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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: da9000 on March 27, 2008, 04:01:50 AM
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looneycBay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270222404767)
BTW, someone please tell me this is an example of shill bidding, right?
Else, I'm starting to sell some of my precious items :-)
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Are this guy nuking futs?:crazy:
This is what I call a major rip-off-the-other-guy-spinal-cord!
For this amount I can buy a complete Mediator system, with Voodoo, ethernet, soundblaster, the A1200 itself and maybe a humble accelerator with the change!:insane:
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Something tells me those are not serious bids. I suspect the auction will get canceled by eBay or something. Just a guess.
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Well, if it is real, then we need a new batch of scandoublers so people don't have to get ripped off like that.
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The bids look pretty legit, I suggest it went for so much as it is compatible with all Amiga's.
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$910.00????? :crazy: :-o
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is this the same as the indivision ff/scand.?
i'm currently preparing to sell it together with a 600 w/030@40 8mb and other snacks, maybe i should sell it separately?
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kidkoala wrote:
is this the same as the indivision ff/scand.?
i'm currently preparing to sell it together with a 600 w/030@40 8mb and other snacks, maybe i should sell it separately?
I bet they wouldnt be laughing if there was newer amiga hardware on the horizon. If somebody gathered the data and sent it to Amiga themselves, would they consider producing the hardware at these prices?
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what do you mean? and how was that related to your qoute of me..i'm just morning-tired didn't understand it all :)
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amipac wrote:
$910.00????? :crazy: :-o
That's about 50 Euros these days. Seems a pretty decent price for a scandoubler :lol: :lol:
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McVenco wrote:
That's about 50 Euros these days. Seems a pretty decent price for a scandoubler :lol: :lol:
You missed one digit :-P It is 578 Euros :crazy:
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These are in fact serious bids....not shill. A friend of mine is the one who sold this item and for some of you to say he's ripping the buyer off is ridiculous. Unless I misunderstood of course.. :lol:
How was anyone supposed to know that the item would reach that high? Certainly not the seller if that seller is legit. The buyer chose to pay that and he's not the only one seeing as how the next highest bidder is the one who put it that amount. The auction was not canceled and it was in fact fully completed from what I understand.
Has anyone thought that maybe this guy is a developer and wanted the actual item to perhaps build his own design around it? Taking one look at his feedback would suggest so. Perhaps a musician who wanted to take advantage of the productivity screen modes for better sound? Who knows.
I think the price was about right to be honest. Adjusting for current interest in the system of course.
Just my two pence. :-D
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Wow my last post sounded snotty. My apologies.
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WOW! Somebody hit the motherload. I hate to see it happening being a buyer but I think we will only see more and more of this. I watch EBay most every day and it has been a long time (months and months) since I have seen one of these external flicker-fixers listed. If several people have been waiting for months and don't want to wait for months more for another one which may also go for a high price, then hold on to your hats and let the bidding begin. Look at how much the AmigaOne is going for ($2,400), PPC cards (over $1000), Picasso IV ($400-$500). You used to get an A4000D (barebones) for $200 or a little more. Now many go for close to $500. A4000T's were going for $300 to $400 and now are closer to $1000. Also, all of these people paying high prices for barebones computers are going to be in the market for the add-ons and have already proven that they are not afraid to spend money. I don't know if we will ever see new hardware such as PPC cards. They would have to sell new for $800 to $1000 and we are a community that wants to pay $200. People like Elbox know this.
Dan :-?
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With a small modification, THIS (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=150217363889&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=005) will work with an Amiga. I am using one of these with my 128D RGBi output on the 128 Tower project.
If people are that desparate, maybe I should convert a bunch of them and sell them on eBay. :idea:
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@redrumloa
i was sitting here wondering to sell my Indivision FF/SS and some other stuff before i saw this thread, would this card sync. down to PAL H.freq.?
I see it does 55Hz, that's not low enough in theory..but my LCD says 56Hz and i still can sync. to PAL with no problems..
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I want to build a new A1200 towered system, what are my options to get it working with a modern crt/lcd (15khz/50hz), other than the Indivision FF/SD and similar expensive solutions, I've heard about internal FF/SD for amigas?
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kidkoala wrote:
@redrumloa
i was sitting here wondering to sell my Indivision FF/SS and some other stuff before i saw this thread, would this card sync. down to PAL H.freq.?
I see it does 55Hz, that's not low enough in theory..but my LCD says 56Hz and i still can sync. to PAL with no problems..
No idea how it would handle PAL :-(
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Hoho, $910 this scandoubler must be gold or platinum... :-D
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I been scouting for a scandoubler/flicker fixer, but this ebay auction has shown me I just do not have enough game to play with the big boys of Amiga hardware acquisitions.
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Maybe I'm a lucky guy that I won my Arxon Scandoubler for only 56 euros, eh? :roll:
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Good one... in this case my Amiga is around 2-3x more expensive than my Core 2 Duo 2.66/2Gb... ;).
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At this point I can only say THANK GOODNESS I bought my Amiga stuff in the late 1990s and early 2000s. It's funny how I thought that I was paying too much back then for used hardware. But right now I'd say that $250CAD for an A3000 with 16MB RAM, 3640, Cybervision 64 card and other goodies wasn't a bad price.
The only good thing I can see coming from this, is that the high prices could lead some developer to notice that there IS a market for new Amiga hardware.
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Looks like someone did the "I'll put in a ridiculous bid (say $1000) and no one will out bid me, not even snipers" and then along came a sniper and thought "I'll bid $800 and I'll get it for sure"
Only thing is his $800 snipe failed, so he tried $900 and then laughed at the guy paying $910 for something both of them probably didn't want to pay over $500 for.
It's all in the bid timestamps :)
I wonder how much effect anti-sniping features in an auction engine would have on bidding.
tiffers
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That's not a joke! :-D :-D
I've spent more than 1000 euros to build my first A4000T... till now... but I'm willing to give more to expand it, especially with a CyberStorm MK3 CPU of course. 8-)
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@ Phantom
Sell me your Blizzard and expand your A4000T :lol:
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Which Blizzard do you want? The A1200's or the A4000's? :-D :-D
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A1200's :-) i don't have A4000 :-(
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A1200's? :-? :-? :idea: :idea: ....
.... No way.... :-D :-D
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If that's the same one I was watching a little while ago (and I'm pretty sure it is) bidding started at 99 cents with no reserve.
I stopped watching it when it hit 150 bucks.
So, the seller wasn't ripping anyone off - it's just a case of a couple of bid crazy people out there, and good luck to him!
Guess I'll be waiting a bit longer for a scandoubler :)
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Phantom wrote:
A1200's? :-? :-? :idea: :idea: ....
.... No way.... :-D :-D
Should i buy the A4000's Blizzard and just look at the board without use of it? :insane:
(sorry to get out of topic)
@ Sig999
Just the buyers gone insane!!! :-o
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Should i buy the A4000's Blizzard and just look at the board without use of it?
Yes! You must start from somewhere, if you want to build an A4000. :-D :-D
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Phantom wrote:
Should i buy the A4000's Blizzard and just look at the board without use of it?
Yes! You must start from somewhere, if you want to build an A4000. :-D :-D
:laughing: :laughing: :roflmao: :roflmao:
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I think the price was about right to be honest.
The price was "about right"? :lol: That's ridiculous, there's a guy making new ones for something like $65 shipped. Individual Computers stated there will likely be a new production run of the Indivision (probably less than $200), and there have been rumors of a new internal A1200/A4000 unit.
Plus, it's only 16-bit which is kind of "ghetto" for AGA use.
Even if the auction was legit (which I doubt), and there were a couple of of guys actually willing to bid ridiculous amounts, doesn't mean they're now "magically" worth quadruple what they normally sell for.
--edit-- Aside from the auctioneer's buddy, are there any others here who think $900 is a great deal for an external 16-bit scandoubler, and would gladly plunk down the cash? :D
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i put my ff/sd out on ebay yesterday, i'm in the process of putting up lots of stuff so it's more or less coincidental (i can see that people are interested in the sd right now so my timing is just about right;).
i won't cry if the auction ends at 300$ like it is now, i paid about 200$ for it and i'm happy with whatever bid over that.
a sidestory, if i remember right, is that this Indivision Scandoubler from Schönfelds Individual Computers, was to be priced at a bit over 100$ originally, but then the batch of goods was stalled because of war in the area of the ship heading for Germany or something?? hehe i might have dreamt this, can someone confirm? :) that's the reason why it had such a high price to begin with.
ofcourse i agree that 900$ is too much, i wouldn't pay that much for it anyway, but if some guy wants to, it's not wrong in itself is it? i mean people pay a lot of money for a lot of weird stuff that i wouldn't dream of paying _anything_ for..
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The auction was started at 99 cents.
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@kidkoala
The Indivision scandoubler did indeed retail at about $100 originally. In fact, that was what I paid for it in 2000 (I still have it). This is totally insane though... :crazy:
I guess I might sell it when I am ready for retirement in about 30 years and live comfortably off the cash I get, lol.
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Stuff is definately becoming expensive. As our machines get older and more and more people hold onto stuff, the prices start getting crazy:
LINK (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Amiga-1200-Apollo-1260-50Mhz-68060-32MB-ram_W0QQitemZ110236404582QQihZ001QQcategoryZ98928QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
and
LINK (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Amiga-4000-Cyberstorm-PPC-060-200Mhz-128MB-SCSI_W0QQitemZ110236401145QQihZ001QQcategoryZ98928QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
I remember selling similar items years ago for less money and there is still days to go on these - someone is going to pay through the roof to get PPC and 060 boards in their A1200/A4000 machines.
MODERATOR EDIT: Reason - Long URLs
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More mad prices for an Indivision:
LINK (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320232862700&ru=http://search.ebay.co.uk:80/320232862700_W0QQ_trksidZm37QQfromZR40QQfviZ1)
I have had 2 of these from new and they were both 100 pounds each (bough one in early 2000's, another a year or so ago). Mad prices, but if you cnnot source them elsewhere, whatcha gonna do?
Moderator edit: Reason - Long URL
Please use the link button (looks like a chain link) when adding links!
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I think the price was about right to be honest. Adjusting for current interest in the system of course.
No offense but are you effing kidding me? Was about right? I don't have a problem with the item ending that much, as it is the bidders peragitive on how much they want to pay. But I have a problem with your comment. $910 is INSANE for a scan doubler/flicker fixer! I paid $150 for mine (exact same one) like 2 years ago, and I think I OVERPAID!!
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The auction was started at 99 cents.
That is commendable and I am glad the seller was fair. Good for him to get that much, wish I could do so well!
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It was completely legit as he received payment in full..don't doubt the dream!
As far as new units are concerned it's all talk / rumors / ideas at this point and as we all know we probably shouldn't hold our breath for new items. After all..the original softhut listing still says that there will be another run of the toastscans in August but that was what, 2 years ago now?
As far as a question of being worth it and if it's magically worth the amounts they go for I think it's up to the people that pay for it. It seems to me that at least 3 people feel it is judging by the current / recent toastscan auctions.
Better $900 on a toastscan than a hooker.
Oh and as a sidenote the toastscan auction had 67 watchers.
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Maybe you're right. $910 is a bit overpriced and most certainly beyond my range. I bid $40. Ha!
Times are a changin' people. Get used to the high prices. I did! :crazy:
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It was probably mine that you bought and now I feel like I got shafted!
Dan :-o
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Is this the same as the indivision ff/scand.?
FYI if this is indeed NOT the "Toaster Scan" unit, aside from looking identical, then it will NOT work with a Toaster setup. System will just lock up. Ask how I know...
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I usually think 'insane' is when it sells for more than the new price. US$1000 is *less* than I paid for my CyberStorm PPC, and they are all the same age, so I'd say a grand for a PPC is a steal! I'd love to return mine for full price, buy the exact same thing for $1000, and pocket the difference, any day of the week!
But I only paid a couple of hundred for my external FF/SD, so I'd have to agree that this is quite insane.
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I think this auction proves my theory that old time Amiga users are getting senior jobs now and money is not an issue for them anymore ... (unlike me :-P )
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As far as new units are concerned it's all talk / rumors / ideas at this point and as we all know we probably shouldn't hold our breath for new items.
Here (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=47197) and here (http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4097&start=40#56443)
While I agree that the price of certain items is going a little higher (PPC cards for OS4 being an obvious and understandable example) it's definitely not true in every case. Most of the time scandoublers sell for between $150 - $300. (And as an aside, $350 for an Apollo 1260 card is about what they've been worth for 10 years now...)
The ebay market on this stuff fluctuates quite a bit, and I guarantee only a very few would pay more than $200 - $300 for an Indivision. Only a fool would pay more when they can easily be had for far less. $900 could _easily_ get you an RGB -> component converter and nice multi-region LCD.
Yes, there are some "wild" examples now and again, but as a rule ebay prices haven't changed too drastically over the last several years (aside from the PPC cards).
This thread kind of reminds me of the BMW R-bike circle... one guy cuts a fat pig, and all of a sudden everyone thinks their rotting 80's POS is a precious jewel worth 5 times what it actually is...
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Still not holding my breath! :lol:
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amigan24 wrote:
Still not holding my breath! :lol:
Who cares? Get an RGB -> component converter and a nice LCD right now, buy the $65 scandoubler later and still pocket a few hundred :lol:
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More mad prices for an Indivision:
that's my Indivision you are referring to, like I said earlier in the thread it's one of many things that I am to put out soon.
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PLEASE! Can someone state if the INDIVISION SCANDOUBLER is compatible with Scandoublers called TOASTSCAN??
I have no experience with Toasters and someone is asking this question on my auction. The person asking thinks he has found evidence that it is, but I need to be sure because i've put Toastscan in my auction text.
Also, I suspect the high price of the external scandoublers is just because of this, some people need it for their Toaster systems and will pay accordingly to get it.
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This IS the toastscan unit, reproduced in 2002 by Schönfeld: This particular scandoubler was originally called the ToastScan (http://www.softhut.com/cgi-bin/test/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=catalog/hardware/accelerators/apollo_scandoublers.html&cart_id=262311_5194) and was sold by SoftHut (who no-longer have any) and then remade in 2002 by Jens Schoenfeld of Individual computing, renaming it Indivision.
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I had a dream last night and came up with a solution for these flicker-fixers selling at such a high price and upsetting many people around here. This solution would help the people desiring a FF and also the people upset and fretting over the high prices. Here's my solution: If all of the people here on the Org who have external FF's would all list them on EBay with a starting bid of .99 it would flood the market and the theory of supply and demand would drive the selling prices way down. Everybody would be happy!! The people wanting one would get a low fair price and the people selling them would be happy that they aren't selling for insane prices! Of course you all know where this is going. Most owners of FF's who use them every day don't want to sell them at any price. If they did there would be more than 1 on EBay at the moment. Even the people who wouldn't mind selling high and buying low don't feel like going through the next 6 months, 1 year, 2 year or even longer waiting for the prices to drop. They want their FF NOW!! If they use their Amiga every day they don't want to go through a long period of time looking at their screens flicker. I wouldn't dream of selling my PIV for $900. To get it you would have to pry it from my cold dead hands!
Dan :evil:
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dannyp1 wrote:
... don't want to go through a long period of time looking at their screens flicker. I wouldn't dream of selling my PIV for $900. To get it you would have to pry it from my cold dead hands!
You have a good point there. I built up my A1200 to have a portable machine, and the FF/SD means I can use a FlatPanel LCD monitor. No way would I sell it and go back to lugging a 1084 around!!