or egg thing with the CD installation. My advice is to pull out the Buddha and run the hard drive and CD-ROM off the internal IDE. I don't think the Buddha is any better. I do have a Buddha card that has never worked for me. Try getting the CD working with IDEfix on the internal IDE header.
If you have multiple Amigas, consider getting a Parnet cable and download Parbench from Aminet. That's handy for transfering install files from Miggy to Miggy. AmigaKit sells Parnet cables, I noticed. I'd go for a 3.1 Kickstart, too, to allow a 3.9 install if you want.
Good luck with the Miggy stuff and best wishes for your wife's recovery.
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The above assumed you're trying to run the CD from the Buddha. If that's not the case, then nevermind.
Would it help to post my CacheCDFS CDO mountlist?
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@ Mozzerfan & MBrantley,
Cheers guys for the help. I played a quick game of Star Trek Amarda, calmed down, fed the dog and went back to the Miggy.
In short, I've got it reading my memory stick!!! Yeah!!! OK, I officially love this thing - Deneb rocks! :-)
I think the problem with the MUI install was that I used WinRAR to extract it, copied the files to 2 floppy disks, dumped them in a single folder on DH0: and tried installing from theere. Something ebcame broke in the process.
I downloaded LHA and copied that to my C: folder, copied the MUI LHA archive from the floppy to the HD, extracted it via the command "LHA x DH0:38USR.LHA" to the RAM: drive and installed it from there.
I could then access Poseidon preferences. I then rebooted, went back into the prefs, cleared all the error messages in the log, shoved the USB stick back in and then watched Poseidon mount it in seconds!
Next I need to get brave, dig out my old USB CD ROM drive and then see if I can use that instead of the ****ing IDE one.
Can I just suggest, for ease of use, that the following files are added to the Flash ROM for future Deneb batches:
Latest INSTALLER file.
MUI install package.
I need to test that USB to SATA/IDE cable again too...
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mbrantley wrote:
The above assumed you're trying to run the CD from the Buddha. If that's not the case, then nevermind.
Would it help to post my CacheCDFS CDO mountlist?
Firstly I tried to use the CD ROM as a slave on the internal A4000 IDE header. It would spin up on power on, but would not appear as a connected device under SCSI.device whereas the hard drive could be seen as Unit 0.
I inserted my Buddha card and connected the CD ROM to that and it immediately showed up as Unit 1 on 2nd.SCSI.device (although the information on the drive is garbled as is the case for all drives since it stopped working).
IF you could, assuming you have your CD ROM drive set up as slave, can you please email me your CD0 DOSdriver file to "DARRIN01311 at AOL dot COM". Cheers.
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Hurrah! Let us know how the USB CD-ROM goes. I've got a USB CD burner here but have not connected it to the Deneb. So far just a USB memory stick and (temporarily) a USB mouse.
As to my issue, I'm going to go try the romupdates again, one by one.
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Darrin wrote:
IF you could, assuming you have your CD ROM drive set up as slave, can you please email me your CD0 DOSdriver file to "DARRIN01311 at AOL dot COM". Cheers.
Will do in a bit.
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Oh boy! This is great!
I bought this device:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2329300&CatId=470
I just plugged in an old Amiga formatted 4GB 2.5" drive from my A1200, plugged it into one of the Deneb USB ports and it came straight up as an available drive with all of the old Amiga files visible.
This is going to make backing up or restoring a hard drive a breeze!
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I will have to order one of those from Tiger.
I sent you my CD0 Dosdrivers file by e-mail. Here's what's in it...
/***************************************************************/
/* CacheCDFS mountlist entry © 1993 Elaborate Bytes, O. Kastl */
/***************************************************************/
FileSystem = L:CacheCDFS /* The name of the game */
Device = "scsi.device" /* Name of exec device driver */
Unit = 1 /* exec device unit */
Flags = 0 /* OpenDevice flags */
BlocksPerTrack = 351000 /* Unused */
BlockSize = 2048 /* True, but unused */
Mask = 0x7ffffffe /* Memory mask for direct read */
MaxTransfer = 0x1000000 /* Maximum amount of bytes for direct read */
Reserved = 0 /* Unused */
Interleave = 0 /* Unused */
LowCyl = 0 /* Unused */
HighCyl = 0 /* Unused */
Surfaces = 1 /* Unused */
Buffers = 50 /* Number of cache lines */
BufMemType = 513 /* MEMF_PUBLIC|MEMF_24BITDMA */
BootPri = 2 /* Boot priority for MountCD */
GlobVec = -1 /* Do not change! */
Mount = 1 /* Mount it immediately */
Priority = 10 /* Priority of FileSystem task */
DosType = 0x43443031 /* Currently unused */
StackSize = 3000 /* Minimum stack required is 3000! */
Control = "MD=0 LC=1 DC=8 L LV AL LFC=1 S"
/* The Control field is for special adjustments */
/* L/S convert all file/volume names to lowercase */
/* LV/S convert volume names to lowercase */
/* AL/S Auto-Lower converts only non-Amiga CDs */
/* LFC/N start converting at this character */
/* LC/N/A number of blocks per cache line */
/* DC/N/A number of cache lines for the data cache */
/* MD/N/A number of blocks, when starting direct read, not using */
/* the cache. 0 will be a reasonable default (LC*DC+1) */
/* S/S Do SCSI direct commands, no Trackdisk like commands! */
/* NC/S Do NOT use TD_ADDCHANGEINT, poll for DiskChange! */
/* M/S Issue a TD_MOTOR (OFF) command after read */
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Cheers. It's still a no-go detecting Unit 1. I'll give IDEfix a go in the morning along with that USB drive. Thanks for all of your help. :-)
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You'll whip the problem eventually.
Now to my issue....
The problem seems to be centered on the scsi.device romupdate. If I flash to Deneb with all the romupdates except for scsi.device, the 4000 boots with no guru. This is with me running the setpatch command unaltered, so I am still double (or is it triple?) clutching.
Is there a way to tell setpatch to only run the scsi.device update and leave the others on the Deneb? There is an advantage to that right?
Or is there some other OS3.9 scsi.device file I should use to flash the Deneb with? Something somebody can e-mail me?
thevideojunkie AT comcast DOT net (to follow Darrin's wise no-spam measures!)
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I hope you realise that I'm not even going to screw with the Flash ROM until I see you work it out. :lol:
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Darrin wrote:
I hope you realise that I'm not even going to screw with the Flash ROM until I see you work it out. :lol:
Hehehe. I hope you realize how close I am to forgetting about it. :-P Really, my machine works just fine without it. At best I'm only going through all this to save a very few seconds at bootup!
Actually, I'm just stalling. The daunting project that faces me is getting Samba file sharing working between my networked Amigas.
That's another thread for another day, but soon.
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MozzerFan wrote:
The package contains the hardware, a manual and a
registration card. The installation software is in
the flashrom of the card. This was done, because there
are many people with problematic floppy disk drives.
Installation was a breeze. Insert the card in a free
Zorro slot, set the RESCUE jumper and power on the
system. In workbench a virtual disk is automatically
mounted with the installation software on it. Install
the software, power off the system and remove the RESCUE
jumper. Then power on again. Poseidon and Luciferin
both come with very clear documention in amigaguide format.
I had the Deneb installed in less then half an hour,
including software installation and configuration.
All of my USB devices are recognized (cardreader,
printer, scanner, flashdrives etc. ). Michael Boehmer
and Chris Hodges delivered a top product. I have no regrets
buying the Deneb card. If people have any doubts buying
this card, don't hesitate. It works beautifully and the
speed is incredible.
Regards,
Lloyd
Thanks for the detailed reply.
Do you already have drivers for your scanner, printer and card reader, did they come with the Deneb, or does the Deneb automatically work with any USB scanner, printer and card reader?
It does sound impressive the way you have described it and I do plan to get one this month if I can squeeze enough money out of the budget.
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Darrin wrote:
........Add to that the fact that my Buddha card has gone tits-up and reports any drives connected to it as gibberish and I've not been having an easy time.
One interesting note for the developers: With the Buddha card inserted, the software on the Deneb Flash ROM doesn't come up in rescue mode. It does once the Buddha card is removed.
I don't think I will be using my Buddha card in the same Amiga as the Deneb if/when I buy the Deneb, but the problem is strange and I hope Chris find the bug and squashes it fast.
I wonder if it is just your Buddha that is causing the problem, or if all Buddha cards will have the same problem with a Deneb installed?
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Is there a way to tell setpatch to only run the scsi.device update and leave the others on the Deneb?
You can try to use the SKIPROMUPDATES option of setpatch.
For example:
SetPatch SKIPROMUPDATES "exec.library,fastfilesystem" QUIET
This example will install all romupdates, except for
exec.library and fastfilesystem.
I don't know if there's another version of scsi.device that
will work with your system.
Regards,
Lloyd
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Do you already have drivers for your scanner, printer and card reader
My cardreader, flashdrives etc. don't need drivers.
These are all massstorage devices, and the massstorage
class of poseidon deals with them.
For my printer I also use turboprint and for my scanner
I use FXscan. Both my printer and scanner are a bit old
(2001) and are supported by both programs.
Regards,
Lloyd
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@mbrantley
Just found a patch for scsi.device bb2. It's on
aminet (http://aminet.net/package/driver/media/SCSI4345p).
It contains some bugfixes. From what I understand of it,
it also contains a bugfix by Chris Hodges. Maybe this
one will work for you.
Edit: if you need any help with patching scsi.device,
maybe I can help you out.
Otherwise you can also try to load scsi.device with
loadmodule and use NOROMUPDATES in setpatch.
Regards,
Lloyd
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Congratulations to all of you that got the Awsome Deneb USB i want to buy a 4000 as well but its to hard finding one here in norway and shipping it will cost to much... Anyone interestited in some kind of trade Bvision,BPPC and 1200 - A4k or for that case any other amiga 1200 things as i have a bunch :-D
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@mbrantley
I've made a new scsi.device romupdate file based on the
patch I told you about (v43.45). If you want to try it
out with the deneb flash, I can mail it to you.
Regards,
Lloyd
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Lloyd,
You're awesome. Please send it to me: thevideojunkie AT comcast DOT net
--Mike
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Mike,
Email sent. Good luck. Hope this one will work.
Regards,
Lloyd
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Ok Amiga hardware developers how about a Firewire card now!
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I just got my deneb too. I must say I'm rather impressed with the ease of install of such a complicated piece of hardware.
1 plug the deneb
2 install the software on the deneb flashrom
3 install fat95 inside extras
4 turn off
5 remove rescue jumper
6 boot, stick a usb drive
7 voila ! its there
in my case I think I was lucky cause I don't have any zorro3 busmaster cards which might cause problems (A4091, fastlane, etc).
now, can somebody point me in the direction of compatible USB ethernet and audio cards ? or is everything compatible ?
also having USB ports on the back of your unit is rather awkward. Does somebody have a good idea for a A4000 case mod ?
if I find the deneb put my x-surf useless, I may put them in sale and buy another for my a3000 :)
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@countzero
also having USB ports on the back of your unit is rather awkward. Does somebody have a good idea for a A4000 case mod ?
I just bought a 3' usb extension cable so that it comes around to the front of the case. It costs about $5.
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If you have one of these cards installed can you use a USB flashdrive as a boot drive?
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Y
If you have one of these cards installed can you use a USB flashdrive as a boot drive?
Yes.
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Lloyd, thanks very, very much. That version of scsi.device does the job, and now I'm running with NOROMUPDATE on the setpatch line. It does shave a small amount of time from bootup.
I've learned some stuff here that explains to me why I can't get my SCSI port on my 1200 working. I forget which SCSI expansion it is, but I think it was by the Dataflyer people. It plugs into the IDE header and allows five SCSI devices and two IDE devices. I can't get it working with OS 3.9, and that's why I no longer have a SCSI CD-ROM attached to my 1200.
I think it must patch scsi.device to make it work, but I'm relying on the newest OS setpatch to patch scsi.device to allow larger hard drives. When I was fighting this I was trying to do it by skipping the romupdate for scsi.device, which caused problems with the hard drive.
Oh, well. The 1200 is OK without a CD-ROM drive since it is on the network with a PCMCIA card. Now to get file sharing working...
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countzero wrote:
also having USB ports on the back of your unit is rather awkward. Does somebody have a good idea for a A4000 case mod ?
I'm planning on finding a nice looking powered USB hub that I wouldn't mind having seen on the desk. Then I can plug stuff in without the blind reach around, plus I won't have to worry about drawing too much power from the Deneb USB ports.
if I find the deneb put my x-surf useless, I may put them in sale and buy another for my a3000 :)
For the moment I have an X-Surf and a Deneb in my 4000 and a X-Surf in my 3000, with plans to buy two more X-Surfs for my 2500 and 2000. But it might make more sense to buy another Deneb for my 3000, then use a USB networking solution on the two Deneb machines and move the X-Surf cards to the 2500 and 2000.
I'm just waiting for somebody else to do the USB networking thing first and tell me what to buy and how to install it. Same with USB/AHI audio. :-)
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Glad I could help, though all the credits go to the
programmers of the patch. I just applied it.
Regards,
Lloyd
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@mbrantley
Sorry I really cant resist this one.
"Blind reach around"
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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:-o
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I tried the USB DVD drive (HP DVD420e) and the Deneb detected it on startup and then seemed to assign the FAT95 file system to it as if it was treating it as an external hard drive (or possibly because I'm still having trouble with the CD ROM and CD file system although I appear to have CDFS installed).
It also seems that that the problem I've been having with the CD ROM detection might be the hard drive as the faded label on top seems to have seperate jumper configurations for Master and Master with Slave.
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I tried the USB DVD drive (HP DVD420e) and the Deneb detected it on startup and then seemed to assign the FAT95 file system to it as if it was treating it as an external hard drive
Start Trident prefs. Goto Classes section and click on
massstorage class. Choose configure and check if the right
filesystem is entered with CD/DVD drives.
Regards,
Lloyd
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MozzerFan wrote:
I tried the USB DVD drive (HP DVD420e) and the Deneb detected it on startup and then seemed to assign the FAT95 file system to it as if it was treating it as an external hard drive
Start Trident prefs. Goto Classes section and click on
massstorage class. Choose configure and check if the right
filesystem is entered with CD/DVD drives.
Regards,
Lloyd
Thanks Lloyd, I'll give that a go.
I know you want to scream "RTFM!!!" at me, so I appreciate the time and effort to post the "idiot's guide".
I'm in the middle of installing a 80GB Hard drive in the A4000 at the moment along with the CV643D and then I'll reinstall the Deneb.
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Well I did a nice clean install of OS3.1 on the new hard drive, installed the Deneb software, installed LHA, installed MUI and ran the USB stack. Everything works great.
I tested the memory stick and it came straight up and then I tested the USB drive again, but this time it mounted with the correct file system and my good old AmigaOS3.9 icon and Emergency-boot icon appeared on the screen.
Now I just need some Kickstart 3.1 ROMS and I can try to install OS3.9 off the USB DVD+R drive.
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I know you want to scream "RTFM!!!" at me
Nah, I know you have a lot on your mind.
Let us know if you can get the USB cd drive to work ok?
It would be nice for people to know what kind of devices
work with the Deneb.
Regards,
Lloyd
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MozzerFan wrote:
Nah, I know you have a lot on your mind.
Let us know if you can get the USB cd drive to work ok?
It would be nice for people to know what kind of devices
work with the Deneb.
Regards,
Lloyd
We must have been posting at the same time. :-)
That USB DVD+R is working great now I cleaned up the OS3.1 installation.
Also, my wife came out of the hospital yesterday. Unfortunately after going through another bunch of tests they're still not sure what's causing her heart problems and recommend that she just keeps taking the medications. At least they seem sure there's no damage to the heart and that something is just screwing the rhythem up from time to time.
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That USB DVD+R is working great now
Great !!!
Also, my wife came out of the hospital yesterday
Glad that didn't find anything serious. Best wishes for you and your wife.
Regards,
Lloyd
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Darrin, glad your wife is home. Hope the doctors get to the bottom of what ails her soon.
Also pleased to hear you got the USB CD-ROM working so well. The Deneb really does drag us into the new century when it comes to modern, common peripherals. If I didn't already save several external NEC SCSI CD drives from the trash at work, I'd go with USB for optical drives sure.
My final vote of confidence for Deneb and Poseidon: I ordered a second Deneb from AmigaKit yesterday and a couple of Belkin F5D5050 USB Ethernet adapters from Amazon today.
Once I get networking through USB/Deneb working on two Amigas, I will have freed up two X-Surf cards for two more of my Amigas.
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@Darrin,
Have they checked your wife's breathing rate? I have an irregular heart beat from time to time that was traced to the fact that my respiration is very slow, half what is normal and I have a lung capacity that is 20% to 30% larger than normal for my body weight (something to do with being athletic when I was young, I ran everywhere). They told me that when carbon-dioxide builds up in my lungs it can trigger an additional heart beat that is out of sync with my normal rhythm and can feel like my heart has skipped a beat. When it happens several times in quick succession it feels like my heart has stopped for several seconds and can be painful. I look down at my chest and ask "are you going to start back up, or what?"
There was no treatment recommended, but it is still troubling and I think I am going to get a second opinion soon, but it does not happen often and sometimes I can go for many months without a single occurance. Hope this is helpful, and if it is not the case for your wife, at least you can rule out one more possible cause.
@mbrantley,
Let us know how the USB networking goes on the Amiga, what was the price for the USB networking adapters?
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amigadave wrote:
Let us know how the USB networking goes on the Amiga, what was the price for the USB networking adapters?
Will do. The Belkin adapters were $21.27 apiece, and I ordered two. I was hoping to find one in town today (Staples had this on their Web site), but I had no luck with that. So this will be a project for next week, maybe.
Edit: I guess one of these posts made me a "Technoid." Gotta get me a propeller hat.
:-P
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mbrantley wrote:
Once I get networking through USB/Deneb working on two Amigas, I will have freed up two X-Surf cards for two more of my Amigas.
Keep us informed on that please. I only have one Amiga hooked up to the net at the moment and that's one of my A1200 towers via a PCMCIA network card from Amigakit. I have to say that teh software AMigakit supply with it maked setting it up a breeze. I only wish I'd bought their wireless card instead of the wired one.
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amigadave wrote:
@Darrin,
Have they checked your wife's breathing rate? I have an irregular heart beat from time to time that was traced to the fact that my respiration is very slow, half what is normal and I have a lung capacity that is 20% to 30% larger than normal for my body weight (something to do with being athletic when I was young, I ran everywhere). They told me that when carbon-dioxide builds up in my lungs it can trigger an additional heart beat that is out of sync with my normal rhythm and can feel like my heart has skipped a beat. When it happens several times in quick succession it feels like my heart has stopped for several seconds and can be painful. I look down at my chest and ask "are you going to start back up, or what?"
There was no treatment recommended, but it is still troubling and I think I am going to get a second opinion soon, but it does not happen often and sometimes I can go for many months without a single occurance. Hope this is helpful, and if it is not the case for your wife, at least you can rule out one more possible cause.
They've checked everything with her. They even removed her thyroid because they thought that was to blame and fused two vertebras in her neck in case it was the pressure from a ruptured disk on the spinal column that was causing it. They can see the problem on the charts, but they just can't narrow down what's causing it. At least it's not heart disease and the medication she's on now helps a lot.
She's back to work now and thankfully she's a Registered Nurse so if she has a turn at work then she'll be in the right place. :-)
I’d go for a second opinion if I were you. It certainly won’t hurt and it might shine some light on the problem.