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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: redrumloa on May 13, 2008, 12:15:15 PM
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I may entertain selling my 128T project WIP, if someone wants to make a realistic offer. Keep in mind the integrated SuperCPU 128 alone has sold for over $1000 on eBay recently. I probably have 100++ hours labor into this and who kows how many hundred in Rat Shack + Mouser orders.
No I am not getting out my C= hobby, but as usual life throws a curveball and I don't know if I can justify the cost and time to finish this project. I can start a new project when things settle a bit, if I do sell.
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Already!? What gives?
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tokyoracer wrote:
Already!? What gives?
Life. The economy in the USA, especially Florida, is in the crapper. My employment situation is uncertain atm to say the least. I have a wife, 4 kids and 2 dogs to feed, cloth and shelter. Luxuries like this will take a back seat until things get settled.
That said I will only sell for a realistic price. I'm not desperate at this time, just cautious.
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Amiga > Life. :lol:
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@ Red
Maybe you should spend more time playing with computers and you wouldn't have so many mouths to feed :-D
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Must say im surprised as well. Mind you, planning ahead is a good thing.
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Keep in mind the integrated SuperCPU 128 alone has sold for over $1000 on eBay recently.
God, why? Had the SuperCPU caught on in the late 1980s and a substantial library of software been made for it, maybe these things would be worth something. And for the 128... there's a serious lack of software for a standard 128, is there even any useful software for a SuperCPU 128? Other than collector value, the SuperCPUs seem relatively useless. I really can't fathom why they're so valuable.
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Other than collector value, the SuperCPUs seem relatively useless. I really can't fathom why they're so valuable.
There's your answer.
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redrumloa wrote:
tokyoracer wrote:
Already!? What gives?
Life. The economy in the USA, especially Florida, is in the crapper. My employment situation is uncertain atm to say the least. I have a wife, 4 kids and 2 dogs to feed, cloth and shelter. Luxuries like this will take a back seat until things get settled.
That said I will only sell for a realistic price. I'm not desperate at this time, just cautious.
I'd keep it if I were you, Red. If life gets expensive, selling things is not the way... Change of lifestyle, being concious of where to cut costs on dayly basis, is.
And you KNOW you'll regret it.
It's advice from my grandparents, who survived the WW2.
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> And you KNOW you'll regret it.
True.
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@Speelgoedmannetje
It's not always that easy. First of all I think his kids would love to go to the doctor if they are sick. Medical insurance is a pretty penny. Eating is something everyone likes to do at least once a day.
Most of us have to drive long distances to get to meager paying jobs so at $4.00 a gallon it still kills us. I know with that one people will say get a smaller car. A lot of us have the vehicles we have because of specific needs and jobs we had, and some of us have credit that won't allow us to get newer cars.
I'm sure living in hurricane country, his home insurance is really high. Uprooting your family isn't such a good idea at times to try to get around that.
There are other things too. Because this country was founded on people wanting to live on a higher standard of living, that cost is felt in everything. Services, food, everything.
Because the guy that is packing flour at the plant that goes in all our food has expenses too, his company is going to charge accordingly. Add in fuel prices, a lot of us are hurting.
Companies are doing dirty things to get after people that look like they are going to be in debt to them. Benefits are being slashed, everything is collapsing.
Yes selling stuff is the answer. What good is a toy if your house gets foreclosed :-?
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@justthatgood.
I hear ya. The GM plant in my area is slashing hundreds of jobs. Except for gas prices, that's all I hear about 'round town.
I've worked in an automotive industry related software company for over 7 years. My wife still works there. I consult for them at the moment. Everybody is making cuts.
Most of the money I made selling my Amigas on eBay since March has gone into savings. Other than a few dollars to charity, the economic tax refund we got went to savings too.
I was thinking of re-siding the house and putting in new windows, but that's on hold indefinitely. If it's still good enough, it's not going to be changed.
Hope you don't loose your job Red. I'll keep you in "mind".
Fester
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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
I'd keep it if I were you, Red. If life gets expensive, selling things is not the way... Change of lifestyle, being concious of where to cut costs on dayly basis, is.
And you KNOW you'll regret it.
It's advice from my grandparents, who survived the WW2.
In a perfect world I'd keep it all. In times like this I won't think twice to sell if times get tough. I can't even think about my hobby right now. If/when the situation gets better, I can buy this stuff again. I have a lot of time into this project, but I had fun doing it. I won't sell for cheap at this point, but if I do sell I can always have new projects down the road.
The economy is grim, if the worst case scenario happens I can't use classic computers living in a cardboard box.
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I respect the guy for "maybe" wanting to sell his project.
But, I have to agree that this is a thing most of us would regret sooner or later.
Gas prices are a bad excuse, in little Denmark we pay about 2,25$ per LITER!
That's just about 8,50$ pr Gallon!
1 Gallon = 3,78 Liter Online Conversion (http://www.onlineconversion.com/volume.htm)
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@justthatgood
You summed it up pretty well, times are bad.
@Fester
Thanks, unfortunately I am losing my job June 30. My company has handled it as well as could be expected and gave plenty of advance warning, so there is no ill feelings. Unfortunately the job market for my field is a barren wasteland. I'm looking and I still have ~6 weeks to find something..
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@taunusand
I never stated gas prices was the reason, loss of job is. However what people are saying here is valid. It isn't just the tripling of gas price in the last 5 years, it is food and just about everything else. The dollar is the whipping boy of world currencies I hate to say.
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There is no national healtcare in U.S.A. ??? I thought U.S.A. is civilized coyntry :-?
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utri007 wrote:
There is no national healtcare in U.S.A. ??? I thought U.S.A. is civilized coyntry :-?
That is another subject for Amiga.org's sister site (http://www.whyzzat.com/forums/) ;-)
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Hey Jim,
I hate to see you parting with this project. :-(
Is there any chance you can get together with Amiga Inc's lawyers and then sell it to someone with a buy-back option in the contract? ;-)
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@Red,
I'm sorry to hear about your job matey, hope things pick up in the near future for you.
Regards
Rich
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@redrumloa
I did not mean to argue with you on this, I'm sorry if you thought that!
I respect you for whatever you decide to do with your C128T.
I followed the threads about building this machine, so I think it's sad, IF you sell it. Of course, it's also bad to loose a job.
Somone else in the thread mentioned gas prices at 4$ pr gallon, for me this sounds cheap, so I did a little calculating.. Result, I pay about double the price.
In denmark we do have free health care, but the goverment have been talking about taking that away for years. I hope that I don't get sick when/if that happends..
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Well I just don't understand :-) we must be really poor because we have free healtcare and education.
That was sarcastic comment about taxes
http://www.whyzzat.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2500
U.S.A army supporting genocide in Iran?
http://www.aina.org/releases/2007053195824.htm
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Hopefully you can keep it, I've yet to see a cooler 8-bit, that's for sure.
Pretty much _everyone_ I know is hanging on to their cash ATM (but I don't think this will last forever).
Anyway, I'll be keeping you in mind, hope things turn around for the better.
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Well Petrol (gas) is a real problem for me at £1.10 / $2.20 a litre! You yanks barly have to pay that to the gallon, no wonder people can afford to use it all up with all the 6.0 V8 SUV's.
[EDIT] I feel a bit of a side-track coming, sorry for contributing. I will stop now I promice!
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@taunusand
That would be me that mentioned that.
Yes I know that y'all pay more for fuel. As for what tokyoracer was saying, not everyone has an SUV. There are some of us that actually have to travel 40 miles one way to get a job that pays about $6 dollars because in some places there ARE NO JOBS.
Because of the fuel prices and the insurance rates, companies aren't shy about cutting people from jobs. A lot of the areas don't have mass public transportation. A lot of the roads aren't safe enough to ride bicycles, and it's nearly impossible to get around on 25 miles of country road to get to a job (if you manage to find one)
In the United States, everything is tied to oil. Our economy is tied to oil. Energy, commerce, reality. I've felt that pinch, I'm still feeling it. Everyday I'm pray that I wake up to a job the next day. All it takes is a good portion of my customers that don't want to spend money on gas, so they don't spend money on other products. It gets worse.
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red, I hate to say this but, if you REALLY must sell it, you have to split it apart for the most bang for the buck. just my two yens :)
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Your life is a rollercoaster ride, mister red. :-o
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No. But thank you for asking.
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Red, I'm sorry to hear about your troubles. Back when I worked for AI and they hadn't paid us for six months, I had to sell my beloved A3000T/CyberstormPPC 233/Cybervision system. It paid the rent for a month :-(
Don't sell. I still regret selling the T to this day! I use this Mac every day, but don't enjoy any computer now like I did the 3000T. Although I did/do get some enjoyment out of the Pegasos, it was very useful too, till the HDD and my tons of mp3s all went to silicon heaven :-( It's such a pain to get MorphOS going, with the updates and all that. It works great once you get it set up, I just haven't had the time to do so. We'll see if MorphOS 2.0 fixes these woes, it is supposed to.
Now I'm getting all nostalgic for the fifty pound hunk of West Chester steel goodness, it was the main ship's computer when we lived in our bus. I overclocked its CPU so I could play Quake faster, then spent a week playing it till the end which was kind of anti-climactic actually..
I had a X-surf NIC in it, an I/O Extender. I used it to scan stuff in, Mac and PC don't have any simple, sturdy scan software which is the equal of Betascan.
Don't sell it. There are other ways to make money. Ride your bike to your job and save the gas money. I have clients who ride their bicycles to work, 20 and 30 miles one way, it can be done. You'd be surprised how much a bike can carry :-)
I'll say it one more time.. Don't sell your 128 tower!!
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I'd really love to buy it, but I'm afraid my wife would kill me if I paid anywhere near what it is worth.
I'll keep my fingers crossed that you'll line a job up soon. I'd hate to see you part with it after all the time and effort that has gone into it.
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Hey Red, Sorry this is so behind everyone else, I, like everyone else here at A.org, hope you can find a job soon. I'm Graduating from college in a year and it is scaring me how fast jobs are dissapearing.
Really, good luck...
J Golden
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@justthatgood
I also have a "low paid" job, don't have acces to public transportation, can't use my bicycle to get to my job.
I have to drive an old ugly VW Golf Diesel every day to work, just because it can drive about 45 miles per gallon. That's a car that costs about 1600$, witch is absolutly low cost in Denmark.
But I manage to pay my house, car and everyday expences. I'm not rich, don't have the modern clothes or other things that some of my friends does.
I don't complain, I just mean, don't think that I have better economy than you :-)
A friend of mine recently moved about 30 miles to get a new job, they fired 5 people where he worked before. We also have to live with changing jobs all the time. I'm just happy that I work the same place since october 2001, great job but low/average pay.
Anyway, sorry. I believe this is off topic.
I think you'll regret selling the C128T, but sometimes that's what to do :boohoo:
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After a lot of thought, I've decided to not sell at this time. I would rather see this project through to completion. Thanks for all the responses, on both sides. Hopefully in July if things go well I can continue on this beast.
Here's hoping things go well.. :-)
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Make two, sell one. Kinda like what they do in China. :oops:
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weirdami wrote:
Make two, sell one. Kinda like what they do in China. :oops:
That would be fine, except the amount of work involved make it purely a labor of love :-o
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taunusand wrote:
I have to drive an old ugly VW Golf Diesel every day to work, just because it can drive about 45 miles per gallon. That's a car that costs about 1600$, witch is absolutly low cost in Denmark.
sorry to continue pushing this further off-topic, but I drove an diesel rabbit and loved it. that was the best car I have ever owned. if you're only getting 45mpg, try changing the filters - it should really do better than that by a little. :) btw, if you were to own that car in the us, assuming it doesn't have rust or any large problems, you'd easily get 3 times what you paid for it. my brother owned a vw tdi station wagon that he used for work, putting completely abusive new york city miles on it every day of the week, and he still got more than he paid for it because of the price of gasoline, which at the time was at least half a dollar lower. many americans would gladly swap you a new-ish SUV for what you've got.
what many people don't realize is that americans are scared by the rate of increase in gas prices, not just how high they are. they're not high, not even when compared to canada. what's frightening is that the price has risen by 300% in less than 15 years. gasoline was less than a dollar a gallon when I started driving, and now I'm paying more than $4.50 a gallon. (granted, this is for 92 octane, but still...) and in the last two years, it's gone from a little more than $2.50 in most places to nearly double that. If that second derivative is any indication, we are in deep trouble here.
I wish they'd import more low-consumption vehicles into the us; If I could get a lupo with the 1.2L 3-cylinder engine in this country, I'd sell every computer I own to get one and replace them using the money I'd save on gas in the first year alone. 78mpg sounds _great_ to me; so why are these cars unavailable here?
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redrumloa wrote:
After a lot of thought, I've decided to not sell at this time. I would rather see this project through to completion. Thanks for all the responses, on both sides. Hopefully in July if things go well I can continue on this beast.
Here's hoping things go well.. :-)
Good luck Jim. I'd hate to see you parting with that machine after all of the work you've put into it.
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@pkillo
np about off topic, actually it is somewhat on topic:-)
I happen to own a 2006 VW TDI Golf myself, the best I have gotten is ~41mpg highway. Then again it is a turbo and I have a heavy foot.. :-D
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pkillo wrote:
I wish they'd import more low-consumption vehicles into the us; If I could get a lupo with the 1.2L 3-cylinder engine in this country, I'd sell every computer I own to get one and replace them using the money I'd save on gas in the first year alone. 78mpg sounds _great_ to me; so why are these cars unavailable here?
Ok, just to be not-so-off-topic: I'm glad you are keeping it Red. You can buy things back later, but not your work. This is the important part.
We have a nice solution here. You can buy a light weight alcohol powered 1 liter engine car (like a Fiat Mille or Chevrolet Celta) that does something close to 20 Kilometers per liter (take you HP calculator and convert to Mpg. I always have to do the reverse way :-D ). I really believe americans would hate the performance of 1 liter engines (we do), but we use to say that this is the best thing you can have for a daily driver
Alcohol is cheaper, less pollutive, and gives you more horsepower (Ok, you will have some cold start headaches in winter....). Unfortunately, my car has a gasoline engine :-?
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redrumloa wrote:
@pkillo
np about off topic, actually it is somewhat on topic:-)
I happen to own a 2006 VW TDI Golf myself, the best I have gotten is ~41mpg highway. Then again it is a turbo and I have a heavy foot.. :-D
Hehe. is it a 5-speed or does it have one of those tip-tronic systems? I'll have to ask my brother what mods he did to his! I remember something about a better air intake at the least... things like that tend to be cheap compared to gas, these days, and make a difference on the mileage.
edit: @aeroman: americans have more cars per capita and many have high performance, low gas milage models which they would gladly drive only on the weekend if their other car could be less costly. I have seen a large insurgence in the number of 'smart cars' and similar alternate vehicles in the US lately. If these companies would sell these cars here, we'd buy them.
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First of all..
@Rearumloa - I'm glad to hear that you keed your tower projekt :-)
@pkillo
My ugly Golf (http://gemdet.nu/2/42761dsc00222.jpg)
Last week, I spent the most af a day welding (I think it's called that), because of rust. My drivers seat was on it's way out of the bottom :roll:
It's a former post-car, imported from germany. Used a lot..
It is WITHOUT turbo!
The left door has a different collour, the interior will newer look good again, rust stains over most of the car, etc.. What I mean: No way I'm gonna get more for that car than I gave for it ;-)
But it is wery cheap for me to own, compared to a lot of other cars. A good thing is that I can repair most things myself, lucky for me there has been surprisingly few repairs.
FYI - Air and fuel filters are changed, and the mpg (in Denmark: km/l) are the same as ather Golf Diesel owners that I have heard of. 18-22km/l
A Lupo are an economic car, but not wery practical. You can't have a trailer with a Lupo. Is it called a trailer? I hope you know what I mean. The trunk is wery little.
A friend of my sold his Lupo because it was wery expensive in repairs.
Again, sorry to be off topic :roll:
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My ugly Golf (http://gemdet.nu/2/42761dsc00222.jpg)
It looks just like mine, but yellow instead of black. Too bad about the rust.
But it is wery cheap for me to own, compared to a lot of other cars. A good thing is that I can repair most things myself, lucky for me there has been surprisingly few repairs.
FYI - Air and fuel filters are changed, and the mpg (in Denmark: km/l) are the same as ather Golf Diesel owners that I have heard of. 18-22km/l
The old diesels are very reliable. The mileage rating I was speaking of was for the newer turbo TDI models, which do slightly better than the old ones.
A Lupo are an economic car, but not wery practical. You can't have a trailer with a Lupo. Is it called a trailer? I hope you know what I mean. The trunk is wery little.
A friend of my sold his Lupo because it was wery expensive in repairs.
All newer cars are expensive to maintain; I don't mind not having a trunk; I once owned a Yugo and it had none at all (or glovebox either)! :-P I drive a New Beetle now, and it's worthless for cargo as it is; no trunk just means less room for trash to pile up.. :)
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@pkillo
It is a 5 speed, of course :-D
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@pkillo
I need the trunk, I live on a former farm, I have to transport materials somehow ;-)
I'm not afraid of rust, but I'm afraid of periodic control. Every second year a car in Denmark have to be controlled and get a certificate, if not, then the police takes the number plate.
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Bout that Lupo, VW/Audi had 2 "3-Litre"-cars back than (the other being the A2 with the same 1.2L TDI), but prices were so insane (you could easily buy a car 2 classes bigger with loads of extras for the same money), that they sold miserably and were canceled after a few years.
The only 3-Litre car you can still buy new today is the Smart-4Two-CDI, but that really a 3.49-Litre car and also costs your 1st-born (no problem as you won't have place for any kids anyway) :crazy:
I'll rather stick to my solution, only drive 6000km (or even less) a year with your own car ...... :-P
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@taunusand: Every second year isn't that bad. My car is registered in New York, which requires an inspection every year (at the vehicle owner's expense, of course), and if you don't pass you can't legally use the car until it is repaired.
As far as a trunk goes, well, if you need one, you need one. Personally, I can do without it, and would be more than happy to lose the extra weight it adds to the rear end of the car, both for efficiency, and performance. :)
@Kronos: if a car costs twice as much to buy, and half as much to go a mile or kilometer, it's only a matter of time before it pays for itself. I drove 30,000 miles this last year (granted, I did move across the US in it, but that's only a tenth of the driving I did)... hmm, at $3.50 a gallon on average (probably a low estimate), those miles cost me about $3500. Now, my car cost me $5500 (used). so total cost, neglecting maintenance that any car would need, was $9000. If I was getting 75 mpg instead of ~30, the gas cost would drop to $1400. So I could have spent $7600 on a more efficient car, and broken even after the first year. If I own my car 5 years, and gas averages $5 over that time period (which it will, I expect), then assuming I put 150,000 miles on it I will have spent $25000 on gas alone. If I had that 75mpg car, the gas would be $10000. I'd much rather have spent $20000 on the car, and $10000 on gas, than $5000 on the car, and $25000 on gas! Unfortunately, I could not buy a vehicle that efficient here in the US, because the only one sold here that was that good was the Honda Insight, which was taken out of production about a week before I called the dealership to order one. That car was, IIRC, about $18000-20000 new, so I would have broken even, dumped far fewer carbon compounds into the water and air, and been able to drive around town even when temporarily broke, as happens from time to time.
(sorry for the continued off-topic posting, but the lack of efficient cars here is driving me up the wall...)
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@pkillo
Okay :-o
I'm surprised to hear that! I thought Denmark was one of the few countries that had car inspection. I know that there are other countries that don't require that.. Until 1998 we only had to have our car inspectet, if we bought one that had not been inspected for the past year.
There are different kind of "needs" for a car, i often have to transport different kind af goods with my car, I also need to have a every day car that I will not worry if it gets a little dent of scratch.
But I agree, most people just need a car for transport from A to B, and I also agree that it should be an economic car, to save the gas and save the enviroment.
I bought that old '87 Golf because it was cheap to buy, cheap to buy spare parts for and more economic than most cars in DK. But still.. Most people overhere spend over 100.000kr (about 21.000USD) to buy a car. The tax for a new car over here are over the double of the car value. My boss spend about 200.000USD to buy one of thoose "big" Audi's!
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taunusand wrote:
Most people overhere spend over 100.000kr (about 21.000USD) to buy a car. The tax for a new car over here are over the double of the car value. My boss spend about 200.000USD to buy one of thoose "big" Audi's!
Damn, that is a LOT of money, and a heck of a tax rate! Here in the US, we just pay the regular sales tax rate when buying a car - it's usually never more than 10%, depending on where you live...
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redrumloa wrote:
The economy is grim, if the worst case scenario happens I can't use classic computers living in a cardboard box.
My point is/was, that selling your beloved classic computer(s) won't keep you alive much longer, so to say. Especially not when the economy is grim.
But I read on whyzzat that you're planning to grow your own food, which IMHO is a very wise decision :-)
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@pkillo
Yes, that is a lot of money, I will newer buy a new car. I feel that I pay enougt tax through diesel/gasoline.
There are also registration tax, part of the insurance are tax, and so on. Even if I buy oil, a battery or some other car products, there are tax. 42% of my pay are tax.
After all thoose taxes, I begin to wonder what danish kroner (DKR) are worth...
Anyway, I don't feel poor or rich, I live well.
The reason that I began to argue about the gas price was that you should know that "I don't think that you have fewer money than I do" ;-)
We both have good things and bad things. I don't know.. Would you have free hospitals and then pay the double gas price?
I'm not sure what is best. You have some kind af healt insurance, or?
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taunusand wrote:
We both have good things and bad things. I don't know.. Would you have free hospitals and then pay the double gas price?
I'm not sure what is best. You have some kind af healt insurance, or?
I would gladly pay US$5 per _litre_ of gas if I my fiancee and I didn't have to spend and average of US$800 a month on health expenses. (That's more than our rent and utility payments.) She has insurance through her employer but it pays for nothing, and I have no insurance through my employer because I work for a small software firm, and it's literally impossible to purchase a health insurance plan here if you don't have a group of 25 people (50 for the better plans that would actually cover my medical expenses). So far this year, I am out of pocket over $5000 on medical bills, copays, and premiums.
I pay $300 a month just for the premiums on my insurance, which I'm luck to have. (I'm insured under the Oregon Medical Insurance Pool, which is basically a cooperative sponsored by the state government.) Most people in the US have no insurance, or will have no insurance starting the moment they need it to pay for something bigger than a check-up. The insurance companies just decide you're 'uninsurable' and laugh all the way to the bank while you suffer and/or die, and the pharmaceutical companies are screwing us, too. I take one medication that costs $40 _per dose_.
If you get health care for free, or even a reasonable rate (whether they call it taxes or something else), you are really lucky. I can't wait until I move to Canada at the end of the summer. Yippee!
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@pkillo
Wow, that's just too much!! I feel luckey, I have not needed a doctor or a hospital in several years. Except for a dentist, wich I have to pay for myself. Dentists do overcharge here, about 1000kr / 200USD just for pulling out two of my teeth.. That's under 15 minutes of work!! I spend about 1400kr / 300USD on a filling, just under 30minutes of work. I have an insurance that covers about half of the dentist bill, but still.. Overcharge!! The same in the US, just worse, I can see that doctors/hospitals really overcharge.
In my opinion, life saving healt care / surgery should be payed over the taxes. It is human lives we are talking about!
But I don't know what the tax rates are in the US.
We have to pay most of our medicine ourselves, medicine are wery expensive, that is the same as for you.
Still, 800USD are the same as some pay for health expenses here in DK. It is ONLY the hospitals that are free.
Medicine, dentists and so on, we still have to pay for
My mom had cancer (no worry, that is years ago, after surgery she is okay) she was fired because of she was sick. My dad died several years ago and my brother and I was about 7 abd 12 years back then. Low income, rent, two kids and so on, and medicine she had to pay herself. I have been a part of wery bad financial times myself, I have nothing to complaín about now, but it is absolutly not funny :-(
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>I would gladly pay US$5 per _litre_ of gas if I my fiancee and I didn't have to spend and average of US$800 a month on health expenses. (That's more than our rent and utility payments.)...
In certain cases, it's better to let the body heal itself of the disease entirely rather than fill up a doctor's billing records with more CPTs and ICDs. Body does try to heal itself of everything "bad" that happens to it or you do to it. You can aid that usually with fasting on raw vegetables/fruits for a day or two-- just like shutting down certain background tasks in a computer to give more CPU time to other tasks.
As far as gas, you can extend that principle that nature also tries to keep things at some equilibrium and all the gas useage is polluting the atmosphere so an alternative is needed and price pressures/natural disasters may help to take it in that direction. What ever happened to the electric cars? Even if they are not as fast, it's a step in the right direction like earlier B&W 8088 laptops. I guess unless you desire/deserve it, it won't happen.