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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Amithony on March 23, 2008, 12:57:19 PM
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Has anyone had a chance to take both of these babies for a spin? If so, which did you prefer?
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Depends on your Version of Real 3D. The older the version, the easier it was to use.
Lightwave has always been easier to use than Real3D for me. But then we all have different views! ;-)
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Kin-Hell wrote:
Depends on your Version of Real 3D. The older the version, the easier it was to use.
Lightwave has always been easier to use than Real3D for me. But then we all have different views! ;-)
Love the specs on your machine. How much did it cost you to deck out? Im leaning toward lightwave at the moment.
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Thanks for the Love on the Rigs m8y but RE the cost getting here, I might have an understanding life sucking b1tch for a partner who gets me a cold one from the Fridge once in a while, but I`d be a dead man several times over if shew knew exactly what I`ve spent over the years. She`s not Blonde & far from it, but I keep her as "Blonde" as possible when it comes to Computer gear. I guess an honest answer is, "Too much tbh"
I have 3 Big Box Miggys here & one of them & the Tower are going to have to go. This is also in line with Debs "un-blonding" herself asking why I need 3 Amigas? I started running out of Ideas after I filled the G-Rex 4000D & then filled another Towered A4KD with a Toaster/Flyer/Sync arrangement. All 3 boxes are running PPC 604e's & one of them is on OS4, of a fasion!
RE Lightwave, my experience with it is somewhat limited. I am traditionally an Imagine 3.0 guy on the Miggy, but it`s years since I did anything with it really. Had some work published in Amiga Format back in the early 90's & done nothing since the Divorce went through back in '94.
I guess I just became an Amiga Hardware Whore over the years! :crazy:
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LOL. I appreciate the predicament. You should really only have 1 true love (Amiga) :P It does mean girlfriend and im sure you can write a script for it to kickstart a robotic arm or conveyor to get the beer. :) Else, I was going to suggest a beer fridge local to the machine...(cooling purposes of course :) Let me know if you need it (the a4000) to go to a good home in beautiful Sydney Australia when you get to that stage.
I imagine it will be a time yet, but when I get my first bonus, I'll be shopping big. Please keep me in the loop. What price would you consider? Feel free to be liberal with a guestimate. :)
PS: I pay in GBP too :)
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Kin-Hell wrote:
This is also in line with Debs "un-blonding" herself asking why I need 3 Amigas?
Just tell her you are building a computing cluster and NEED at least 16 amigas.
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That was the excuse I was throwing around. I need one for the wireframes, one for the shading, one for general use and one for spare parts... oh and did i mention that I was going to use my idle processor time in the SETI program. Maybe the aliens have A5000's with a AAA chipset, they are pretty advanced you know ;)
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I have considered a couple of Showcase sales, but probably wouldn`t get their true value. I expect the Rigs will be broken up eventually. I am doing a Library of Photos of all my Amiga Stuff here. It`s taking longer than I expected!
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I've spent £100s on both Imagine and LightWave. For me, the ease of use and the sheer power of LightWave make it the best 3D application on the platform. I dabbled with an early Real3D coverdisk, but didn't like it much. And Imagine was very cumbersome, with six different interfaces if I remember right. However, Imagine was the one that got me into the whole 3D thing. The coverdisk started it and I was hooked. LightWave cost ten times the price of Imagine at the time, so it was out of reach. Much later, I managed to get one second hand complete with the dongle. Imagine was immediately forgotten. In my opinion LightWave 5 on the Amiga is for more useable than Imagine will ever be. I also think Imagine produces less 'natural' looking renders. I could always tell an Imagine render in the mags, but LightWave images can be truely photorealistic. Depends on what you do with them I guess.
JaX
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So what was their True value? :) Don't count on not selling it at value though. If it were up, id be contacting my credit card company to double my limit. It breaks the heart to see such good machines taken to pieces. At least until production starts on the AAA some day :)
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Gents,
I've had several Amiga rigs of high quality. The instant I could run lightwave on a cheaper and faster PC I ran lightwave on PC and used the Amiga for editing and playback, even though I had "fast" 060 PPC setup.
You can pikcup a $500 pc these days that will run lightwave so much better than the Amiga ever could.
Even from a tinkerer hobbyist standpoint. The $$ amount of electricity used to run that Amiga rig over time vs. 3D rendered output just doesn't add up.
Now if you're tinkering and collecting, that's one thing. But from a business sense it didn't add up using Amigas for Lightwave3d from about 1995 on. I figure a hobbyist could stretch use to 1998 or so.
But having to chose, LIGHTWAVE on the Amiga is really the best solution. I tried Imagine and wasted to much time trying to replicate what lightwave did with much less fuss.
The most robust 3d on the platform. Great results. The biggest kicker is the slow 040 renders.
What took a week 24/7 to render on an AMIGA 3000 takes 5 hours or less on a crappy $400 wal mart pc.
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@Kin-Hell or anyone
Regarding the LianLi PC75 and the A4KT, is that a 7 or 8 slot case? Do all the slots line up? I have an A4000T that really needs a nice case. Currently it's in an ugly old server case without the top on:-). So, what is the best case for the A4KT motherboard these days? Some modifications acceptable of course as long as I don't have to rebuild the entire backplate.
-Sorry to hi-jack your 3D thread, I'll be ducking now:-D
-Jeff
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as far it concerns the real3d and lightwave versions released on the amiga lightwave is a little limited but semiprofessional quality rendering software (i would tell the same of the todays pc versions). the interface is very easy, so to say american, and it is completely no problem to start with, while to do animations more complicated than some starships flying by (for instance character rigging and such) could be pain in the a**. but anyways its easier to get something usful done in lw than in maya or i believe in softimage. 3dstudio could be concurrent in these therms but all of my friends doing 3d imaging today use maxon cinema 4d that originates also from the amiga.
real3d in amiga version is very interresting and flexible program although with an unusual and difficult interface that is quite outdated today. it has a lot of unusual features build in like collision detection, splines, solids... it should be possible to accomplish with it things that modern software is maybe not capable of (like axionometric rendering). real for amiga is freely released to the public. you can find it on amikit page if im not mistaken
bye
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Even from a tinkerer hobbyist standpoint. The $$ amount of electricity used to run that Amiga rig over time vs. 3D rendered output just doesn't add up.
I'm not so sure about that, these 64bit processors use up to 130w for the processor alone whilst the whole PC probably has a PSU supplying a minimum of 500watts.
Most of that power is turned into heat, not MIPS.
On the other hand a 1200 uses a 23watt psu. and since PCs are never turned off, the Amiga is better for the Environment.
And in the future its performance can be bolstered by an FPGA to possibly match or outperform the PC.
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lightwave always seemed to produce more realistic renders than Imagine ever did, and is easier to use. I got started with the original real 3d which was simple and fun to use, but later versions are too complicated. But I have a copy of Amiga Cinema4d and this is the easiest to use on the amiga as i think it has a very Amiga-like interface. It does some stupid things like not letting you map textures cubically though. i have version 5 of C4D for PC off a cover cd and this is much better and flies on my Amd X2 5000 Pc
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Yeah, but the Best way to Ray Trace is Wire-Frame on the Miggy & then Real Time Texture Rendering on Screamers! :-D
@ A6000
LOL, she just aint that "Blonde" m8y! :lol:
@ Jeff
The LianLi PC75 is a 7 Slot Alluminium case with Side Window.
The A4KT mobo RGB card lines up perfectly with the Top Slot on the PC75's back plane. The SCSI card fouls tho` & a simple Nick on the backplane allows it to fit & hang out of the Vertical Pee Cee I/O Plate Window. I have a pattern drawn up ready to make an Entire Rear Plate for the Case, It`s just a matter of getting round to it! ;-)
Rest of the cards fit a treat Inc Mediator PCI cards, though you need a spacer to secure to Backplane.
OT: @ Amithony
Looks like Lightwave has the edge all round so far. :-)
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bringing back this old thread!
anyone know how I can reach JaXanim ? I've sent him an email from his waveguide site and pm on this site with no luck