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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Discolata on August 05, 2003, 10:29:18 PM
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Hello people :) These days I am really thinking of bulding a PC which will work as an Amiga Like Box. Let me share my thought with you. I am gonna built a Computer based on 815 chipset, Celeron 533MHz, 256MB SDRAM, 1GB HD and ATI Rage 128 Pro graphics Card. It is gonna be an Amiga experiment. I have Amithlon and I have downloaded Aros. What you think that is gonna be the best emulation? I have also the idea to boot in Windows and load WinUAE ar Amiga In A Box and then Amiga is Real :) Thanx in advance :)
P.S. I want a machine stable with no Windows.....or Linux...like Amiga used to be. With internet, some applications and of course if it is possible access to my ADF disks...
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Install AROS (no need for Lunx or windows)... enjoy :)
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I hope the 815 based system is something you
are putting together from spare parts. A
440BX despite the lack of official 133fsb support
is probably the finest intel chipset ever released
until recently. Again, if you are working with
2nd hand parts, it doesn't really matter. I have
heard good things about Amithlon, but WinUAE
is certainly more mature. I can't give you
any info on AROS, would like to know more
myself. Good luck, sounds like an admirable
project.
C Snyder
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Is there any compatibility between Aros and Amiga software? And WinUAE port to Aros? I think that Aros is under development..is it stable?
Edit : Thanx BillChase :) Yes it will be a nice project!
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Discolata wrote:
Is there any compatibility between Aros and Amiga software? And WinUAE port to Aros? I think that Aros is under development..is it stable?
Edit : Thanx BillChase :) Yes it will be a nice project!
AROS is fully source compatible.
AROS has a working UAE (so you can run your 68k apps)
An AROS developer has started work on an integrated 68k emualtor that will allow "transparent" emualtion of 68K apps in the AROS environment...
But AROS is designed for speed over compatibility with 68k.
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"working UAE" sounds good, but no JIT and no bsdsocket I asume :)
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P.S. I want a machine stable with no Windows.....or Linux...like Amiga used to be. With internet, some applications and of course if it is possible access to my ADF disks...
Personally I'd just slap Amithlon on it then. (I've not been able to get AROS going, as much as I'd like to have a looksee - so I can't comment on it at the moment).
And if you don't want Windows, then I wouldn't bother with WinUAE either. If you were dead certain on using UAE, I'm pretty sure there is one that runs under Amithlon -- or you can run UAE under Linux.
Sure you said you don't really want linux on there, but seeing how Amithlon (kinda sorta) boots from a linux partition anyways -- may as well put it to some kind of use.
I have 'Old Clunker' that I use around the place - I have it dual boot Linux and Amithlon and it runs pretty good.. Under the linux side of things I've pared it down to what I want, and run AmiWM with a 'Amiga Workbench' screen running UAE on startup..
Siggy.
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@discolata
Buy a Pegasos and run MorphOS. 8)
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downix wrote:
@discolata
Buy a Pegasos and run MorphOS. 8)
AMEN !!!!@ :-D
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billchase wrote:
I hope the 815 based system is something you
are putting together from spare parts. A
440BX despite the lack of official 133fsb support
is probably the finest intel chipset ever released
until recently.
The SDRAM addressing limitations of the BX are really starting to show these days, and the ability to cheaply add more RAM will give you more 'performance' (especially under 'bloated' OSes... and under lighter OSes, you generally can't swap, anyway, so if you want to run anything large you'll *need* that memory) than any 'minor' chipset differences.
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AROS has a working UAE (so you can run your 68k apps)
Where do you download UAE for AROS X86-32 edition?
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Well thanx for your help. I am test Amithlon and AROS to see which is best...:)
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Discolata wrote:
Well thanx for your help. I am test Amithlon and AROS to see which is best...:)
Don't forget to tell us how you get on... the AROS team needs feed back in order to make it better :-)
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Hello Amigans:) My Amiga-like box is complete in a hardware way...ehmmm there are many things to do ;) I changed my hardware plans due to an accident. I was trying to install the cpu cooler (Celeron 533MHz with an Vantec 3000RPM ) to the Socket 370 and for God's shake I broke MSI's plastic clip of the socket. I have installed cpus over 1000 times....bad luck....I use Asus Socket 7 mainboard with ALi chipset (yes the one with 512KB cache----very old days) with a Pentium 100MHz (lol) a Matrox graphics card (AGP), 384MB SDRAM PC100, Quantum 2.5GB HD, Philips CD ROM 6x and a Chieftek 360W PSU. I use Amithlon and not AROS (dont know why....I love Amithlon) make a 2.5G partition and install Amiga OS 3.9 on it. The system is runnins smoothly with not very good response but....I have Amiga OS 3.9 on my Samsung 17" TFT 1024x768 resolution :) :) :) I will try internet and local networking and soon I will change the hardware with a Duron / Athlon XP and a KT333 mainboard. I am very happy with my Box...I painted and old Midi Tower Black and I i will install everything in it. I am looking for software for Amithlon..Is there any compatibility list? Aminet? UAE for Amithlon exists? Thanx for your help:)
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@ billchase
I have a 440BX chipet with 133 FSB support... running a P3-866 on it quite nicely...
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i440BX does not offer 133MHz Official support - only 66 and 100MHz...of course it can handle 133MHZ plus plus FSB but your AGP and PCI buses are overclocked...Some BX boards keep PCI at 33MHz while FSB is set to 133MHZ which is a must if u don't want HD corruptions...Your AGP bus runs at 89MHz abit higher than 66MHz official speed...BUT almost every graphics card can cope with 89MHz AGP:)
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Hi all,
Reading this thread got me thinking, whilst I'm uprgrading the A2000, I could use my machine like this.
Where can I get Amiathon, I know about Aros but as it's not anywhere near finished I would prefer the other one.
What hardware do they use? can I use a laptop or is the hardware dependancy to bad for that?
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trauma_UK wrote:
Hi all,
Reading this thread got me thinking, whilst I'm uprgrading the A2000, I could use my machine like this.
Where can I get Amiathon, I know about Aros but as it's not anywhere near finished I would prefer the other one.
What hardware do they use? can I use a laptop or is the hardware dependancy to bad for that?
Amithlon is ilegal :-( (your best bet is UAE on Linux).
AROS is free, and it will work on your laptop.
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If thats the case, why are so many people using it?
Not arguing, just curious.
OK, I'll try Aros and let you all know how I get on.
:-)
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I also tried to build my Amithlon machine out of a Celeron 366 Mhz with SB128 sound and GeForce II MX 400 64 Mb PCI. I'm missing a network card with the rtl8039chipset though ... nevertheless the system works perfect with 384 Mb Fast Ram and 8 Mb Chip Ram. But, from the moment that I start to play a game on an original cd with gfx card support I get problems. It simply won't work. Don't know why. I do need to install MUI but don't think it has got to do with games not working. I know that AGA support is not exactly present so I try only games with RTG ....
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trauma_UK wrote:
If thats the case, why are so many people using it?
Not arguing, just curious.
OK, I'll try Aros and let you all know how I get on.
:-)
If you bought Amithlon when Bernie was being paid for it, then it is legal :-) ... any copies sold now are illegal (Since Bernie is not being paid) :-(
AROS is fun :-)
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Buy a Pegasos and run MorphOS.
You got it wrong the qestion was what to run amithlon or aros on a pc. not buy a new system. :-?
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Amithlon is ilegal
but it is sold buy hartge and partner and power computing as a legal product therefore i would buy it. :-o
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amigamad wrote:
Amithlon is ilegal
but it is sold buy hartge and partner and power computing as a legal product therefore i would buy it. :-o
Then it depends if you feel Bernie should be paid for his product or not.
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Discolata wrote:
Hello people :) These days I am really thinking of bulding a PC which will work as an Amiga Like Box. Let me share my thought with you. I am gonna built a Computer based on 815 chipset, Celeron 533MHz, 256MB SDRAM, 1GB HD and ATI Rage 128 Pro graphics Card. It is gonna be an Amiga experiment. I have Amithlon and I have downloaded Aros. What you think that is gonna be the best emulation? I have also the idea to boot in Windows and load WinUAE ar Amiga In A Box and then Amiga is Real :) Thanx in advance :)
Just a reminder to anyone building a PC for Amithlon : make sure of compatibility first. There is lots and lots of hardware that will not work at all or will only work poorly with Amithlon.
My sixty-second guide to compatibility is :
CPUs: Pretty much anything except oddballs like the VIA C3 or Transmeta Crusoe. Pentium 4s work, but are not a good choice.
Chipsets: Intel Slot-1 or S-370 chipsets are okay, as are the VIA KX-133 and KT-133. The KT266/333/400 work, but only do hard disk DMA with my beta kernel.
Graphics: Matrox G-series and nVidia TNT/GeForce cards are the only ones that work fully. GeForce 4s require my beta kernel to work. Cards like the Voodoo 3/4/5, ATI Rage, ATI Radeon, S3 Savage and SiS stuff either don't work or will only give you a slow 60Hz 640x480 screen.
Sound: VIA AC'97 audio (KX133/KT133), SoundBlaster 128 (ES1371/1373/5880 chips only) are supported by default. The latest AHI build adds a SoundBlaster Live driver.
Network: NICs based on RealTek RTL8029 and 8139D chips only.
The Amithlon, AmithlonOpen and AmithlonDev lists on YahooGroups are very good sources for more information.
--
Gary "Dr Bombcrater" Colville
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or buy an amigaone and run os4, whenever its finished..
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I thought the RTL8139 wouldn't work, at least not with the Amithlon cd that I have. Used to have such a network card in my pc but couldn't access the net with it ... :-?
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I thought the RTL8139 wouldn't work, at least not with the Amithlon cd that I have. Used to have such a network card in my pc but couldn't access the net with it ...
You can get a driver at http://www.chez.com/titan/OpenPciUK.html.
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I was thinking of doing something very simular (but I'd have to use new parts as I haven't got access to 2nd hand). But I saw a cheap shuttle design thet took Socket 370 and had six channel sound, tv out etc. and a celeron 1.4Ghz. (£170 inc VAT + Delivery) Should give it enough zip. I've been looking for a settop type box to play DVDs, MP3 and Digital TV solution and emulate Amiga stuff. Seemed quite good only I heard the Shuttles make a lot of noise so wouldn't be a good under my TV!
Now I'm interested in iTX. And I might not have to get a PC box after all...roll on the Amiga One Lite!
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Not to sure about other Shuttle boxes, but my SB51, Pentium 4 case is reasonably quiet. It's on all the time and in the front room too!!!!!
They run using a heat pipe instead of a standard heatsink and fan, search on www.google.com for more info.
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Mine runs on a humble Celeron 366 Mhz and I don't seem to have any problems yet ....