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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: AmigaBlitter on August 08, 2003, 07:24:21 AM
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Well, the a1 system with the non complete os4 are around the world for a trip, but what are the real release date of this product???
i Think that Amiga inc. must bu clear this situation :-?
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I dont know when its going to happen, but I am in no big hurry for it. I just user windoze for the time being.
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Winbloze? :destroy:
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Wolfe wrote:
Winbloze? :destroy:
Only OS that works. I did go with Linux for a moment, but it messes up as soon as I install a different video card. I used the Mandrake Distro.
I just hope OS4 gets released, then I can look into buying it. :-D
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Whatcha mean AmigaOne release date? The AmigaOne was released to end users in February this year. Earlybird, but still end users.
The product we're WAITING for is AmigaOS4 to run on it. And the release date for the AmigaOne version of that has not been set because it's still unknown.
The CSPPC version is still being aimed for September (about a month from now, +- a few weeks for accidents that happen last minute). The AmigaOne version then follows immediately after that. I'm still confident that we'll see it this year. But the AmigaOne has been released, there's no question about that.
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@ kd7ota
I try to run every OS possible to get a feel or test drive. But, my house is winbloze free. I refuse to support the "Gates" minions. IMO the worst thing to happen to computing. Gates + The Borg = twins. No Offense meant.
I just hope OS4 gets released, then I can look into buying it.
Me Too...... :-D
If they ever create a worthy PPC board with DDR memory I might become PC free as well. (getting there anyway, slowly but surely).
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kd7ota wrote:
Wolfe wrote:
Winbloze? :destroy:
Only OS that works. I did go with Linux for a moment, but it messes up as soon as I install a different video card. I used the Mandrake Distro.
Well, you have to understand what you're up against when using *NIX. The display system (normally XFree86) is an entirely optional component, and indeed, probably could be better no matter which side of the fence (love the X design methodology or hate it) you're on. Now, there *is* no reason the system shouldn't be able to detect your card, and load the appropriate driver or server - or just try to fall back to standard VESA options - but that's work, some things are moving targets, and quite frankly, the major distros didn't even *try* for a long time... Which makes some sense; how often does the average desk jockey or home user change video cards, vs. needing to read their e-mail or work with their (on-screen) desktop? "Linux usability" has until recently been focused on making it look pretty and feature-competetive with MS and Apple.
But there's hope; Knoppix has made some advancements in automatic hardware detection (and having the *rest* of your average Linux distribution do the right thing once that hardware's detected), while increasing standards support in hardware (like those VESA modes, cruddy as they may be) mean things are becoming a lot nicer today (and on today's hardware) than they were 5 years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if the latest Mandrake (or Lindows, Lycoris, etc) have started to bum the work from Knoppix, though I haven't looked closely enough to see if they have.
*Yes, Mandrake does require the 'optional' XFree86; Linux distributions involve tradeoffs, and like nearly every distro outside of the embedded space, they've decided it's better to stick with the 'standard' software is readily available for than to try something different with, say, Qt and KDE directly on the Linux Framebuffer or whatever the new accellerated? interface is called. It doesn't hurt that Mandrake has also had some of its bigger wins taking advantage of X11 features in thin client environments... So they're trading fiddliness in one direction for capabilities in another.
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olegil: matter of definition.. to many it's not Amiga enough untill it gets AmigaOS. And quite frankly selling it with Linux only has not been too positive experience to many of early system purchasers.
I sincerely hope they can get it done (for Aone) in this year, but unfortunately with their existing Os4 track record, woudl not bet on it.
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@AmigaBlitter
Do not hold your breath, but I think they will appear eventually...
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Well, to me it looks like people aren't even aware that the AmigaOne is shipping and has been for half a year.
To be quite frank, it's not Eyetechs fault that earlybird users who have never even tried Linux decide to install it and play without even reading a manual. Yes, we had some problems with kernels. But we also had a LOT of problems with people not knowing how to upgrade Debian or shut down their computers without doing things they shouldn't have. Linux isn't like AmigaOS. If you break a file in /etc/, you might not get it back up again. Yes, you can "start with no startup-sequence", aka go single user. But you would have to know the system to work from there. Not throwing dirt here, it's just that people who expect to know everything about Linux after a day of using it are wrong...
Hopefully we'll see OS4 soon, I agree with that ;-)
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Gates + The Borg = twins. No Offense meant.
Offense for who ? The borgs ? :-)
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Hello
I am waiting for G5 2.5 GHz, because according to
PC vendors anything below 2 GHz is DEAD DUCK.
Perhaps I should try Dual Opteron at the same
price as AmigaOne.
>Linux shutdown problem.
On Windows, there is a similar problem and
turning off your system without shutdown several
times may destroy / damage your hard disk.
Perhaps someone can create and distribute Linux
Knoppix PowerPC for AmigaOne. On my PC,
I disconnect the hard drive and use Knoppix X86.
When I want to turn off PC, I just push the
power button!
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Uhm, you're going to buy a G5 2.5GHz because Windows/Office/PC games require more than 2GHz?
You know there won't be a Windows version to run on it, right?
Come on, engage your own brain, ok? The only one of the above that actually SHOULD benefit from that kind of CPU power is games, and gamers around the world are using XBox, Gamecube and PS2. None of these can compete with a 1GHz G4 and a new graphics card. I agree that OpenOffice is a BEAST and requires at least 6GHz of CPU power (I only have a 2.2GHz P4, and I weep every time I use the frelling thing), but all my other things run just fine on the G3/G4.
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Elwood wrote:
Gates + The Borg = twins. No Offense meant.
Offense for who ? The borgs ? :-)
They're a lovely couple who live just down the road from me.
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Asian
These are two seperate markets, the PC market is only selling >2GHz from new at the moment on x86 for a platform that runs WindowsXP variants and Linux.
The PowerPC market is running >800Mhz at the moment for MacOSX ( although you can run nicely at about half that ) and the AmigaOS4 market, when it exists, will come in at >600Mhz for new hardware.
Waiting for G5 is pointless, IMHO, AOS4 will not exploit the chip for some time to come and first we need a PPC northbridge supplied for A1 ( and in the alternative market - pegasos/morphos they have the same challenge ).
Remember, even when Amiga was at its prime, you had to treat it as a different market as far as MHz was compared.
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No offense meant, but there always will be excuses. Even if it will have G5 and DDR memory, there will be new excuses by then. For something AmigaOS like even a 600 MHz CPU can be overkill (just spoke with Rajnai Almos today concerning Petunia speeds under 604/180 OS4 today, and know beta1 users with MOS/JIT experience) - and believe me, on a G3/G4 even a static 68K emu with nativ PPC kernel will be blazingly fast, not to mention the MOS/OS4 JIT speeds and native applications.
Something important to remember: it's NOT windows.
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asian1 wrote:
Hello
I am waiting for G5 2.5 GHz, because according to
PC vendors anything below 2 GHz is DEAD DUCK.
Here we go... Mercedes dealers say that anything below an S class is a hooptie. What are you running that requires 2.5 GHz? Quake 495? :-D
I used to work at a telecom manufacturer for many years. Most of that hardware is running 68020s! My phones still work :-P
Don't believe the hype man. If your PC works for you, then stay there. Don't upgrade because some PC dealer wants to make more money.
-Thorrin
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Remember, even when Amiga was at its prime, you had to treat it as a different market as far as MHz was compared.
This is true. My 600Mhz peggy is blazing fast for most tasks, and this is BEFORE JIT! There is very little native PPC software I find myself lacking desired speed for. Amigaone/OS4 SHOULD be the same.
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Amigaones are already out and os 4 is still coming. :-)
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redrumloa wrote:
Remember, even when Amiga was at its prime, you had to treat it as a different market as far as MHz was compared.
This is true. My 600Mhz peggy is blazing fast for most tasks, and this is BEFORE JIT! There is very little native PPC software I find myself lacking desired speed for. Amigaone/OS4 SHOULD be the same.
I fear that if you were running a bunch of Softsynths and a non linear editing software (ie Logic audio)... you would not be so chuffed with 600Mhz... I know I'm not...
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bloodline wrote:
I fear that if you were running a bunch of Softsynths and a non linear editing software (ie Logic audio)... you would not be so chuffed with 600Mhz... I know I'm not...
I do all video renedering on my AltlonXP 2100 based PC, and it is SLOW. But I meant for generally computing.
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Hmmm...have you listened into the Amiwest 2003 show?
I tried asking that question myself, my question gets read out loud on UGN radio and the answer I was told "Christmas 2003". If there are no more problems completing the new OS, then we should have our gift! :-)