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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: djkoelkast on March 24, 2008, 05:05:08 PM
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Please start reading from this post:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=35420
As what's in this first post already has been resolved. Thanks.
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After a long time I decided to reinstall my Amiga 4000 as the original harddrive doesn't work anymore.
Unfotunatly I'm unable to find all disks that came with it so I'm a little stuck now.
What I've managed to do is:
Boot install 3.1 and setup the 1st partition of the harddisk, format it and install WB 3.1
Downloaded the drivers for the Cyberstorm/Cyberscsi that is in my A4000 and installed them.
So far so good, it also comes with CDFS on the disk. When I run the SCSI utility it recognises the CD-ROM drive but I can't get it to work, although CD0: is mounted (but on CLI it can't find it), it does react to EJECT, START and STOP from this tool.
How can I get the CD-ROM to work in order to install OS 3.9
Any help is welcome! Thanks!
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OK, here we go I would have to belive you might have some kind of conflict with your scsi controller. Check that out first termination ect.
I have had many miggy's and they all have their on problems ie.. A4000D,A3000D,A2000D and A500. I also have had a MK III cyberstorm and that was nice in my A4000. I had many config problems with that 4000 ;so I sold it.
I would test the cdrom out also but most likely it is good. Check to see where all your drives are on the scsi chain and you can check each drive by disconnecting it from the others.If all you have is the cdrom on the scsi and the hard drive on IDE then you should not have any problem.What drives do you have on each controller?
CDFS could also be the problem I can't remember but I do recall having some problems getting cd's to read and drive to mount.Check your user start up and you should see the mounting script in it.
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Fond it, IDEFix does the job (I thought this was only for IDE).
So now getting the stuff to install, when I run into something new I'll let you know.
By the way: is it possible to install OS 3.9 directly over WB 3.1? When I try INSTALLER it says it can't find a disk with 40MB free and RAM doesn't work...
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When I try INSTALLER it says it can't find a disk with 40MB free and RAM doesn't work...
You are using Amithlon (AmigaOSXL). That's for PC only.
Get a real Amiga OS 3.9 CD. It will allow you to create a boot disk with which you don't even need 3.1 any more. You can install 3.9 directly on an empty partition.
Bye,
Thomas
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Hmm ok, actually the install of 3.9 went OK until the harddisk went broken, but I have some spare ones.
I do have the original 3.5 and 3.9 disks, but as all my other disks they're lost and I already spent 2 days searching :(
This is really annoying as it also has original (legal) registered versions of MUI, iBrowse, Miami Deluxe, MagicWB and so on. Really good software I got with this A4000, but I have no clue where those disks are.
So I have to do with what I have stored on the pc...
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Finally managed to find my OS 3.9 CD, this is the correct one.
So I formatted the harddrive, installed 3.1 but then it crashes. When I remove the startup-sequence lines about addbuffers on df0: and failat 21 and the other line then it boots fine.
So I installed IDEFix, it also works fine.
Booted up, loaded the installation of OS 3.9 and made the Emergency disk.
When I boot the Emergency disk it crashes (black screen, stops loading, after a while a guru appears).
So then I decided to install 3.9 from the cd while in 3.1, but the same result: booting lets it crash. Booting with no startup-sequence does work, but it can't find certain libraries (like workbech v44) to startup certain tools (like amidock).
Is this because of all the stuff that's in the Amiga and has no drivers installed yet?
There is a Cyberstorm + CyberSCSI MKII installed with an 68060, Multifacecard III, Ariadne II, Cybervision64 and a whole lot of memory (about 8mb or 16mb on the motherboard itself in 1 module and 128mb on the Cyberstorm).
Any ideas?
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Anybody who can help me out?
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Have you tried installing it without all those expansions?
I imagine that they certainly could be the source of problems, but not having a 4000 I couldn't say for sure. It certainly won't hurt your system to try a barebones install, then add each card one at a time.
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That was actually the last thing to try, maybe I should install some drivers on 3.1 first before upgrading to 3.9?
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So I formatted the harddrive, installed 3.1 but then it crashes. When I remove the startup-sequence lines about addbuffers on df0: and failat 21 and the other line then it boots fine.
Do not remove anything from startup-sequence ! Delete 68040.library from the libs directory and install the libraries which came with your 68060 board.
Then make a new emergency disk and make sure that the 060 libraries are copied to it.
Get the latest libs from here: http://powerup.amigaworld.de/index.php?lang=en&page=13
Bye,
Thomas
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That site doesn't contain any drivers for my cards, so I guess I can pick them from here:
http://amiga.resource.cx/expansion.html
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That site doesn't contain any drivers for my cards
It does. The very first file, "System Disk" is for all Phase5 and DCE 060 accelerators.
Your link only has very old versions. And if you compare, it has the same versions for MK2 and MK3/PPC.
Bye,
Thomas
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Ok I got it and now everything worked fine except for lots of write errors on my harddisk on certain blocks. I don't understand why, maybe the harddisk is too fast? It's a 80GB 7200rpm IDE drive. I only used the 1st 4GB so far as Work: drive.
Or is this harddisk just broken?
When I press Retry I don't get the error again, but later it comes back on another block.
I'm thinking about building in a 2,5" harddisk with a converter cable as this doesn't take as much space, makes less noise (because I don't have to cool it) and keeps cooler.
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Try to reduce the MaxTransfer value for all partitions. (HDToolbox / Partition Drive / Change...) Try 0x1fe00 and if it still fails, try 0xfe00.
Try to increase the number of buffers for each partition (HDToolbox / Partition Drive / bottom left). Use 25 buffers per 100 MB, but not less than 80.
Try to increase the file system block size of each partition (HDToolbox / Partition Drive / Change... / right side). Try 1024 or 2048 bytes per block. Note that you have to reformat the partition after changing the block size.
Bye,
Thomas
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At least I now have a good Emergency disk, so reformatting is no problem.
I'll try this but I guess doing this every time will cost a lot of time. First MaxTransfer, reformat, reinstall, if it fails the next thing..
So I guess I can do the three things in once?
Thanks!
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Do one at a time. Only the block size change needs reformatting, the other changes are non-destructive. The MaxTransfer change should already cure the problem. The buffers change should be done anyway, because it increases speed and stability (but also memory consumption).
When talking about formatting, quick is sufficient, you don't need a full format. So it shouldn't take such a long time. I just wanted to warn that all files are lost, so you should make a backup before this last change (or be prepared to reinstall).
Doubling the block size will increase the speed again, but it also increases wasted disk space and it dramatically increases memory consumption by buffers. (Memory needed is number of buffers * block size.)
Bye,
Thomas
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When I change anything it doesn't accept the new settings.
For example:
I go into HDToolBox, change the MaxTransfer, click Ok, click Ok, Save changes to drive is grayed out. Same when I try to add the buffers.
As the partition is 4096 MB I calculated 1024 buffers (4096 / 100) * 25 and again, when I do this Save changes to drive is grayed out.
I removed all partitions and made new ones: the same happens. Everytime I click on Partition drive the values are set back to what they were before.
So I can't seem to make the changes?
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Unlike Windows, on AmigaOS you have to press Return or Tab whenever you enter something into a text field.
Why do you still use the OS 3.1 HDToolbox ? You should boot from the emergency disk and use the new HDToolbox. It will take your input without pressing enter.
Bye,
Thomas
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Because HDToolBox from the Emergency disk crashes (suspend/reboot).
I haven't worked for a while with my Amiga so I forget this stuff ;) Thanks, I'll try again and learn ;)
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Ok, it worked! No write errors anymore and it boots into 3.9 right away now, however (you knew this was gonna come ;) ) f.e. Amidock crashes at boot:
Program Failed (errpr #80000004)
Wait for disk activity to finish.
Suspend - Reboot
I also get this on other tools like format. Others just refuse to start at all, like HDToolBox.
I have the drivers for my videocard installed, I have the 68060.library (and got rid of the 68040.library) from the website you told me.
I don't know what could be wrong now...again :(
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By the sound of that errorcode it can be anything between poor RAM connection (give them a little wiggle), semi-attached HDD cables (give them a push), to overheating the 68060 (ouch!). Or redundant/bum driver software (possibly Amithlon drivers). Instability with random gurus is often caused by hardware problems.
So take some time to check out the usual suspects. That bundle of expansion cards does not exactly help your situation since each and every one can cause the havoc. Remove everything you don't need to boot + get visual and see if it works (Amiga+arrow keys get you basic mouse control). Also, the order of driver activation may be significant so try shuffle those around.
If AmiDock prevents you from doing anything then use ctrl-c to abort the startup. Then move AmiDock from the autostart directory. At command line: rename "sys:autostart/AmiDock" "sys:storage/AmiDock" or whatever path applies (memory fails me).
Also, if you only have one large 80GB WB partition - or the WB partition isn't <2GB and first in line - then the answer to your problems is simple.
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And, oh, I forgot to mention one major culprit: stack. Some stuff needs a big load of stack or else the Amiga will guru at any given point. It's a nightmare to sort out a stack problem though. Try booting without anything in the autostart and not running any apps. Run around like a squirrel in the shell and see if it remains stable or not. If it does remain stable then it's probably a stack related issue.
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WB partition is 4GB as that was what HDTB suggested.
I got rid of the Amithlon stuff, just did a full format.
So you suggest I make my 1st partition about 1GB? I'll try it tomorrow. No problems with formatting 100 times, as long as the outcome is good.
BTW: Thomas I love your avatar, as I'm a big fan of Clever & Smart (which are called Paling & Ko here ;-))
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4GB is probably ok if it's the suggested size. One half of the users claims 2GB is the safe limit and the other that 4GB should work - in theory. I havn't bothered getting hands-on experience in the subject for obvius reasons.
Personally I'm using 256MB - wize from prior experience with lack of storage capasity. In essence: don't put yourself in the spot where you need to shuffle stuff to the WB partitions free 3.9GB.
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f.e. Amidock crashes at boot:
Program Failed (errpr #80000004)
Wait for disk activity to finish.
Suspend - Reboot
I also get this on other tools like format. Others just refuse to start at all, like HDToolBox.
Sometimes it means your install misses something in Classes:Gadgets. Make a comparison between your install and the OS 3.9 CD. I did have that problem.
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Hmmm deleted the partitions and made 1 partition of 1GB (1019mb) and set the values as said by Thomas, but the write errors are back, I'll try it again, but it's strange. Also HDToolBox from the Emergency Toolbox crashes with the 80000004 error...
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Perhaps you should try the older versions of 68060.library from amiga.resource.cx.
Bye,
Thomas
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AmigaOS 3.9 FAQ (http://www.gregdonner.org/os39faq/installtips.html)
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Well well, reinstalling is a LOT less easy than I thought. Now with the new settings and 1GB the write errors are gone but my Install 3.1 disk gives an error (c:version failed) and still AmiDock crashes and I can't use a lot of stuff because it simply does never start.
I really think these are driver related issues but it seems like it's going to take a lot of effort to get it all right...
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So I reinstalled 3.1 *again* with the 68060 and 68040 libraries and made a new Emergency disk. Now everything worked fine, also stuff from the OS 3.9 CD that didn't work before.
So I went on to install the Cybergraphics drivers, fine too (nice sharp image at 800x600) but when I boot from the Emegency disk, double click on the Amiga OS 3.9 CD, double click on the folder which contains the installer and then it crashes: everything hangs. Even the mouse doesn't respond.
Maybe the video drivers?